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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Jun 24, 2021 23:48:57 GMT
What was once a good cause appears to be rapidly becoming part of something pretty sinister.
Totalitarian views, extortionate cost, huge economical damage, unlimited state intervention and a complete obliteration of civil liberties - Is this really what the silent majority want?
We've had enough restrictions on our lives over the past 16 months.
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Post by partickpotter on Jun 25, 2021 6:13:49 GMT
This is Patrick Harvie, co-leader of the Scottish Greens.  Oh dear. Heaven must be missing an angel. |
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Post by lawrieleslie on Jun 25, 2021 6:27:49 GMT
It’s Joe Public who will bear the cost of going green……
New heating systems from 2025 which could cost upward of £10000 to install
Demise of fossil fuel cars for electric 2030
Restriction of open fires in homes 2021
I heard one glimmer of hope regarding cars. My brother in law does research and development for chemical industry and said that the research and development of synthetic fuels is at an advance stage and would make it possible to convert existing petrol and diesel fuelled vehicles to use synthetic fuel.
The futility of going green is that it may make UK a nicer place to live but saving the world from whatever catastrophe awaits us it will not whilst major manufacturing countries plod on with fossil fuelled power.
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Post by iancransonsknees on Jun 25, 2021 6:30:15 GMT
What was once a good cause appears to be rapidly becoming part of something pretty sinister. Totalitarian views, extortionate cost, huge economical damage, unlimited state intervention and a complete obliteration of civil liberties - Is this really what the silent majority want? We've had enough restrictions on our lives over the past 16 months. PAS2030/2035 is an interesting thing to understand. It's a Publicly Available Specification, developed by experts in their field in response to the need to retrofit 'green' products to existing buildings. They've designed it to set a standard for installers, property owners etc to achieve if they want the works to be funded or part funded. It's impossible to achieve in some instances without spending a small fortune, but their tests and examples were not completed to any great scale, in my experience the examples they gave were just individual properties owned by wealthy early adopters. What's eye opening is that the same people who have developed this specification have their own consultancy designed to deliver the various levels of training the specification imposes, and guidance to the property owners wishing to undertake works. All whilst lobbying government to make billions available to undertake the work. I don't disagree with a great deal of it, EWI works carried out by the utility companies across the city prior to 2035 being created have effectively blighted properties in my opinion. But they aren't the altruists they believe they are, I'd have thought that they stand to make a small fortune if this becomes a required standard whether works are grant funded or self funded. In my experience there are some great product s and solutions out there, just be very, very careful over who install s them. It'll rapidly become like the wild west again once it all rolls out. |
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Post by lordb on Jun 25, 2021 7:09:17 GMT
What was once a good cause appears to be rapidly becoming part of something pretty sinister. Totalitarian views, extortionate cost, huge economical damage, unlimited state intervention and a complete obliteration of civil liberties - Is this really what the silent majority want? We've had enough restrictions on our lives over the past 16 months. ' The Silent Majority' Imho there is no such thing |
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Jun 25, 2021 8:48:48 GMT
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Jun 25, 2021 8:56:00 GMT
It's something that will have zero impact on the lives of the wealthy elite but will absolutely hammer the poor/working class. Expect the modern day 'progressive' left, with their utter distain for the working class, to be the cheerleaders for it.
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Post by maninasuitcase on Jun 25, 2021 8:58:07 GMT
6 billion people die, but there would still be a housing shortage over here. |
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Post by maninasuitcase on Jun 25, 2021 9:05:27 GMT
What make me chuckle about all this green stuff is that we could be the most carbon neutral country in the world, but as an island we are a mere blip on the landscape compared to the size of the USA, Russia and China.
We could clean our air but it would just drift away over europe and dirty air would replace it.
Nothing will change until they change.
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Post by somersetstokie on Jun 25, 2021 9:11:09 GMT
This is Patrick Harvie, co-leader of the Scottish Greens. Oh dear. Heaven must be missing an angel. I have no comment on the Green Agenda. It is what it is and will take many paths and forms as we move along. However as an old school English Gentleman I do take issue with people in the public eye who choose to look scruffy. Dominic Cummins is the the worst, as an example. Surely if these people smartened up and took pride in their appearance, what they say and do would carry much more weight, and their comments would have more authority, and be worthy of respect. This Patrick Harvie just looks like a bizarre unkempt liberal free thinker, which he probably is, but I don't think he's going to influence me. |
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Post by danceswithclams on Jun 25, 2021 9:14:02 GMT
Is that the one where they electrocute that massive magic black guy at the end?
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Post by xchpotter on Jun 25, 2021 9:34:43 GMT
One thing that doesn’t seem to get the attention it deserves is the massive environmental damage caused by mining lithium for batteries. This together with almost slave like practices in some mines really should leave a very nasty taste in the mouth, but for some reason it rarely gets mentioned. I’m no eco expert, but it seems that the two main areas for power the world should be looking at is wind and tidal, but even then whatever power is produced has to be stored in some way and the creation of storage seems to attract the hidden consequences, especially with regards to batteries. www.theguardian.com/news/2020/dec/08/the-curse-of-white-oil-electric-vehicles-dirty-secret-lithium |
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Post by somersetstokie on Jun 25, 2021 9:37:10 GMT
One thing that doesn’t seem to get the attention it deserves is the massive environmental damage caused by mining lithium for batteries. This together with almost slave like practices in some mines really should leave a very nasty taste in the mouth, but for some reason it rarely gets mentioned. I’m no eco expert, but it seems that the two main areas for power the world should be looking at is wind and tidal, but even then whatever power is produced has to be stored in some way and the creation of storage seems to attract the hidden consequences, especially with regards to batteries. www.theguardian.com/news/2020/dec/08/the-curse-of-white-oil-electric-vehicles-dirty-secret-lithiumBattery manufacture and power storage is becoming a huge global issue, particularly with the immense potential and focus of Battery powered transportation. |
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jun 25, 2021 9:45:26 GMT
Oh dear, it looks like the "green agenda" is shaping up to be the next "woke", in other words another convenient target for distraction away from what really matters (which, in this case, ironically, also includes climate change).
In short, people appear to get oddly vexed at the idea that improving things for everyone might result in inconvenience and cost to them. When did so many people get to thinking that you can have the moon on a stick without actually paying for it? That provided I'm personally ok, stuff everyone else?
Not that it really matters in the very long run. Humans have no divine right to exist as a species any more than any other species, so whether we choose to contribute to our own eventual demise and eradication or not is largely irrelevant. If climate change does start to have significant and highly damaging impacts over the next few decades, I'd put money on the most vocal current anti-Green agenda types also being the ones who complain loudest that something should have been done ages ago!
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Post by somersetstokie on Jun 25, 2021 10:21:12 GMT
Existence on Earth is transient for most species, with a few exceptions such as Crocodiles. The same will be true of Humans and similar related groups and our time on Earth can only be regarded as finite. The only difference between Man and other species will be that we are the only life form on the planet that will have created the conditions for its own extinction.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jun 25, 2021 10:27:11 GMT
Existence on Earth is transient for most species, with a few exceptions such as Crocodiles. The same will be true of Humans and similar related groups and our time on Earth can only be regarded as finite. The only difference between Man and other species will be that we are the only life form on the planet that will have created the conditions for its own extinction. Exactly so. And chosen not to do anything about it once it was obvious what we were doing! |
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jun 25, 2021 10:42:09 GMT
It's something that will have zero impact on the lives of the wealthy elite but will absolutely hammer the poor/working class. Expect the modern day 'progressive' left, with their utter distain for the working class, to be the cheerleaders for it. A green economy should be targeted at the those manufacturing areas that have suffered over the last 30/40 years specifically to help the poor/working class that you say "the left" show distain for.......... |
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Post by henry on Jun 25, 2021 11:40:52 GMT
Surely shutting Basford bank to non rush hour traffic counter acts China’s emissions.
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Post by Vadiation_Ribe on Jun 25, 2021 22:36:41 GMT
The whole carbon credits trading has been a scam for years. Biofuels have lead to forests being cut down and less land for farming food, increasing the cost of food for poor people in some countries. Using palm oil replacements causes other problems. It's endless.
Probably the main reason the UK government are pushing a green agenda is for a way to keep the economy growing, and it's that 'required' growth which is why the world is in such a mess in the first place.
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Post by heworksardtho on Jun 26, 2021 13:12:03 GMT
What make me chuckle about all this green stuff is that we could be the most carbon neutral country in the world, but as an island we are a mere blip on the landscape compared to the size of the USA, Russia and China. We could clean our air but it would just drift away over europe and dirty air would replace it. Nothing will change until they change. We will build a huge gold fish bowl to cover Great Britain, all this zero carbon , going green , electric cars is all bullocks , these ppl who pay a fortune for Lecci cars don’t realise that once the warranty runs out replacement parts cost thousands and second hand value will be shite |
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Post by iancransonsknees on Jun 26, 2021 13:19:14 GMT
What make me chuckle about all this green stuff is that we could be the most carbon neutral country in the world, but as an island we are a mere blip on the landscape compared to the size of the USA, Russia and China. We could clean our air but it would just drift away over europe and dirty air would replace it. Nothing will change until they change. We will build a huge gold fish bowl to cover Great Britain, all this zero carbon , going green , electric cars is all bullocks , these ppl who pay a fortune for Lecci cars don’t realise that once the warranty runs out replacement parts cost thousands and second hand value will be shite Electric cars will be the new mobile phones. Subscription only. |
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Jun 26, 2021 13:24:46 GMT
It's something that will have zero impact on the lives of the wealthy elite but will absolutely hammer the poor/working class. Expect the modern day 'progressive' left, with their utter distain for the working class, to be the cheerleaders for it. Is climate change only due to happen in areas where rich folk live, or will it largely affect the poor/working class? |
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Post by iancransonsknees on Jun 26, 2021 13:34:28 GMT
It's something that will have zero impact on the lives of the wealthy elite but will absolutely hammer the poor/working class. Expect the modern day 'progressive' left, with their utter distain for the working class, to be the cheerleaders for it. Is climate change only due to happen in areas where rich folk live, or will it largely affect the poor/working class? There's a fortune to be made off it. |
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Post by mtrstudent on Jun 26, 2021 16:05:50 GMT
What make me chuckle about all this green stuff is that we could be the most carbon neutral country in the world, but as an island we are a mere blip on the landscape compared to the size of the USA, Russia and China. We could clean our air but it would just drift away over europe and dirty air would replace it. Nothing will change until they change. IMO it's more like how flat screens used to be really expensive, and at first only the rich were buying them. But because people were buying them, the factories got better at making them and now they're like 10 times cheaper. Same thing with green stuff. Every country that cuts its emissions will buy solar panels, wind turbines, batteries etc. That makes the price go down so the next country does it more cheaply. Germany did this with solar power and now it's pretty cheap. |
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Post by mtrstudent on Jun 26, 2021 16:14:25 GMT
It's something that will have zero impact on the lives of the wealthy elite but will absolutely hammer the poor/working class. Expect the modern day 'progressive' left, with their utter distain for the working class, to be the cheerleaders for it. Is climate change only due to happen in areas where rich folk live, or will it largely affect the poor/working class? I know people who've worked on this. One of the things they're worried about is that tich people have houses that are worth a lot of money, poor people don't. So when they're deciding where to build a sea wall or whatever, do you protect the neighbourhood with 50 rich people's £100 million worth of holiday homes, or the 200 poor people living in £10 million worth of houses? In the U.S. they'll probably protect New York but you're shit out of luck if you live in an old fishing town. At least New York is home to a lot of people and it's not just holiday homes. It could get really nasty when people realise how expensive this'll be. They're talking $120 billion for New York. |
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Post by mtrstudent on Jun 26, 2021 16:15:47 GMT
What make me chuckle about all this green stuff is that we could be the most carbon neutral country in the world, but as an island we are a mere blip on the landscape compared to the size of the USA, Russia and China. We could clean our air but it would just drift away over europe and dirty air would replace it. Nothing will change until they change. We will build a huge gold fish bowl to cover Great Britain, all this zero carbon , going green , electric cars is all bullocks , these ppl who pay a fortune for Lecci cars don’t realise that once the warranty runs out replacement parts cost thousands and second hand value will be shite I'm worried about the opposite. Electric cars so far are costing way less in maintenance. Like a lot. Mechanics are going to see loads less work. |
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Post by somersetstokie on Jun 26, 2021 16:29:17 GMT
I expect tyres will still be £70 + pounds or more.
Edit. Unless someone comes up with a plastic tyre. We will then probably be forever fishing them out of the World's oceans.
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Post by heworksardtho on Jun 26, 2021 19:51:21 GMT
We will build a huge gold fish bowl to cover Great Britain, all this zero carbon , going green , electric cars is all bullocks , these ppl who pay a fortune for Lecci cars don’t realise that once the warranty runs out replacement parts cost thousands and second hand value will be shite I'm worried about the opposite. Electric cars so far are costing way less in maintenance. Like a lot. Mechanics are going to see loads less work. The parts for them when they go wrong range anything up to £5000 , that’s what they not telling ppl , il keep me diesel guzzling 4x4 and the 430bhp RS in me garage |
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Post by mtrstudent on Jun 26, 2021 21:38:46 GMT
I'm worried about the opposite. Electric cars so far are costing way less in maintenance. Like a lot. Mechanics are going to see loads less work. The parts for them when they go wrong range anything up to £5000 , that’s what they not telling ppl , il keep me diesel guzzling 4x4 and the 430bhp RS in me garage I guess we'll have to wait and see. They've been tracking it in America and found so far electric owners are paying out half as much overall for maintenance. But Nissan messed up by trying passive cooling on the Leaf batteries. Awful idea that I don't think anyone else is copying? |
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Post by heworksardtho on Jun 26, 2021 22:19:36 GMT
The parts for them when they go wrong range anything up to £5000 , that’s what they not telling ppl , il keep me diesel guzzling 4x4 and the 430bhp RS in me garage I guess we'll have to wait and see. They've been tracking it in America and found so far electric owners are paying out half as much overall for maintenance. But Nissan messed up by trying passive cooling on the Leaf batteries. Awful idea that I don't think anyone else is copying? Yes they really inexpensive to service , but when a part like an inverter goes wrong it can cost £5 grand , a program I watched the guys invoice was for £8 grand because of failed parts |
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