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Post by mrcoke on Jun 27, 2021 8:39:53 GMT
What make me chuckle about all this green stuff is that we could be the most carbon neutral country in the world, but as an island we are a mere blip on the landscape compared to the size of the USA, Russia and China. We could clean our air but it would just drift away over europe and dirty air would replace it. Nothing will change until they change. That's correct. China is the world's major polluter accounting for over a quarter (almost a third) of the world's carbon emissions. The other major contributors are USA, India, and Russia, which collectively account for another quarter of the world's carbon emissions. To be fair to USA and Russia have held pretty steady, whilst Europe has actually reduced emissions over the last half century, but mainly by "exporting" manufacturing to the Far East. Europe is now only a bit-player on the world economy scene, and is in danger of paying the price for the rest of the world's emissions, by screwing up its economies to allow other countries to catch up in terms of GDP per head. The two alarming features of world trends are: 1. India has started to increase emissions significantly in the last 15 years, but is still only a quarter of China's emissions. If India's future trend replicates China's the implications are massive. 2. The other major emissions contributor is the so called "rest of the world". They collectively emit as much pollution as China, the worrying feature is that their emissions are increasing fastest. There are too many countries to list. Some like Saudi Arabia, Australia, and Canada, emit large amounts per head of population, others are emitting larger amounts of pollution due to their size (Japan, Brazil, Mexico) or rapid growth like the ASEAN group of economies. Pollution takes a great many forms, but carbon emission is probably the best guide: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_carbon_dioxide_emissions |
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Post by mrcoke on Jul 14, 2021 16:08:56 GMT
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jul 14, 2021 16:48:42 GMT
Good stuff... www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-57833807It's about time we realised that none of this is going to be easy, you can't pollute your own backyard for 250 years and then expect it all to just go away! |
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Aug 11, 2021 21:40:20 GMT
Whatever happened to environmentalism being about saving rainforests and wildlife. Now it appears to be driven by our increasingly left wing government and media propaganda to control people's lives even further, introduce extortionate cost to working people's lives, scare the shit out of a population and as Brendan O'Neil rightly pointed out on the news tonight, spread this perverse kind of "apocalypse porn". We seem to be moving from one state intervention obsession which obliterates civil liberties, the poor and benefits the rich (lockdowns), to another. http://instagram.com/p/CR9SZFPo5R2 |
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Aug 11, 2021 21:51:23 GMT
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Post by prestwichpotter on Aug 12, 2021 7:22:28 GMT
What a meeting of minds that was. Do people still listen to this shite? |
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Aug 12, 2021 8:01:12 GMT
What a meeting of minds that was. Do people still listen to this shite? Great minds indeed. Fastest growing station on the planet 😉 |
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Post by prestwichpotter on Aug 12, 2021 9:12:03 GMT
What a meeting of minds that was. Do people still listen to this shite? Great minds indeed. Fastest growing station on the planet 😉 Who was on after this O’Sullivan clown, The Tweenies talking about our withdrawal from Afghanistan? |
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Aug 12, 2021 9:53:04 GMT
Great minds indeed. Fastest growing station on the planet 😉 Who was on after this O’Sullivan clown, The Tweenies talking about our withdrawal from Afghanistan? He's just looking at it from a different view point to you. Doesn't make him a clown. He can be quite irritating IMO but he does make some credible points from time to time. And the channel itself is quite annoying, especially Farage, but for my money they are raising some very worthwhile debates and views on all sorts of matters that are contrary to what is being pushed by the MSM. And quite frankly I think that is a good thing. They are entitled to their voice. |
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Post by prestwichpotter on Aug 12, 2021 10:00:04 GMT
Who was on after this O’Sullivan clown, The Tweenies talking about our withdrawal from Afghanistan? He's just looking at it from a different view point to you. Doesn't make him a clown. He can be quite irritating IMO but he does make some credible points from time to time. And the channel itself is quite annoying, especially Farage, but for my money they are raising some very worthwhile debates and views on all sorts of matters that are contrary to what is being pushed by the MSM. And quite frankly I think that is a good thing. They are entitled to their voice. Of course and he's entitled to his opinion as is everyone. But on a national radio show I prefer to get both sides of the argument from people with facts and statistics to back it up, rather than the Entertainment Editor of the Daily Mirror ranting about his clear distain for anyone interested in the environment and the climate crisis........... |
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Aug 12, 2021 10:05:53 GMT
He's just looking at it from a different view point to you. Doesn't make him a clown. He can be quite irritating IMO but he does make some credible points from time to time. And the channel itself is quite annoying, especially Farage, but for my money they are raising some very worthwhile debates and views on all sorts of matters that are contrary to what is being pushed by the MSM. And quite frankly I think that is a good thing. They are entitled to their voice. Of course and he's entitled to his opinion as is everyone. But on a national radio show I prefer to get both sides of the argument from people with facts and statistics to back it up, rather than the Entertainment Editor of the Daily Mirror ranting about his clear distain for anyone interested in the environment and the climate crisis........... Yeah fair enough, agree with that. I follow American politics by watching Fox news and CNN and then through the bullshit they both spout I try and work out what a reasonable truth or opinion to have might be. Not sure its a very good system to be fair, but I have begun to conclude that Democrats and Republicans are no better than each other i.e. they are both as bent and devious as each other. |
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Aug 12, 2021 11:37:48 GMT
Party politics aside, it'll be a catastrophe for everyone if we don't do this "green nonsense eco claptrap". |
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Post by prestwichpotter on Aug 12, 2021 11:41:03 GMT
Party politics aside, it'll be a catastrophe for everyone if we don't do this "green nonsense eco claptrap". mmmmm I dunno, the Entertainment Editor at the Daily Mirror comic thinks otherwise, and that man know his onions....... |
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Aug 12, 2021 12:21:59 GMT
Party politics aside, it'll be a catastrophe for everyone if we don't do this "green nonsense eco claptrap". Don't do what exactly? What are you proposing? Extortionate cost, lockdowns, state intervention and electric cars/increased energy bills that will hit the poorest in society hardest? |
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Aug 12, 2021 14:14:35 GMT
Party politics aside, it'll be a catastrophe for everyone if we don't do this "green nonsense eco claptrap". Don't do what exactly? What are you proposing? Extortionate cost, lockdowns, state intervention and electric cars/increased energy bills that will hit the poorest in society hardest? I'm proposing that we tackle climate change before it kills millions of us, which it has every chance of doing. It doesn't have to hit the poorest hardest. It will if governments choose to allow it to do so to keep their rich benefactors sweet though. So it probably will. However, that doesn't mean it's "green nonsense eco claptrap", it means governments don't give a shit about the ordinary people whose lives they are supposed to make better. Who knew! (Doing nothing will similarly affect the poorest hardest too as climate change accelerates). |
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Aug 12, 2021 15:00:41 GMT
Don't do what exactly? What are you proposing? Extortionate cost, lockdowns, state intervention and electric cars/increased energy bills that will hit the poorest in society hardest? I'm proposing that we tackle climate change before it kills millions of us, which it has every chance of doing. It doesn't have to hit the poorest hardest. It will if governments choose to allow it to do so to keep their rich benefactors sweet though. So it probably will. However, that doesn't mean it's "green nonsense eco claptrap", it means governments don't give a shit about the ordinary people whose lives they are supposed to make better. Who knew! (Doing nothing will similarly affect the poorest hardest too as climate change accelerates). I suspect there's a balance to be had. I think the media click bait propaganda shit of "floods in Germany" (ignoring the fact that flooding in Germany has significantly reduced in the past 150 years) and "fires in Greece" is a load of absolute bollocks. Fires and floods are nothing new. It's as embarassing as their cringey headlines like "covid cases have gone up" ignoring the fact that they'd been going down for the previous month. I do broadly agree that the way we treat the environment needs to change but for me thats more around protecting wildlife and the atrocities of obliterating the lives of traditional communities in areas such as the Amazon. That doesn't need to hit the poorest in society or restrict peoples lives and livelihoods. Re the beneficiaries, we all know the major parties in parliament will support rich benefactors, be it their mates or oppressive States like China. The future of the green agenda is not remotely positive in my view. But hey. |
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Post by heworksardtho on Aug 12, 2021 18:16:33 GMT
It’s Joe Public who will bear the cost of going green…… New heating systems from 2025 which could cost upward of £10000 to install Demise of fossil fuel cars for electric 2030 Restriction of open fires in homes 2021 I heard one glimmer of hope regarding cars. My brother in law does research and development for chemical industry and said that the research and development of synthetic fuels is at an advance stage and would make it possible to convert existing petrol and diesel fuelled vehicles to use synthetic fuel. The futility of going green is that it may make UK a nicer place to live but saving the world from whatever catastrophe awaits us it will not whilst major manufacturing countries plod on with fossil fuelled power. Will still have a 430 Bhp Focus RS in me garage , only unleash the beast in the summer months |
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Post by followyoudown on Aug 12, 2021 18:27:27 GMT
I'm proposing that we tackle climate change before it kills millions of us, which it has every chance of doing. It doesn't have to hit the poorest hardest. It will if governments choose to allow it to do so to keep their rich benefactors sweet though. So it probably will. However, that doesn't mean it's "green nonsense eco claptrap", it means governments don't give a shit about the ordinary people whose lives they are supposed to make better. Who knew! (Doing nothing will similarly affect the poorest hardest too as climate change accelerates). I suspect there's a balance to be had. I think the media click bait propaganda shit of "floods in Germany" (ignoring the fact that flooding in Germany has significantly reduced in the past 150 years) and "fires in Greece" is a load of absolute bollocks. Fires and floods are nothing new. It's as embarassing as their cringey headlines like "covid cases have gone up" ignoring the fact that they'd been going down for the previous month. I do broadly agree that the way we treat the environment needs to change but for me thats more around protecting wildlife and the atrocities of obliterating the lives of traditional communities in areas such as the Amazon. That doesn't need to hit the poorest in society or restrict peoples lives and livelihoods. Re the beneficiaries, we all know the major parties in parliament will support rich benefactors, be it their mates or oppressive States like China. The future of the green agenda is not remotely positive in my view. But hey. On the fires in Greece, there has been three people arrested for starting the fires global warming it wasn't..... |
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Post by Northy on Aug 12, 2021 18:41:07 GMT
I'm proposing that we tackle climate change before it kills millions of us, which it has every chance of doing. It doesn't have to hit the poorest hardest. It will if governments choose to allow it to do so to keep their rich benefactors sweet though. So it probably will. However, that doesn't mean it's "green nonsense eco claptrap", it means governments don't give a shit about the ordinary people whose lives they are supposed to make better. Who knew! (Doing nothing will similarly affect the poorest hardest too as climate change accelerates). I suspect there's a balance to be had. I think the media click bait propaganda shit of "floods in Germany" (ignoring the fact that flooding in Germany has significantly reduced in the past 150 years) and "fires in Greece" is a load of absolute bollocks. Fires and floods are nothing new. It's as embarassing as their cringey headlines like "covid cases have gone up" ignoring the fact that they'd been going down for the previous month. I do broadly agree that the way we treat the environment needs to change but for me thats more around protecting wildlife and the atrocities of obliterating the lives of traditional communities in areas such as the Amazon. That doesn't need to hit the poorest in society or restrict peoples lives and livelihoods. Re the beneficiaries, we all know the major parties in parliament will support rich benefactors, be it their mates or oppressive States like China. The future of the green agenda is not remotely positive in my view. But hey. Significantly reduced in Germany? You aren't going off the admins doctored picture on the side of a pub are you? It was missing the very top one, 2002 I think and also didn't show 4 of those flood marks are since 2000 ? |
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Post by foghornsgleghorn on Aug 12, 2021 19:24:07 GMT
I suspect there's a balance to be had. I think the media click bait propaganda shit of "floods in Germany" (ignoring the fact that flooding in Germany has significantly reduced in the past 150 years) and "fires in Greece" is a load of absolute bollocks. Fires and floods are nothing new. It's as embarassing as their cringey headlines like "covid cases have gone up" ignoring the fact that they'd been going down for the previous month. I do broadly agree that the way we treat the environment needs to change but for me thats more around protecting wildlife and the atrocities of obliterating the lives of traditional communities in areas such as the Amazon. That doesn't need to hit the poorest in society or restrict peoples lives and livelihoods. Re the beneficiaries, we all know the major parties in parliament will support rich benefactors, be it their mates or oppressive States like China. The future of the green agenda is not remotely positive in my view. But hey. On the fires in Greece, there has been three people arrested for starting the fires global warming it wasn't..... I don't think anyone sensible is suggesting that global warming starts fires but hot & dry weather creates conditions which support combustion. |
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Post by mtrstudent on Aug 12, 2021 22:27:22 GMT
On the fires in Greece, there has been three people arrested for starting the fires global warming it wasn't..... I don't think anyone sensible is suggesting that global warming starts fires but hot & dry weather creates conditions which support combustion. The whole "it's just as easy to start a fire when it's cold and wet as when it's dry and 45 C" argument makes me think these people never had to go to kibblestone camp when it was pissing buckets. |
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Aug 13, 2021 17:48:26 GMT
I'm proposing that we tackle climate change before it kills millions of us, which it has every chance of doing. It doesn't have to hit the poorest hardest. It will if governments choose to allow it to do so to keep their rich benefactors sweet though. So it probably will. However, that doesn't mean it's "green nonsense eco claptrap", it means governments don't give a shit about the ordinary people whose lives they are supposed to make better. Who knew! (Doing nothing will similarly affect the poorest hardest too as climate change accelerates). I suspect there's a balance to be had. I think the media click bait propaganda shit of "floods in Germany" (ignoring the fact that flooding in Germany has significantly reduced in the past 150 years) and "fires in Greece" is a load of absolute bollocks. Fires and floods are nothing new. It's as embarassing as their cringey headlines like "covid cases have gone up" ignoring the fact that they'd been going down for the previous month. I do broadly agree that the way we treat the environment needs to change but for me thats more around protecting wildlife and the atrocities of obliterating the lives of traditional communities in areas such as the Amazon. That doesn't need to hit the poorest in society or restrict peoples lives and livelihoods. Re the beneficiaries, we all know the major parties in parliament will support rich benefactors, be it their mates or oppressive States like China. The future of the green agenda is not remotely positive in my view. But hey. A balance is right. Describing it as "green nonsense eco claptrap" is just as "clickbait" and unbalanced as your take on the reporting of the flooding and fires. It's a simple undisputed fact (undisputed by everyone except the same kind of people who think Covid is fake) that we are making the world hotter. And that this will have devastating effects on food production, millions of people will potentially starve and therefore migrate, leading to political instability and increased tensions. The flooding and fires will seem like a minor precursor to it all when it really kicks off. The point is, any proposed moves to tackle climate change don't necessarily have to hit the poorest. Governments can ensure that. Whether they choose to do so or not, is down to political will. The fact that we've been talking about climate change (global warming as it used to be called) since about the mid 1970s and we are only now thinking that perhaps, maybe, erm, should we do something about this guys?, tells you all you need to know about political will. It doesn't really matter though, the planet will be fine, and from a life on earth perspective, we'll just have been a 200,000 year blip whose last 250 years were a bit catastrophic and ended up causing mass extinctions, probably including our own, sadly. |
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on Aug 14, 2021 22:29:36 GMT
(((Green agenda))) Keep making your life shitter, good goy.
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Post by PotteringThrough on Aug 14, 2021 22:51:56 GMT
I don't think anyone sensible is suggesting that global warming starts fires but hot & dry weather creates conditions which support combustion. The whole "it's just as easy to start a fire when it's cold and wet as when it's dry and 45 C" argument makes me think these people never had to go to kibblestone camp when it was pissing buckets. Got chased by a bull at kibblestone once - our fault, we climbed in his field. Still, you live and learn. What was the cave called - devils hole? Quite simple, recycle more, eat less meat and think more |
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Post by PotterLog on Aug 15, 2021 1:38:10 GMT
(((Green agenda))) Keep making your life shitter, good goy. ??? Wtf is that |
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Post by kiwistokie on Aug 16, 2021 23:02:45 GMT
It’s Joe Public who will bear the cost of going green…… New heating systems from 2025 which could cost upward of £10000 to install Demise of fossil fuel cars for electric 2030 Restriction of open fires in homes 2021 I heard one glimmer of hope regarding cars. My brother in law does research and development for chemical industry and said that the research and development of synthetic fuels is at an advance stage and would make it possible to convert existing petrol and diesel fuelled vehicles to use synthetic fuel. The futility of going green is that it may make UK a nicer place to live but saving the world from whatever catastrophe awaits us it will not whilst major manufacturing countries plod on with fossil fuelled power. In NZ the city council was approched to run the bus fllet on synthetic diesel and that would reduce the emmisions by 90% and as most of the fleet is only 3 years old makesa good case. But the answer was no as we are going electric at a cost that would make your eyes water, shame as the way forward is both |
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Post by lawrieleslie on Aug 17, 2021 10:08:42 GMT
What make me chuckle about all this green stuff is that we could be the most carbon neutral country in the world, but as an island we are a mere blip on the landscape compared to the size of the USA, Russia and China. We could clean our air but it would just drift away over europe and dirty air would replace it. Nothing will change until they change. Caroline Lucas once said that each country has its own column of air the area of its footprint on the earth. So don’t worry we will be fine.  |
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Post by lawrieleslie on Aug 17, 2021 10:16:08 GMT
It’s Joe Public who will bear the cost of going green…… New heating systems from 2025 which could cost upward of £10000 to install Demise of fossil fuel cars for electric 2030 Restriction of open fires in homes 2021 I heard one glimmer of hope regarding cars. My brother in law does research and development for chemical industry and said that the research and development of synthetic fuels is at an advance stage and would make it possible to convert existing petrol and diesel fuelled vehicles to use synthetic fuel. The futility of going green is that it may make UK a nicer place to live but saving the world from whatever catastrophe awaits us it will not whilst major manufacturing countries plod on with fossil fuelled power. In NZ the city council was approched to run the bus fllet on synthetic diesel and that would reduce the emmisions by 90% and as most of the fleet is only 3 years old makesa good case. But the answer was no as we are going electric at a cost that would make your eyes water, shame as the way forward is both What might evolve is a mixture of electric, hydrogen cell and synthetic fuelled vehicles. Also I can see mobile phone type contracts for electric cars where you have a contract of so much per month over a fixed period then return the vehicle at the end for an upgrade. It won’t be cheap of course but would open up the e car market for more people. But the real culprit for global warming is the exponential increase in world population. Since end of WW1 the population has increased 4 fold from just under 2 billion to 7.75 billion. |
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Post by mrcoke on Aug 17, 2021 10:26:37 GMT
In NZ the city council was approched to run the bus fllet on synthetic diesel and that would reduce the emmisions by 90% and as most of the fleet is only 3 years old makesa good case. But the answer was no as we are going electric at a cost that would make your eyes water, shame as the way forward is both What might evolve is a mixture of electric, hydrogen cell and synthetic fuelled vehicles. Also I can see mobile phone type contracts for electric cars where you have a contract of so much per month over a fixed period then return the vehicle at the end for an upgrade. It won’t be cheap of course but would open up the e car market for more people. Government announcement today on hydrogen. I've just posted on the environment thread. |
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Post by mrcoke on Aug 20, 2021 9:09:03 GMT
Further to my last post we need to be aware that there is green,grey, and blue hydrogen, the latter two being more environmentally damaging than fossil fuels as fossil fuels are used to produce it and consume energy to produce it and capture carbon. (Edited) The vast majority of hydrogen produced today and used in industry is grey hydrogen. (Edited) news.sky.com/story/hydrogen-is-it-more-dangerous-and-can-it-help-us-tackle-climate-change-12383566splash247.com/chair-of-uk-hydrogen-group-quits-over-blue-hydrogen-support/The green agenda can prey on people's ignorance. For example using hydrogen to produce steel. It hardly exists and the technology does not exist to produce steel with hydrogen on the bulk scale. There are companies trying to develop it, but so were companies trying to produce steel with natural gas (4 parts hydrogen to 1 part carbon) when I moved to the steel industry in 1970. Half a century later there is still no viable process and blast furnaces are still being built in China and India using coke from metallurgical coal which Abraham Derby developed at Ironbridge. Using hydrogen instead of coke will be just as challenging as natural gas if not more so. Efforts might be better employed trying to replace steel! Another example of preying on the public's ignorance is "green washing" as practices by companies like H & M. Greta is on the case, but there needs to be legislation is place to prevent false claims of green products or services. www.bigissue.com/latest/environment/hm-greenwashing-is-disguising-the-reality-of-fast-fashion/ |
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