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Post by stokesupporter on Apr 10, 2021 18:44:34 GMT
It always amazes me when I see Teemu Pukki playing and think that he is the same age than our Sam Vokes. Pukki's working rate, pace and power are like from the different planet, while Vokes just basicly walks and jogs on the pitch.
To say that our playing style doesn't suit him isn't really the reason why hes so unefficient - it's simply because of his legs are compeletely gone, he cant sprint, can't jump. Is that due his physics or his motivation, or both? Also his body language seems to suggests that he's not really intrested in playing anymore. Still, he is only 31 which I find staggering.
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Post by crapslinger on Apr 10, 2021 18:44:57 GMT
Maybe the only thing missing is how the heck are we going to get rid of him if he does not play ? Maybe Michael is praying he finds a way to score some goals so that someone will take him off our hands ✌ Another shipped out on loan next season to some far flung corner of Turkey with McClean and the rest of the complete garbage we have accumulated in the past four years.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Apr 10, 2021 18:46:29 GMT
Why does he keep using him? Has to be some kind of contract clause Why must it, why can't it just be a poor manager that keeps picking an ineffective player, it wouldn't be the first time.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Apr 10, 2021 18:49:53 GMT
Has to be some kind of contract clause Why must it, why can't it just be a poor manager that keeps picking an ineffective player, it wouldn't be the first time. Just a suggestion mate and I personally believe it’s pretty close to the truth. It must go on in the game!
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Post by boskampsflaps on Apr 10, 2021 19:03:49 GMT
Why must it, why can't it just be a poor manager that keeps picking an ineffective player, it wouldn't be the first time. Just a suggestion mate and I personally believe it’s pretty close to the truth. It must go on in the game! I think its just an easy get out, rather than actually saying its down to the manager. Maybe it does happen but if so what do you think it says, that he has to play if fit even if its only for 10 mins at a time? Seems a little pointless to me.
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Post by crapslinger on Apr 10, 2021 19:16:30 GMT
Why must it, why can't it just be a poor manager that keeps picking an ineffective player, it wouldn't be the first time. Just a suggestion mate and I personally believe it’s pretty close to the truth. It must go on in the game! I honestly wouldn't be surprised if Scholes had allowed this in his contract.
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Post by shakermaker on Apr 10, 2021 19:43:43 GMT
Just a suggestion mate and I personally believe it’s pretty close to the truth. It must go on in the game! I honestly wouldn't be surprised if Scholes had allowed this in his contract. I don’t think there’s a guaranteed selection clause, otherwise he’d have insisted on starting rather than just coming on as a sub. I honestly think MON just puts him on because he thinks there’s no-one else and there’s nothing to lose. He doesn’t seem to want to blood Norton because he’s nurturing his development.
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Post by hooftastic on Apr 10, 2021 19:49:54 GMT
Think someone needs to recreate the Mama Vs Wheelie Bin experiment
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2021 19:50:44 GMT
He fulfills his contractual obligations to us - and scfc fulfill theirs to him. That's all there is to it.
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Post by milky on Apr 10, 2021 19:58:31 GMT
The Sam Vokes of 2 or 3 seasons ago would have been a decent signing.
The ship has long since sailed though and he can't really do the things he was good at anymore.
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Post by 1982stokie on Apr 10, 2021 20:24:33 GMT
He offers absolutely nothing, you could probably count on one hand the useful things he has done for us in the whole time he has been with us.
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Post by scfcwebby on Apr 10, 2021 21:09:59 GMT
Why does Fletcher never get his own thread? Ageing, injury prone, always offside, hardly ever fit and having a dwindling effect on the first team? To be fair, we could have a thread like this for 80% of the squad at the moment
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2021 21:36:14 GMT
Why does Fletcher never get his own thread? Ageing, injury prone, always offside, hardly ever fit and having a dwindling effect on the first team? Bit harsh. Fletcher at present is a decent standard Championship striker. He doesn't often perform well in games like today though (against 3 bulky central defenders). A better striking option is needed in the summer. I would be more than happy having the Fletcher of this season coming on as a sub next year/starting less than the majority.
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Post by J-Roar on Apr 10, 2021 21:47:57 GMT
Just a suggestion mate and I personally believe it’s pretty close to the truth. It must go on in the game! I think its just an easy get out, rather than actually saying its down to the manager. Maybe it does happen but if so what do you think it says, that he has to play if fit even if its only for 10 mins at a time? Seems a little pointless to me. Couldn't he play him for the first 10 and then take him off. Much less happens at the start compared to the last 10 mins.
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Post by Olgrligm on Apr 10, 2021 21:53:21 GMT
Here we go again blaming Vokes ....The tactics are shit yet he continues with the same ones, 3 at the back when 2 down and creating nothing , Vokes is poor yet he continues to use him over others, the same lazy subs with the same lazy tactics ....it’s wank Vokes has hardly played since Christmas yet others go under the radar why I’ve no fucking idea Absolutely not the intention of the thread and I'm disappointed that it's turned out that way, to an extent. My point was more that Vokes is now pretty much guaranteed to make a sub appearance at some point, often as the manager's first throw of the dice. He's no fool and has forgotten more about football than I will probably ever know, so what is it that Vokes does that makes him think that he's the man to turn to when we're winning, losing or drawing?
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Post by bucknall67 on Apr 10, 2021 22:03:25 GMT
Eat??
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Post by erogenous on Apr 10, 2021 22:14:04 GMT
Sam vokes is the below average fat/big kid or bloke in your Sunday league team.
He doesn't really contribute anything, he's on the bench as he turns up each week on time and will sit on the bench without kicking off.
I imagine the Managers instruction is also probably Sunday league with something like... Hey Sam there's 15 minutes left put yourself about and be a nuisance.
This would be kind of OK if he didn't cost or earn an eye-watering amount of money for not being able to even do his job properly for ten mins on a weekend. As at the minute it's tragically comical.
...... This is unless he needs something we are not providing like crosses directly to his head and maybe someone chuck him in the air like a rugby union line out and he's actually mint but I doubt it!!
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Post by march4 on Apr 10, 2021 22:26:05 GMT
Did he touch the ball today?
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Post by hyaduck on Apr 10, 2021 23:55:44 GMT
Don’t blame Vokes, blame O’Neill, he keeps picking him. O’Neill OUT!
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Post by cheadlestokie on Apr 11, 2021 0:07:12 GMT
I cannot remember him making any contribution whenever he has come on as sub all season. I have been a supporter of the Manager overall but I am starting to wonder why he puts this player on the bench,never mind on the pitch. I know we have had our share of injuries but nevertheless Vokes has never helped him. Overall the experienced players have not helped him. I really would prefer it if the likes of Ba’ath Chester Vokes and Fletcher are either not in the squad or only on the bench.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Apr 11, 2021 0:26:08 GMT
Why does he keep using him? Because the manager has no balls.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2021 0:57:32 GMT
Did he touch the ball today? He doesn't even have to, watch him when the ball is at the other end (our goalmouth). Contrary to what is said above, he does keep moving about and that keeps two opposition defenders busy. If on the other hand we sent on a defender for Fletcher/Powell, and we often have this season as a result of MON's defeatist mentality, at least one and probably both those opposition defenders are free to join their attack in some or full measure, and then the substitution becomes a quasi own goal as the opposition scores in the dying minutes.
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Post by mtrstudent on Apr 11, 2021 1:21:18 GMT
We don’t have anybody else do we. I actually feel sorry for Sam Vokes, this situation must be destroying the bloke, surely both parties realise this? I'd bloody hate to be in Big Sam's spot. He's useless in our system and seems broken, it's like putting me in an orchestra ffs.
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Post by Goonie on Apr 11, 2021 6:44:42 GMT
I defended MON bringing him on a while back, just because he was the only other experienced, physical striker we had. He must have known all along that he's a shadow of the player he was physically, and maybe not even a Football League-standard player at this point. But he also knew there was no choice of shifting him until the end of his deal and we are probably on the hook for £1.5m-a-year, with no chance of putting him in a 1-man bomb squad for 18 months. Anyone who has seen him play this season, at any level, wouldn't touch him with a barge pole. So I think you could have made some kind of case while there were no other options and the games were theoretically meaningful. Now though, there's no excuse at all for ever letting him see the grass. Norton looks bright and not intimidated. He may or may not have a future at this level - but there's nothing to be gained by seeing Vokes amble around for one second more in these dead rubber games Its cruel for the man. Current ability and productivity aside he seems to be joining a long list of strikers we've ruined over the last decade or so Perhaps his main role is scapegoat as even a brief cameo will bring derision from supporters, deflecting away from the rest of the team?
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Post by loosestools on Apr 11, 2021 6:49:11 GMT
Current ability and productivity aside he seems to be joining a long list of strikers we've ruined over the last decade or so Perhaps his main role is scapegoat as even a brief cameo will bring derision from supporters, deflecting away from the rest of the team? Even I think that's really scraping the barrel of justification.
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Post by crapslinger on Apr 11, 2021 9:54:13 GMT
He fulfills his contractual obligations to us - and scfc fulfill theirs to him. That's all there is to it. Does his contract also state professional footballer if so he isn't. Who carried out the due diligence when we signed this lump of deadwood for £9m ?
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Post by milky on Apr 11, 2021 11:01:39 GMT
I don't even think there is any point in criticism towards him anymore.
When he comes on around 65/70 mark almost every game you know exactly what you're going to get.
If we are lucky he will just be completely anonymous, if not his cumbersome play will result in numerous free kicks given away.
He is done ,and the bloke that keeps sticking him on the pitch is the one that needs to be scrutinised.
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Post by kustokie on Apr 11, 2021 12:11:05 GMT
Vokes scored 56 goals in 230 appearances at burnley. Other than that he has averaged about a goal every 7 or 8. There was a reason Dyche let him go before his contract expired - cash in and get him off the books. Classic example of making a poor employee someone else’s problem.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2021 12:38:24 GMT
He fulfills his contractual obligations to us - and scfc fulfill theirs to him. That's all there is to it. Does his contract also state professional footballer if so he isn't. Who carried out the due diligence when we signed this lump of deadwood for £9m ? It's not his fault if we failed in that regard.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 11, 2021 12:41:06 GMT
Does his contract also state professional footballer if so he isn't. Who carried out the due diligence when we signed this lump of deadwood for £9m ? It's not his fault if we failed in that regard. Indeed. It’s fair to say when I’m slagging off Sam Vokes, it’s really a dig at the bloke who’s playing him, the bloke who signed him or the bloke that allowed 7m to be spent on him.
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