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Post by foghornsgleghorn on Sept 8, 2022 11:28:51 GMT
Quoting worldwide profits is as much nonsense as those people who quote sales figures and tax for the likes of Amazon, but its good to see thanks to the net zero push we are not only increasing prices by cutting supply, we also pay towards the cost of helping to drive the price up but yeah build more windmills thats the solution..... Green energy is not the issue here. Johnson was correct for once in saying it is the way forward.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Sept 8, 2022 11:33:15 GMT
Right am I being abit thick here🤔🤣Is the £2500 cap or £2100 with £400 off the total amount we’ll pay for both Gas and Electric or £2500 for each?
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Post by yeokel on Sept 8, 2022 11:34:15 GMT
Quoting worldwide profits is as much nonsense as those people who quote sales figures and tax for the likes of Amazon, but its good to see thanks to the net zero push we are not only increasing prices by cutting supply, we also pay towards the cost of helping to drive the price up but yeah build more windmills thats the solution..... "... but yeah build more windmills thats the solution.." Well, it IS part of the solution. Only a fool would think otherwise.
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Sept 8, 2022 11:36:49 GMT
Right am I being abit thick here🤔🤣Is the £2500 cap or £2100 with £400 off the total amount we’ll pay for both Gas and Electric or £2500 for each? "Truss said the average household would save £1,000 in total from October because of the price reduction, added on top of the £400 discount previously announced under Boris Johnson."
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Sept 8, 2022 11:38:11 GMT
Right am I being abit thick here🤔🤣Is the £2500 cap or £2100 with £400 off the total amount we’ll pay for both Gas and Electric or £2500 for each? "Truss said the average household would save £1,000 in total from October because of the price reduction, added on top of the £400 discount previously announced under Boris Johnson." Yes I heard that mate but is that the total amount for both Gas and Electric combined or for each one individually?
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Post by Gob Bluth on Sept 8, 2022 11:38:59 GMT
Right am I being abit thick here🤔🤣Is the £2500 cap or £2100 with £400 off the total amount we’ll pay for both Gas and Electric or £2500 for each? From listening to what Truss has said I think it's £2,500 with the extra £400 off where the £2,500 limit is combined. That's how I've taken it. Bit frustrating that the House of Commons seem more focussed on arguing whose fault it is rather than asking about details of the proposal.
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Post by dexter97 on Sept 8, 2022 11:39:01 GMT
Right am I being abit thick here🤔🤣Is the £2500 cap or £2100 with £400 off the total amount we’ll pay for both Gas and Electric or £2500 for each? The average will be £2,100 for all your energy for the next six months, but then £2,500 after that. Bear in mind that's the average though, not the maximum you can pay. If you're running a weed farm in your loft, it's likely to be much higher.
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Post by PotteringThrough on Sept 8, 2022 11:40:51 GMT
Right am I being abit thick here🤔🤣Is the £2500 cap or £2100 with £400 off the total amount we’ll pay for both Gas and Electric or £2500 for each? The average will be £2,100 for all your energy for the next six months, but then £2,500 after that. Bear in mind that's the average though, not the maximum you can pay. If you're running a weed farm in your loft, it's likely to be much higher. Tax free at the end of it all though…
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Post by andystokey on Sept 8, 2022 11:41:12 GMT
It's not easy to see how a price cap can work in a market that uses kerosene for many reasons. Heating oil users have no bill, no direct debit so unless she fixes the price per barrel (which she won't) it can't work. The only way to get those payments out to people is to give them a Heating allowance somehow. They can't use council tax, they might somehow put it in the electric bill but it can't be withdrawn to pay the oil supplier. I'd be fascinated to see how they can pay households for a mixture of biomass, heating oil or lpg. It's not an issue for Islington and not an issue for the shires because the Tories predominantly live in suburbia as you can see from this map. www.nongasmap.org.uk/I've basically just stocked up on jumpers. I’ve probably got 80% in my tank that will hopefully get me through the winter, unfortunately I have a condition whereby I feel the cold more, oh well top up in medication and suffer I suppose.. I've been monitoring mine for 2 months or so with only 30mins of hot water per day at 7am. What I have noticed it's impossible to get zero usage because my boiler fires up to keep healthy. Unless I actually turn the whole thing off and suffer the start up issues. I'm at £15 week on average with no heating and 30mins hot water. I don't think we can actually heat the house if the current price remains. I've managed to get a load of logs which I will top up with those long life wood briquettes. We will all decamp into one room if possible.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Sept 8, 2022 11:45:31 GMT
Right am I being abit thick here🤔🤣Is the £2500 cap or £2100 with £400 off the total amount we’ll pay for both Gas and Electric or £2500 for each? The average will be £2,100 for all your energy for the next six months, but then £2,500 after that. Bear in mind that's the average though, not the maximum you can pay. If you're running a weed farm in your loft, it's likely to be much higher. So at the minute we pay £128 Electric = £1536 per annum £110 Gas = 1320 per annum Total £2856 So is mine coming down then🤔😊
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Post by andystokey on Sept 8, 2022 11:51:17 GMT
The average will be £2,100 for all your energy for the next six months, but then £2,500 after that. Bear in mind that's the average though, not the maximum you can pay. If you're running a weed farm in your loft, it's likely to be much higher. So at the minute we pay £128 Electric = £1536 per annum £110 Gas = 1320 per annum Total £2856 So is mine coming down then🤔😊 I think it's an average householdsize. They will just fix the pp unit to some value that averages £2500. Bonkers but they work the average out by dividing all homes by the total domestic bill, even those not on gas hilariously.
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Post by swampmongrel on Sept 8, 2022 11:51:51 GMT
The average will be £2,100 for all your energy for the next six months, but then £2,500 after that. Bear in mind that's the average though, not the maximum you can pay. If you're running a weed farm in your loft, it's likely to be much higher. So at the minute we pay £128 Electric = £1536 per annum £110 Gas = 1320 per annum Total £2856 So is mine coming down then🤔😊 Depends on how much you use. If you’re below average you’ll pay less and vice versa. I think the costs per KWH are published.
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Post by Gob Bluth on Sept 8, 2022 11:52:51 GMT
It would be good to see if the energy companies helped out by producing offers if people reduce their usage. They're going to be struggling for supply and this would help wholesale prices. If there is an escalation in the war it's in Europe's interest that the governments are carrying as little debt as possible.
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Post by swampmongrel on Sept 8, 2022 11:53:41 GMT
Right am I being abit thick here🤔🤣Is the £2500 cap or £2100 with £400 off the total amount we’ll pay for both Gas and Electric or £2500 for each? The average will be £2,100 for all your energy for the next six months, but then £2,500 after that. Bear in mind that's the average though, not the maximum you can pay. If you're running a weed farm in your loft, it's likely to be much higher. It still amounts to a taxpayer subsidy for weed farms. Put that in your manifesto.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Sept 8, 2022 11:53:59 GMT
So at the minute we pay £128 Electric = £1536 per annum £110 Gas = 1320 per annum Total £2856 So is mine coming down then🤔😊 Depends on how much you use. If you’re below average you’ll pay less and vice versa. I think the costs per KWH are published. But the £2500 is the total for both? Not individual energy ie £2500 Gas and £2500 Electric?
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Post by dexter97 on Sept 8, 2022 11:54:10 GMT
The average will be £2,100 for all your energy for the next six months, but then £2,500 after that. Bear in mind that's the average though, not the maximum you can pay. If you're running a weed farm in your loft, it's likely to be much higher. So at the minute we pay £128 Electric = £1536 per annum £110 Gas = 1320 per annum Total £2856 So is mine coming down then🤔😊 The current average is £2,100, so you appear to be using about £750 worth more than the typical household. It could be that your direct debit is inflated above what it should be though, and you'll end-up in credit. Edit: Based on my DD, I'm currently paying £2,700. I've been tracking my usage very carefully for a few years now so I know that figure is bollocks, but the supplier wouldn't let me set my DD amount any lower.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Sept 8, 2022 11:55:31 GMT
So at the minute we pay £128 Electric = £1536 per annum £110 Gas = 1320 per annum Total £2856 So is mine coming down then🤔😊 The current average is £2,100, so you appear to be using about £750 worth more than the typical household. It could be that your direct debit is inflated above what it should be though, and you'll end-up in credit. Its called a Tumble Dryer mate and no hard towels🤣🤣
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Post by andystokey on Sept 8, 2022 12:03:04 GMT
Depends on how much you use. If you’re below average you’ll pay less and vice versa. I think the costs per KWH are published. But the £2500 is the total for both? Not individual energy ie £2500 Gas and £2500 Electric? Since war started in Feb I've had to buy £3000 of oil and I'm due a fill up, they can't retrospectively discount that can they? My current leccy DD is £180 increasing to £250 so I'm told. So I reckon £8000 on energy in 22 seems likely before Oct when this kicks in.
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Post by spitthedog on Sept 8, 2022 12:06:45 GMT
Right am I being abit thick here🤔🤣Is the £2500 cap or £2100 with £400 off the total amount we’ll pay for both Gas and Electric or £2500 for each? From listening to what Truss has said I think it's £2,500 with the extra £400 off where the £2,500 limit is combined. That's how I've taken it. Bit frustrating that the House of Commons seem more focussed on arguing whose fault it is rather than asking about details of the proposal. It's because it won't make a blind bit of difference to any of them. That's what we all need to realise and stop putting our faith in them.
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Sept 8, 2022 12:07:30 GMT
"Truss said the average household would save £1,000 in total from October because of the price reduction, added on top of the £400 discount previously announced under Boris Johnson." Yes I heard that mate but is that the total amount for both Gas and Electric combined or for each one individually? Combined. But to work out how much you will pay you need your usage - average cap figure is misleading.
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Post by dexter97 on Sept 8, 2022 12:08:30 GMT
So we’re not going to tax the energy companies any more. We’re not going to privatise them. The cost falls on us now and 20 years of paying it back. Tory wankers. Fancy that. A former accountant at Shell who doesn't want to tax them for obscene, unearned profits.
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Post by gawa on Sept 8, 2022 12:12:18 GMT
It's a fucking joke that's what it is.
Cunts like Jacob Rees Mogg with his Adams family offspring and big mansion will pay no more than 2.5k?
But someone like me living in a flat with my partner and alot less usage than the average household will save sweet fuck all? Because my usage wouldn't be over 2.5k anyway.
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Post by LL Cool Dave on Sept 8, 2022 12:18:07 GMT
What happens to the people that fixed at a daft monthly bill? Are they screwed now?
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Post by followyoudown on Sept 8, 2022 12:19:40 GMT
Quoting worldwide profits is as much nonsense as those people who quote sales figures and tax for the likes of Amazon, but its good to see thanks to the net zero push we are not only increasing prices by cutting supply, we also pay towards the cost of helping to drive the price up but yeah build more windmills thats the solution..... What about the tax breaks, where does that sit with you? Investment in the infrastructure is a bad idea, just keep giving them money to keep costs down seems like a great solution… The tax breaks being the cost of closing down drilling sites being allowed against tax just like the cost of opening drilling sites is ? Hardly a tax break to allow normal business expenditure to be allowed for tax, no different than tesco closing a store except much more expensive.
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Post by followyoudown on Sept 8, 2022 12:22:15 GMT
Quoting worldwide profits is as much nonsense as those people who quote sales figures and tax for the likes of Amazon, but its good to see thanks to the net zero push we are not only increasing prices by cutting supply, we also pay towards the cost of helping to drive the price up but yeah build more windmills thats the solution..... "... but yeah build more windmills thats the solution.." Well, it IS part of the solution. Only a fool would think otherwise. How's that worked out for Germany than look at what happens to the used non recyclable blades.....
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Post by andystokey on Sept 8, 2022 12:26:59 GMT
It's a fucking joke that's what it is. Cunts like Jacob Rees Mogg with his Adams family offspring and big mansion will pay no more than 2.5k? But someone like me living in a flat with my partner and alot less usage than the average household will save sweet fuck all? Because my usage wouldn't be over 2.5k anyway. That's not correct the statement said: A typical UK household will now pay no more than £2,500 a year on their energy bill for the next two years from 1 October This will be achieved through a new Energy Price Guarantee which limits the price suppliers can charge customers for units of gasIt's just a price per unit cap.
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Post by gawa on Sept 8, 2022 12:31:43 GMT
It's a fucking joke that's what it is. Cunts like Jacob Rees Mogg with his Adams family offspring and big mansion will pay no more than 2.5k? But someone like me living in a flat with my partner and alot less usage than the average household will save sweet fuck all? Because my usage wouldn't be over 2.5k anyway. That's not correct the statement said: A typical UK household will now pay no more than £2,500 a year on their energy bill for the next two years from 1 October This will be achieved through a new Energy Price Guarantee which limits the price suppliers can charge customers for units of gasIt's just a price per unit cap. Fair enough. But if it is capped by unit. Its still going to be those in the biggest houses, with the private pools and heated floors who save the most money. I doubt my energy usage comes anywhere near these millionaires. So if I use 1000 units and the price should be £1 per unit but is capped to 70p per unit. Then I save £300 But a wealthy person with a mansion may use 4x the amount as me usually. So I with this support they will save £1200. And then I'll face another fucking 20 years of austerity paying for the electric and gas of wealthy billionaires. I'd rather them do fuck all tbh if this is their solution.
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Post by andystokey on Sept 8, 2022 12:33:46 GMT
That's not correct the statement said: A typical UK household will now pay no more than £2,500 a year on their energy bill for the next two years from 1 October This will be achieved through a new Energy Price Guarantee which limits the price suppliers can charge customers for units of gasIt's just a price per unit cap. Fair enough. But if it is capped by unit. Its still going to be those in the biggest houses, with the private pools and heated floors who save the most money. I doubt my energy usage comes anywhere near these millionaires. So if I use 1000 units and the price should be £1 per unit but is capped to 70p per unit. Then I save £300 But a wealthy person with a mansion may use 4x the amount as me usually. So I with this support they will save £1200. And then I'll face another fucking 20 years of austerity paying for the electric and gas of wealthy billionaires. I'd rather them do fuck all tbh if this is their solution. I agree. I still can't get my head around how it can possibly work for me not on gas
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Post by OldStokie on Sept 8, 2022 12:34:36 GMT
According to Ofgem, the average household in the UK has 2.4 people living in it, and uses 8 kWh of electricity and 33 kWh of gas respectively, per day.
This works out as an average of 242 kWh of electricity and 1,000 kWh of gas per month, or 2,900 kWh of electricity and 12,000 kWh of gas each year.
If you use more than those amounts then your costs will be higher than the £2,500 price cap. If you use less than those amounts then you will pay less.
For most people, they will still continue to receive the £400 'rebate' that was sorted before now, but at the moment that rebate only applies to this winter.
For those on benefits, depending on which benefits they receive and on their age, they can receive up to £1500 in subsidies to help them through this winter and into next year.
The government is looking into how they will help those on oil and also how much they bail out industry and small businesses. They have said that small businesses will not pay more than what an average household pays in terms of the cost per unit of gas and leccy. However, for businesses, this will only last for six months with a review of the situation in 3 month's time. The businesses most targeted for help are those who are energy intensive such as food outlets etc. The rest is a hotchpotch and they've given very little detail what will happen to schools etc.
I would advise those who can, not to go back to how it used to be when we used to use energy profligately, but to try their best to use their energy as efficiently as possible. I'm already doing that, as, I'm sure, are most of you.
Hope this helps.
OS.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Sept 8, 2022 12:36:15 GMT
It's a fucking joke that's what it is. Cunts like Jacob Rees Mogg with his Adams family offspring and big mansion will pay no more than 2.5k? But someone like me living in a flat with my partner and alot less usage than the average household will save sweet fuck all? Because my usage wouldn't be over 2.5k anyway. That's not correct the statement said: A typical UK household will now pay no more than £2,500 a year on their energy bill for the next two years from 1 October This will be achieved through a new Energy Price Guarantee which limits the price suppliers can charge customers for units of gasIt's just a price per unit cap. I'm like you Andy and not on mains gas. Has it been established how they are going to separate out how much of the £2,500 average cap is going to be allocated towards electricity and how much is going to be allocated towards heating and cooking supplies? Regardless of the (so far) lack of help for, in your case oil and in my case lpg, if the entire (average) £2,500 cap gets allocated against just my electricity, then it won't help us in any way.
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