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Post by dirtclod on Jun 25, 2021 17:24:58 GMT
And...bingo it's happened just like I thought it would: Wycombe owner promising to sue Derby. www.bbc.com/sport/football/57604421I don't blame Wycombe at all. $10-15 million would be enough to sink Derby for good - I'd say they are in HUGE trouble now.
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Post by lagwafis on Jun 25, 2021 18:24:38 GMT
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Post by somersetstokie on Jun 25, 2021 19:19:50 GMT
I expect taking that job would be like when the Labour MP, Liam Byrne, a politician who served as the Member of Parliament (MP) for Birmingham Hodge Hill, and when Labour were in power, deputised for Chancellor Alistair Darling at HM Treasury as Chief Secretary to the Treasury (from 2009 to 2010). Upon his departure as Chief Secretary to the Treasury, he notoriously left a note for his successor which read "I'm afraid there is no money".
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Post by SamB_SCFC on Jun 25, 2021 19:33:28 GMT
So how come Sheffield Wednesday got points deducted and Derby didn't? because they failed ffp and didnt try to hide it so the punishment was already set out, Derby have failed it but have tried to hide it inside player amortisation, when they resubmit the accounts they will no doubt fail ffp and be given a huge points deduction which will relegate them this season or maybe even worse..... it will be interesting as this is going to set new precedents for the administration of the game and the efl will make an example of Derby for the creative way they have cooked the books This makes me worried about our own situation. There's definitely a whiff of 'creative accounting' about our own finances and it wouldn't massively surprise me if people are talking about us in a year or so's time.
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Post by flea79 on Jun 25, 2021 19:36:40 GMT
because they failed ffp and didnt try to hide it so the punishment was already set out, Derby have failed it but have tried to hide it inside player amortisation, when they resubmit the accounts they will no doubt fail ffp and be given a huge points deduction which will relegate them this season or maybe even worse..... it will be interesting as this is going to set new precedents for the administration of the game and the efl will make an example of Derby for the creative way they have cooked the books This makes me worried about our own situation. There's definitely a whiff of 'creative accounting' about our own finances and it wouldn't massively surprise me if people are talking about us in a year or so's time. You would just hope we have not been so thick but the derby issues go back even further in relation to the valuation and sale of the ground
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Post by Bagwash on Jun 25, 2021 19:42:45 GMT
Wayne Rooney's Derby County at the moment....Derby County if they are relegated.
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Post by bolders on Jun 25, 2021 20:23:43 GMT
because they failed ffp and didnt try to hide it so the punishment was already set out, Derby have failed it but have tried to hide it inside player amortisation, when they resubmit the accounts they will no doubt fail ffp and be given a huge points deduction which will relegate them this season or maybe even worse..... it will be interesting as this is going to set new precedents for the administration of the game and the efl will make an example of Derby for the creative way they have cooked the books This makes me worried about our own situation. There's definitely a whiff of 'creative accounting' about our own finances and it wouldn't massively surprise me if people are talking about us in a year or so's time. We released a statement saying we had sat down with the EFL and sorted it out with them all in accordance with their rules and stipulations
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Post by bolders on Jun 25, 2021 20:24:11 GMT
Wayne Rooney's Derby County at the moment....Derby County if they are relegated. They can’t afford to sack him lol
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Post by somersetstokie on Jun 25, 2021 20:30:43 GMT
I don't follow these things, but I don't seem to hear much about Mrs Rooney at the moment, whatever her name is. Is she still around?
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Post by raythesailor on Jun 26, 2021 17:52:23 GMT
I spoke to a Derby Cty season ticket holder today that I know.
Very down and depressed. Quiet sad really.
According to him at this moment in time they only currently have nine players under contract and also a transfer embargo.!!
What a awful situation for any club to find itself in. At this moment in time they have a distinct possibility of relegation, and little or no hope of any positivity in the foreseeable future.
Surely any true football fan must feel sympathy for their fans ?
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Post by fullmetaljacket on Jun 26, 2021 17:56:36 GMT
I spoke to a Derby Cty season ticket holder today that I know. Very down and depressed. Quiet sad really. According to him at this moment in time they only currently have nine players under contract and also a transfer embargo.!! What a awful situation for any club to find itself in. At this moment in time they have a distinct possibility of relegation, and little or no hope of any positivity in the foreseeable future. Surely any true football fan must feel sympathy for their fans ? Not a jot for them sheep shaggers
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Post by loosestools on Jun 26, 2021 18:07:16 GMT
I spoke to a Derby Cty season ticket holder today that I know. Very down and depressed. Quiet sad really. According to him at this moment in time they only currently have nine players under contract and also a transfer embargo.!! What a awful situation for any club to find itself in. At this moment in time they have a distinct possibility of relegation, and little or no hope of any positivity in the foreseeable future. Surely any true football fan must feel sympathy for their fans ? Yes, their fans are good fans, like any true fans of any football club. I have a good friend who would die for the club. Mel Morris on the other hand is a twat and as for Rooney- enough said.
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Post by raythesailor on Jun 26, 2021 18:11:50 GMT
I spoke to a Derby Cty season ticket holder today that I know. Very down and depressed. Quiet sad really. According to him at this moment in time they only currently have nine players under contract and also a transfer embargo.!! What a awful situation for any club to find itself in. At this moment in time they have a distinct possibility of relegation, and little or no hope of any positivity in the foreseeable future. Surely any true football fan must feel sympathy for their fans ? Not a jot for them sheep shaggers Sheep Shaggers they may be , but they are also football fans as we are. Should our management completely mismanage our club would we not feel hard done by. ?
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Post by fullmetaljacket on Jun 26, 2021 18:14:31 GMT
Not a jot for them sheep shaggers Sheep Shaggers they may be , but they are also football fans as we are. Should our management completely mismanage our club would we not feel hard done by. ? Probably. Growing up around them fuckers though means they can go and get fucked
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Post by pieofpeter on Jun 26, 2021 18:17:10 GMT
With it being Wayne Rooney's Derby County is he paying all the Debts off?
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Post by Royal Donut on Jun 26, 2021 18:59:40 GMT
Because it isn’t sustainable that’s why you need FFP. Without FFP more clubs would overspend and go bust. What would you suggest in place of FFP? if a owner wants too spend at a loss that’s upto them.. but a wage cap would be better.. like up 25k for a championship player.. would be abit more of a level playing field an would stop idiots like us still paying 40/50 grand a week So what do you do with a team once relegated, lose the while team. Making the gap even bigger between us and the one above, meaning getting relegated is the worse thing ever. This would make the teams spend ridiculous more than they already do with the fear of going down.
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Post by Royal Donut on Jun 26, 2021 19:06:52 GMT
because they failed ffp and didnt try to hide it so the punishment was already set out, Derby have failed it but have tried to hide it inside player amortisation, when they resubmit the accounts they will no doubt fail ffp and be given a huge points deduction which will relegate them this season or maybe even worse..... it will be interesting as this is going to set new precedents for the administration of the game and the efl will make an example of Derby for the creative way they have cooked the books This makes me worried about our own situation. There's definitely a whiff of 'creative accounting' about our own finances and it wouldn't massively surprise me if people are talking about us in a year or so's time. I think the opposite, we didn't have say we lost 90m or whatever it was, which brought more attention to us, we had losses that didn't even effect FFP in them figures. One thing the owners are good at is been up front and paying their due. Hence bet365 paying the most tax in the uk,realistically they don't have to, loads of loop holes(I'm sure there must be a alteria motive, like allowing the gambling industry to carry on with the financial benefits for the government).
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Post by mowlee on Jun 26, 2021 19:11:36 GMT
if a owner wants too spend at a loss that’s upto them.. but a wage cap would be better.. like up 25k for a championship player.. would be abit more of a level playing field an would stop idiots like us still paying 40/50 grand a week So what do you do with a team once relegated, lose the while team. Making the gap even bigger between us and the one above, meaning getting relegated is the worse thing ever. This would make the teams spend ridiculous more than they already do with the fear of going down. no if a team was relegated u wouldn’t lose the team.. they would have a clause in their contract for the wage decrease.. players can’t just rip their contract up if they are relegated or getting a pay decrease.. the only way they could leave if another team put a bid in an it got accepted or if a players contract ran out.. makes sense too me
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Post by Royal Donut on Jun 26, 2021 19:17:44 GMT
So what do you do with a team once relegated, lose the while team. Making the gap even bigger between us and the one above, meaning getting relegated is the worse thing ever. This would make the teams spend ridiculous more than they already do with the fear of going down. no if a team was relegated u wouldn’t lose the team.. they would have a clause in their contract for the wage decrease.. players can’t just rip their contract up if they are relegated or getting a pay decrease.. the only way they could leave if another team put a bid in an it got accepted or if a players contract ran out.. makes sense too me No player would do that, they would do a shaquri, have a release clause saying they would have to go for a certain fee whatever that might be, or why would you sign for a relegation fighting team,knowing you could potentially lose 90% of your wage. If every league around the world did this then maybe it would work, but me personally wouldn't take the risk, once again making the big six even more tempting to stay, even if it was on the bench for years.
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Post by FranktheRabbit on Jul 1, 2021 16:33:53 GMT
Wow! Going to struggle this season.
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Post by maninasuitcase on Jul 1, 2021 16:50:23 GMT
Aren't they relegated yet?
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Post by Fred Merger on Jul 1, 2021 16:53:46 GMT
Oh dear.How sad. Never mind 😏
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Post by wrexhamstokie90 on Jul 1, 2021 16:59:55 GMT
They should resign Keogh
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Post by yyy on Jul 1, 2021 17:00:54 GMT
As if they've got that beilik, wouldn't mind us going in for him so they can pay some defenders
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Post by Goonie on Jul 2, 2021 12:41:16 GMT
Oh dear.How sad. Never mind 😏
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2021 13:36:06 GMT
no if a team was relegated u wouldn’t lose the team.. they would have a clause in their contract for the wage decrease.. players can’t just rip their contract up if they are relegated or getting a pay decrease.. the only way they could leave if another team put a bid in an it got accepted or if a players contract ran out.. makes sense too me No player would do that, they would do a shaquri, have a release clause saying they would have to go for a certain fee whatever that might be, or why would you sign for a relegation fighting team,knowing you could potentially lose 90% of your wage. If every league around the world did this then maybe it would work, but me personally wouldn't take the risk, once again making the big six even more tempting to stay, even if it was on the bench for years. Typically these clauses are said to be around 25%. They are apparently common practice, which makes sense. Shaqiri, I felt, was an exception to the rule as he was a very big coup, so we kind of just bent over backwards to sign.
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Post by cymap on Jul 2, 2021 16:34:07 GMT
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Post by thevoid on Jul 2, 2021 17:09:05 GMT
I hope Wycombe sue the arse off them
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Post by fullmetaljacket on Jul 2, 2021 17:11:15 GMT
So a poxy 100k fine then...Crap.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jul 2, 2021 17:31:49 GMT
Sounds like the EFL decided to help one of the bigger boys over one of the minnows, what a surprise.
£100k! If I was Wycombe I'd be fuming, and I don't imagine Wigan are that impressed either...
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