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Post by somersetstokie on Sept 17, 2021 13:19:49 GMT
Given the current commerciaL driver crisis, if you have a football team Managed by Jose Mourinho, who are they finding to "Park the Bus?"
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Post by foghornsgleghorn on Sept 17, 2021 17:08:45 GMT
I thought you'd been arguing for weeks that the shortage of truck drivers is very little to do with Brexit ? I can , however, certainly fully understand Brexiters feeling the need to find things to ease their consciences. What is this based on? I certainly don't feel any guilt- in fact, posts such as yours pushes me the other way 👍 Plus, where has MrCoke denied that Brexit is a contributory (but not sole) factor? For what it's worth on 7th Sep on the Brexit thread Coke wrote "Brexit has not created a lorry driver shortage, it will have contributed to it marginally." If you read my post above I did not say he denied it , merely that he he has argued "it is very little to do with Brexit" As for the guilt I should perhaps have signposted it as a bit of a light-hearted dig responding to Coke's comments about clear consciences.............
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Post by mrcoke on Sept 17, 2021 19:02:07 GMT
It appears that the race to the bottom as regards lorry drivers has been going on for some time in the EU. "decades in the making" www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/sep/17/empty-shelves-covid-brexit-britain-lorry-driversHopefully Brexit will trigger improved conditions for lorry drivers. We have been out of the EU a few months and the government have closed a tax avoidance issue and now operators are having to increase drivers wages. There will be a cost of course with increased prices, but our consciences will be eased by the knowledge that lorry drivers will be getting a better deal in life now we are out of the EU. I thought you'd been arguing for weeks that the shortage of truck drivers is very little to do with Brexit ? I can , however, certainly fully understand Brexiters feeling the need to find things to ease their consciences. That's OK. It's called irony.
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Post by partickpotter on Sept 19, 2021 5:40:20 GMT
McDonalds have got their milkshakes back on sale.
Hurrah!
Civilisation is safe once more.
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Post by peekay67 on Sept 19, 2021 5:53:39 GMT
Remember we are checking no lorries travelling from mainland Europe. Of course brexit is having an effect. There are driver shortages all over differing countries, but no empty shelves.
We will be back in the single market and customs union within a year. Whether the next government is Tory, or a coalition, they are going to have a hell of a job. Si much money has been lost it is not sustainable.
It does not really affect my life as I am lucky to be in a career where my lifestyle is not affected.
One thing for sure. This government is not fit to govern
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Post by partickpotter on Sept 19, 2021 6:25:17 GMT
Remember we are checking no lorries travelling from mainland Europe. Of course brexit is having an effect. There are driver shortages all over differing countries, but no empty shelves. We will be back in the single market and customs union within a year. Whether the next government is Tory, or a coalition, they are going to have a hell of a job. Si much money has been lost it is not sustainable. It does not really affect my life as I am lucky to be in a career where my lifestyle is not affected. One thing for sure. This government is not fit to govern Has there ever been a Government fit to govern?
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Post by peekay67 on Sept 19, 2021 7:03:30 GMT
Remember we are checking no lorries travelling from mainland Europe. Of course brexit is having an effect. There are driver shortages all over differing countries, but no empty shelves. We will be back in the single market and customs union within a year. Whether the next government is Tory, or a coalition, they are going to have a hell of a job. Si much money has been lost it is not sustainable. It does not really affect my life as I am lucky to be in a career where my lifestyle is not affected. One thing for sure. This government is not fit to govern Has there ever been a Government fit to govern? You're right. Maybe there has not. And maybe we are due one. Well overdue.
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Post by partickpotter on Sept 19, 2021 7:14:43 GMT
Has there ever been a Government fit to govern? You're right. Maybe there has not. And maybe we are due one. Well overdue. I’m currently listening to Dominic Sandbrook’s books on the 1970s. Just completed State of Emergency covering Heath’s time in office from 1970 - 1974 and now on Seasons in the Sun which covers the subsequent Labour Government under Wilson then Callaghan to 1979. The books cover all topics in those years, social as well as political. Well worth a read. What is obvious is shambolic government has been with us for a good while!
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Post by peekay67 on Sept 19, 2021 7:55:51 GMT
I agree. We need change. Big change. It's scary times for us all. I'm not saying labour are the answer. I have no idea how a Starmer government would cope. We need a complete political overall.
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Post by questionable on Sept 19, 2021 8:06:09 GMT
So in the last month I quit my job for pastures new,the old boss was digging in her heals and refusing the raise we were promised, after nearly five years I was gutted to go but the time was right. Fast forward to the new job, a tanker outfit in sandbach. I did 4 1/2 days for them, in those days I did 68 1/2 hours , it became evident that most of the drivers there were happily running abit bent as we say. My new boss even had the gonads to mention he wanted ‘another job’ out of me before I went off. We had been running round the clock. My point is to show how bad an industry driving has become, for many there’s not enough work in a dog , for others there’s no respect for there staff they see it as they’re doing you a favour by letting work. As I’ve said before driving is an industry that is at rock bottom, the answers that people come up with to the ongoing shortages are completely off the mark. The tanker outfit which moved plastic resins was using the governments relaxation of rules to get more out of already overworked staff. 12 hrs should be enough !!!!!!!!!!! Sadly for many outfits they plan you to the max available hours the government allows all the while wanting more, the whole industry is bullshit. A lot of the bonus that are flying about are paid on completion of certain lengths of service, which drivers won’t hit. We all know that the industry goes deadly quiet in January and February , drivers will still be laid off in numbers. Then a month later the same firms will regurgitate the same old bonus incentives , pay staff properly , treat staff with respect. Don’t plan to the maximum allowed hours . Treat rest periods as rest periods . I’ve lost count of the amount of out of hours calls I’ve had. Sounds worrying Do you think pushing drivers to the limits and beyond will see more accidents and deaths on the road? I’ve had two near misses over the past two weekends involving lorry drivers, yesterday I had the foresight to anticipate what the lorry driver would do but last Saturday I was plodding along around 30 mph and heading towards Woore from Onnelly when from nowhere a friggin big lorry came hurtling towards us on a bend, at least a metre on my side of the road and crossing double white lines, he was motoring believe me. Luckily enough there was a little gravel embankment that I noticed to my left and quickly put the car up it otherwise I would have had to put the car through an hedgerow, I have no doubt whatsoever that if I had just braked and remained on my side of the road I wouldn’t be posting this now. I actually got forced off the M6 once and had to drive, well forced into a coned off lane all because I wouldn’t let a Hermès lorry join the inside lane as he pulled onto the motorway, luckily I recorded the whole incident on my dash cam and reported him to the Police and Hermès themselves. For me the odd lorry driver think because they’re in a massive lorry they’re the king of the road and IMO 100% should be banned from country lanes and through small towns/villages.
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Post by xchpotter on Sept 19, 2021 8:24:26 GMT
Sounds worrying Do you think pushing drivers to the limits and beyond will see more accidents and deaths on the road? I’ve had two near misses over the past two weekends involving lorry drivers, yesterday I had the foresight to anticipate what the lorry driver would do but last Saturday I was plodding along around 30 mph and heading towards Woore from Onnelly when from nowhere a friggin big lorry came hurtling towards us on a bend, at least a metre on my side of the road and crossing double white lines, he was motoring believe me. Luckily enough there was a little gravel embankment that I noticed to my left and quickly put the car up it otherwise I would have had to put the car through an hedgerow, I have no doubt whatsoever that if I had just braked and remained on my side of the road I wouldn’t be posting this now. I actually got forced off the M6 once and had to drive, well forced into a coned off lane all because I wouldn’t let a Hermès lorry join the inside lane as he pulled onto the motorway, luckily I recorded the whole incident on my dash cam and reported him to the Police and Hermès themselves. For me the odd lorry driver think because they’re in a massive lorry they’re the king of the road and IMO 100% should be banned from country lanes and through small towns/villages. Lorry drivers are normally better drivers, it’s more a case of when things to go wrong with lorry driving the outcomes tend to be more serious due to size and weight. I do get frustrated by them when they overtake another lorry up a hill on a dual carriageway (A34 Winchester to Oxford is a great example) and gain about one foot past the other lorry every ten seconds not giving a flying toss about the mayhem behind. Generally they aren’t too bad. There are worse drivers out there, just imagine if taxi drivers or BMW and Audi drivers were behind the wheel of a lorry 😬
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Post by questionable on Sept 19, 2021 8:33:15 GMT
I’ve had two near misses over the past two weekends involving lorry drivers, yesterday I had the foresight to anticipate what the lorry driver would do but last Saturday I was plodding along around 30 mph and heading towards Woore from Onnelly when from nowhere a friggin big lorry came hurtling towards us on a bend, at least a metre on my side of the road and crossing double white lines, he was motoring believe me. Luckily enough there was a little gravel embankment that I noticed to my left and quickly put the car up it otherwise I would have had to put the car through an hedgerow, I have no doubt whatsoever that if I had just braked and remained on my side of the road I wouldn’t be posting this now. I actually got forced off the M6 once and had to drive, well forced into a coned off lane all because I wouldn’t let a Hermès lorry join the inside lane as he pulled onto the motorway, luckily I recorded the whole incident on my dash cam and reported him to the Police and Hermès themselves. For me the odd lorry driver think because they’re in a massive lorry they’re the king of the road and IMO 100% should be banned from country lanes and through small towns/villages. Lorry drivers are normally better drivers, it’s more a case of when things to go wrong with lorry driving the outcomes tend to be more serious due to size and weight. I do get frustrated by them when they overtake another lorry up a hill on a dual carriageway (A34 Winchester to Oxford is a great example) and gain about one foot past the other lorry every ten seconds not giving a flying toss about the mayhem behind. Generally they aren’t too bad. There are worse drivers out there, just imagine if taxi drivers or BMW and Audi drivers were behind the wheel of a lorry 😬 Stereotyping I see...🤣🤣 I was driving my wife’s Audi SUV at the time as I had the dog with me, ordinarily I’d be driving my BMW..
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Post by xchpotter on Sept 19, 2021 8:48:42 GMT
Lorry drivers are normally better drivers, it’s more a case of when things to go wrong with lorry driving the outcomes tend to be more serious due to size and weight. I do get frustrated by them when they overtake another lorry up a hill on a dual carriageway (A34 Winchester to Oxford is a great example) and gain about one foot past the other lorry every ten seconds not giving a flying toss about the mayhem behind. Generally they aren’t too bad. There are worse drivers out there, just imagine if taxi drivers or BMW and Audi drivers were behind the wheel of a lorry 😬 Stereotyping I see...🤣🤣 I was driving my wife’s Audi SUV at the time as I had the dog with me, ordinarily I’d be driving my BMW.. Oh right, there’s probably a thread on another message board somewhere from a lorry driver saying some bloke in an Audi with a dog driving nearly made him crash
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Post by prestwichpotter on Sept 21, 2021 18:33:12 GMT
Not truck driver related this time but more empty shelves ahead…..
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Sept 21, 2021 18:41:20 GMT
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Post by prestwichpotter on Sept 21, 2021 22:02:25 GMT
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Post by partickpotter on Sept 22, 2021 8:10:28 GMT
It’s a funny old world isn’t it. On the one hand we’ve got far too much carbon in the world today, but, it seems, at the same time we don’t have enough. Can’t live with it, can’t live without it.
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Post by mrcoke on Sept 22, 2021 8:47:29 GMT
It’s a funny old world isn’t it. On the one hand we’ve got far too much carbon in the world today, but, it seems, at the same time we don’t have enough. Can’t live with it, can’t live without it. The world is being polluted by millions of tonnes of CO2 released by all of us by breathing, moving about (internal combustion, flying), heating, cooking, power, etc. There is an inclination to blame industry but the reality is industry accounts for less than half the pollution/CO2. Other beings release huge quantities of carbon as well, such as cattle releasing vast quantities of methane which is very much more environmentally damaging than CO2. Worse still is that man is rapidly destroying the vegetation that can remove the CO2 from the atmosphere, and increasing deserts destroys nature's ability to capture CO2. There are many industrial processes that release carbon in large quantities. I have managed lime businesses that converted CaCO3 (limestone) to CaO (quicklime) by driving off the CO2 content. Some of these processes already engage in capture of the CO2 produced rather than release it to the atmosphere and supply it to industry, such as some fertilizer plants. The release of CO2 is infinitely greater than its potential use. So if removal of CO2 from the atmosphere is to be achieved a means of disposal has to be found. Better still stop producing it in the first place by renewable means. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_capture_and_storagePlease don't confuse the need for CO2 with the need for C (carbon). The steel industry needs vast amounts of carbon to reduce iron ore to iron. It gets this carbon from a special sort of coal called metallurgical coal.
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Sept 22, 2021 9:28:25 GMT
I’ve had two near misses over the past two weekends involving lorry drivers, yesterday I had the foresight to anticipate what the lorry driver would do but last Saturday I was plodding along around 30 mph and heading towards Woore from Onnelly when from nowhere a friggin big lorry came hurtling towards us on a bend, at least a metre on my side of the road and crossing double white lines, he was motoring believe me. Luckily enough there was a little gravel embankment that I noticed to my left and quickly put the car up it otherwise I would have had to put the car through an hedgerow, I have no doubt whatsoever that if I had just braked and remained on my side of the road I wouldn’t be posting this now. I actually got forced off the M6 once and had to drive, well forced into a coned off lane all because I wouldn’t let a Hermès lorry join the inside lane as he pulled onto the motorway, luckily I recorded the whole incident on my dash cam and reported him to the Police and Hermès themselves. For me the odd lorry driver think because they’re in a massive lorry they’re the king of the road and IMO 100% should be banned from country lanes and through small towns/villages. Lorry drivers are normally better drivers, it’s more a case of when things to go wrong with lorry driving the outcomes tend to be more serious due to size and weight. I do get frustrated by them when they overtake another lorry up a hill on a dual carriageway (A34 Winchester to Oxford is a great example) and gain about one foot past the other lorry every ten seconds not giving a flying toss about the mayhem behind. Generally they aren’t too bad. There are worse drivers out there, just imagine if taxi drivers or BMW and Audi drivers were behind the wheel of a lorry 😬 I drive a BMW and I believe I am one of the most courteous drivers on the road today. I certainly never forget to give a little wave when let through by another car. The worst are the WAG types in Range Rovers and other expensive SUV type cars. Let them out at junctions and they very rarely acknowledge it, very annoying indeed
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Post by partickpotter on Sept 22, 2021 9:44:01 GMT
It’s a funny old world isn’t it. On the one hand we’ve got far too much carbon in the world today, but, it seems, at the same time we don’t have enough. Can’t live with it, can’t live without it. The world is being polluted by millions of tonnes of CO2 released by all of us by breathing, moving about (internal combustion, flying), heating, cooking, power, etc. There is an inclination to blame industry but the reality is industry accounts for less than half the pollution/CO2. Other beings release huge quantities of carbon as well, such as cattle releasing vast quantities of methane which is very much more environmentally damaging than CO2. Worse still is that man is rapidly destroying the vegetation that can remove the CO2 from the atmosphere, and increasing deserts destroys nature's ability to capture CO2. There are many industrial processes that release carbon in large quantities. I have managed lime businesses that converted CaCO3 (limestone) to CaO (quicklime) by driving off the CO2 content. Some of these processes already engage in capture of the CO2 produced rather than release it to the atmosphere and supply it to industry, such as some fertilizer plants. The release of CO2 is infinitely greater than its potential use. So if removal of CO2 from the atmosphere is to be achieved a means of disposal has to be found. Better still stop producing it in the first place by renewable means. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_capture_and_storagePlease don't confuse the need for CO2 with the need for C (carbon). The steel industry needs vast amounts of carbon to reduce iron ore to iron. It gets this carbon from a special sort of coal called metallurgical coal. It was a wee joke!
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Post by dutchstokie on Sept 22, 2021 14:17:45 GMT
Not truck driver related this time but more empty shelves ahead….. Its simple.....Just make your own bread then (Or are most people too fuckin bone idle to do it or dont know how to make it ?)
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Sept 22, 2021 14:19:47 GMT
Not truck driver related this time but more empty shelves ahead….. Its simple.....Just make your own bread then (Or are most people too fuckin bone idle to do it or dont know how to make it ?) I wouldn't have a scoobie doo how to make bread. Summat to do with flour is as much as I know
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Post by jack1 on Sept 22, 2021 15:01:29 GMT
I’ve had two near misses over the past two weekends involving lorry drivers, yesterday I had the foresight to anticipate what the lorry driver would do but last Saturday I was plodding along around 30 mph and heading towards Woore from Onnelly when from nowhere a friggin big lorry came hurtling towards us on a bend, at least a metre on my side of the road and crossing double white lines, he was motoring believe me. Luckily enough there was a little gravel embankment that I noticed to my left and quickly put the car up it otherwise I would have had to put the car through an hedgerow, I have no doubt whatsoever that if I had just braked and remained on my side of the road I wouldn’t be posting this now. I actually got forced off the M6 once and had to drive, well forced into a coned off lane all because I wouldn’t let a Hermès lorry join the inside lane as he pulled onto the motorway, luckily I recorded the whole incident on my dash cam and reported him to the Police and Hermès themselves. For me the odd lorry driver think because they’re in a massive lorry they’re the king of the road and IMO 100% should be banned from country lanes and through small towns/villages. Lorry drivers are normally better drivers, it’s more a case of when things to go wrong with lorry driving the outcomes tend to be more serious due to size and weight. I do get frustrated by them when they overtake another lorry up a hill on a dual carriageway (A34 Winchester to Oxford is a great example) and gain about one foot past the other lorry every ten seconds not giving a flying toss about the mayhem behind. Generally they aren’t too bad. There are worse drivers out there, just imagine if taxi drivers or BMW and Audi drivers were behind the wheel of a lorry 😬 I think us Audi drivers would go un-noticed if the drivers of the lesser cars would just get out of the way!
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Post by prestwichpotter on Sept 22, 2021 16:16:16 GMT
Lorry drivers are normally better drivers, it’s more a case of when things to go wrong with lorry driving the outcomes tend to be more serious due to size and weight. I do get frustrated by them when they overtake another lorry up a hill on a dual carriageway (A34 Winchester to Oxford is a great example) and gain about one foot past the other lorry every ten seconds not giving a flying toss about the mayhem behind. Generally they aren’t too bad. There are worse drivers out there, just imagine if taxi drivers or BMW and Audi drivers were behind the wheel of a lorry 😬 I think us Audi drivers would go un-noticed if the drivers of the lesser cars would just get out of the way! It’s just a Skoda with a different badge fella…… 😂
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Sept 22, 2021 20:14:14 GMT
I think us Audi drivers would go un-noticed if the drivers of the lesser cars would just get out of the way! It’s just a Skoda with a different badge fella…… 😂 You've seen my Fabia quattro!
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Post by prestwichpotter on Sept 22, 2021 20:15:45 GMT
It’s just a Skoda with a different badge fella…… 😂 You've seen my Fabia quattro! I’ve had both to be fair, a car’s a car as far as I’m concerned…..
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Post by prettything on Sept 22, 2021 21:29:58 GMT
Not truck driver related this time but more empty shelves ahead….. Its simple.....Just make your own bread then (Or are most people too fuckin bone idle to do it or dont know how to make it ?) Cool. Hope you know how to make beer kegs as well…
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Post by flea79 on Sept 23, 2021 10:31:54 GMT
I agree. We need change. Big change. It's scary times for us all. I'm not saying labour are the answer. I have no idea how a Starmer government would cope. We need a complete political overall. in fairness i believed that at the start of covid a government of national unity should have been formed that would have let all work together instead of the current adversarial system that allows very little too happen
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Post by partickpotter on Sept 23, 2021 10:56:43 GMT
I agree. We need change. Big change. It's scary times for us all. I'm not saying labour are the answer. I have no idea how a Starmer government would cope. We need a complete political overall. in fairness i believed that at the start of covid a government of national unity should have been formed that would have let all work together instead of the current adversarial system that allows very little too happen I disagree… we need opposition. But that opposition has to provide opposition. In this case meaningfully challenging decisions made by Government. Which means not looking to either score cheap political points or to go along supinely with what the Government decides but to ask for and scrutinise the evidence that justify decisions. This type of challenge has been pretty much absent during this whole period.
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Post by wagsastokie on Sept 23, 2021 12:07:34 GMT
in fairness i believed that at the start of covid a government of national unity should have been formed that would have let all work together instead of the current adversarial system that allows very little too happen I disagree… we need opposition. But that opposition has to provide opposition. In this case meaningfully challenging decisions made by Government. Which means not looking to either score cheap political points or to go along supinely with what the Government decides but to ask for and scrutinise the evidence that justify decisions. This type of challenge has been pretty much absent during this whole period. It’s very difficult to challenge and oppose Whilst the splinters from the fence are beginning to make your arse ache One of the few things that has been considerably worse than the government’s handling of covid Has been the abject pathetic inept alleged opposition led by a inept charlatan
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