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Post by partickpotter on Jun 3, 2021 17:43:48 GMT
Bit left field maybe but perhaps Stokes should have a crack at 3 and further reduce his bowling workload. Just a thought. Sibley should be dropped, simple as that. Not really left field , I think as time goes on that may well happen as Stokes ‘s body begins to show its age and Curran begins to establish a regular place in the side .I have to say that I’m not a great fan of Sibley . I don’t see Curran has much future in test cricket - not good enough with bat or ball to merit a place. That’s Sam. Well, either actually.
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Post by partickpotter on Jun 3, 2021 17:46:47 GMT
good comeback from Burns and Root. Really need to build on it tomorrow morning Root looks good... then again he always does. Burns still doesn’t convince. He always looks like he can get out at any point. I think once again we will need a big knock from Root to have any chance of getting anything out of this test - which includes a draw, which I’d take a just now.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jun 3, 2021 17:54:23 GMT
Not really left field , I think as time goes on that may well happen as Stokes ‘s body begins to show its age and Curran begins to establish a regular place in the side .I have to say that I’m not a great fan of Sibley . I don’t see Curran has much future in test cricket - not good enough with bat or ball to merit a place. That’s Sam. Well, either actually. Sam’s got some nuts I think he’ll be around the squad for years to come. Tom, absolutely no chance. Is Woakes injured? Speaking of bowling all rounders
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jun 3, 2021 17:56:05 GMT
good comeback from Burns and Root. Really need to build on it tomorrow morning Root looks good... then again he always does. Burns still doesn’t convince. He always looks like he can get out at any point. I think once again we will need a big knock from Root to have any chance of getting anything out of this test - which includes a draw, which I’d take a just now. To be fair to Burns he seems to make a score when people question his place. Good temperament I think. Just needs to concentrate more consistently. Sibley just has major flaws all over the place
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Post by partickpotter on Jun 3, 2021 18:00:13 GMT
I don’t see Curran has much future in test cricket - not good enough with bat or ball to merit a place. That’s Sam. Well, either actually. Sam’s got some nuts I think he’ll be around the squad for years to come. Tom, absolutely no chance. Is Woakes injured? Speaking of bowling all rounders Woakes is one of the IPL group of players, including Buttler, not considered for this series.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2021 18:04:51 GMT
Not really left field , I think as time goes on that may well happen as Stokes ‘s body begins to show its age and Curran begins to establish a regular place in the side .I have to say that I’m not a great fan of Sibley . I don’t see Curran has much future in test cricket - not good enough with bat or ball to merit a place. That’s Sam. Well, either actually. Well we will have to disagree on that one , I think Sam Curran has plenty of talent to make it , his bowling could use a little bit more pace and he can certainly bat ...He’s a good cricketer still only a lad really , it’s up to him .
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2021 18:12:55 GMT
Root looks good... then again he always does. Burns still doesn’t convince. He always looks like he can get out at any point. I think once again we will need a big knock from Root to have any chance of getting anything out of this test - which includes a draw, which I’d take a just now. To be fair to Burns he seems to make a score when people question his place. Good temperament I think. Just needs to concentrate more consistently. Sibley just has major flaws all over the place There is nothing wrong with Burns temperament just his technique with that pick up he looks like a magician waving a wand ! It really stops him playing as straight as he should be . He makes me nervous watching him , he hasn’t done too badly I suppose but you don’t see a career full of big scores on the horizon .
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jun 3, 2021 18:13:55 GMT
Sam’s got some nuts I think he’ll be around the squad for years to come. Tom, absolutely no chance. Is Woakes injured? Speaking of bowling all rounders Woakes is one of the IPL group of players, including Buttler, not considered for this series. Ah ok never thought👍🏻
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jun 3, 2021 18:20:53 GMT
Sam’s got some nuts I think he’ll be around the squad for years to come. Tom, absolutely no chance. Is Woakes injured? Speaking of bowling all rounders Woakes is one of the IPL group of players, including Buttler, not considered for this series. Shame that as i’m a massive fan of Woakes. Very underrated. Mainly because we have Stokes overshadowing him.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jun 3, 2021 18:24:12 GMT
Woakes is one of the IPL group of players, including Buttler, not considered for this series. Shame that as i’m a massive fan of Woakes. Very underrated. Mainly because we have Stokes overshadowing him. Steady Eddie He’s in that small bracket of players who are equally as good with the bat and the ball. He actually has a better batting technique than most of our top order
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jun 3, 2021 18:33:22 GMT
Shame that as i’m a massive fan of Woakes. Very underrated. Mainly because we have Stokes overshadowing him. Steady Eddie He’s in that small bracket of players who are equally as good with the bat and the ball. He actually has a better batting technique than most of our top order Damn fine bowler too.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2021 21:36:22 GMT
Steady Eddie He’s in that small bracket of players who are equally as good with the bat and the ball. He actually has a better batting technique than most of our top order Damn fine bowler too. He is indeed and but for the long reign of Anderson and Broad would have played many more tests and could have 150 to 200 wickets by now , his batting while not being quite genuine all rounder class is a bonus .
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Post by chuckrocky on Jun 3, 2021 21:41:59 GMT
As I feared it appears the ECB will make an example of Robinson. Utterly ridiculous.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jun 3, 2021 22:31:10 GMT
As I feared it appears the ECB will make an example of Robinson. Utterly ridiculous. What an absolute joke, hopefully they’ll see sense. Simon Doull spoke very well about the situation on Sky sports and even Rainford Brent stuck up for him. Leave the guy alone, if every last thing anyone had ever said was made public we’d all be fucked!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2021 22:42:14 GMT
As I feared it appears the ECB will make an example of Robinson. Utterly ridiculous. What an absolute joke, hopefully they’ll see sense. Simon Doull spoke very well about the situation on Sky sports and even Rainford Brent stuck up for him. Leave the guy alone, if every last thing anyone had ever said was made public we’d all be fucked! Ludicrous ...He was only a lad when he made those tweets , it’s water under the bridge , the media has to keep digging , they have probably destroyed this lads International career .
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Post by partickpotter on Jun 4, 2021 6:06:23 GMT
What an absolute joke, hopefully they’ll see sense. Simon Doull spoke very well about the situation on Sky sports and even Rainford Brent stuck up for him. Leave the guy alone, if every last thing anyone had ever said was made public we’d all be fucked! Ludicrous ...He was only a lad when he made those tweets , it’s water under the bridge , the media has to keep digging , they have probably destroyed this lads International career . I think the ECB approach, if indeed that is what they do, makes sense. It’s a way to draw a line on the incident that really makes no difference. Doing nothing leaves the subject open to more media debate which would be worse IMO. As regards Robinson’s future prospects, this affair may well help him. This is because under great pressure on day 2 he produced another confident, accomplished performance. The selectors will have noted his resilience and liked it. The biggest challenge to his England future is more down to the selection foibles of the selectors and how they perm 3 quicks from the 7 or 8 good players available to them (noting Stokes occupies the 4th seamer slot when he returns).
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Post by partickpotter on Jun 4, 2021 6:35:04 GMT
I don’t see Curran has much future in test cricket - not good enough with bat or ball to merit a place. That’s Sam. Well, either actually. Well we will have to disagree on that one , I think Sam Curran has plenty of talent to make it , his bowling could use a little bit more pace and he can certainly bat ...He’s a good cricketer still only a lad really , it’s up to him . His batting has potential, but needs a lot of work. Maybe his country should play him up the order, say at #4 (as #3 should be taken by Pope!) and give him the chance to really develop that side of his game. His bowling has less promise. He is just a (slow) medium pacer whose edge is early swing with the new ball from left are over particularly to right handlers. Two things though. After that first spell he offers very little with the ball, and there are plenty of other, better options for using the new ball. He reminds me of David Willey. A very good cricketer, capable of match winning performances on his day. But not quite good enough to be a regular international. His only real hope for a sustained international career is to focus on becoming a high class top order batsman who can offer a handy bowling option.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2021 7:48:30 GMT
Well we will have to disagree on that one , I think Sam Curran has plenty of talent to make it , his bowling could use a little bit more pace and he can certainly bat ...He’s a good cricketer still only a lad really , it’s up to him . His batting has potential, but needs a lot of work. Maybe his country should play him up the order, say at #4 (as #3 should be taken by Pope!) and give him the chance to really develop that side of his game. His bowling has less promise. He is just a (slow) medium pacer whose edge is early swing with the new ball from left are over particularly to right handlers. Two things though. After that first spell he offers very little with the ball, and there are plenty of other, better options for using the new ball. He reminds me of David Willey. A very good cricketer, capable of match winning performances on his day. But not quite good enough to be a regular international. His only real hope for a sustained international career is to focus on becoming a high class top order batsman who can offer a handy bowling option. He had the potential to be a high class batsman , there is time for his bowling to develop .Very few All rounders in the history of the game have been “ genuine “ they shine one way or the other , our problem is we don’t regard all rounders in that way, we think that it’s necessary for them to be a front line bowler ...if you haven’t got one well you haven’t got one ! Look at the ridiculous situation back in the day when Derek Pringle played 50 tests ! David Capel was another , only time will tell .
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Post by partickpotter on Jun 4, 2021 9:10:51 GMT
His batting has potential, but needs a lot of work. Maybe his country should play him up the order, say at #4 (as #3 should be taken by Pope!) and give him the chance to really develop that side of his game. His bowling has less promise. He is just a (slow) medium pacer whose edge is early swing with the new ball from left are over particularly to right handlers. Two things though. After that first spell he offers very little with the ball, and there are plenty of other, better options for using the new ball. He reminds me of David Willey. A very good cricketer, capable of match winning performances on his day. But not quite good enough to be a regular international. His only real hope for a sustained international career is to focus on becoming a high class top order batsman who can offer a handy bowling option. He had the potential to be a high class batsman , there is time for his bowling to develop .Very few All rounders in the history of the game have been “ genuine “ they shine one way or the other , our problem is we don’t regard all rounders in that way, we think that it’s necessary for them to be a front line bowler ...if you haven’t got one well you haven’t got one ! Look at the ridiculous situation back in the day when Derek Pringle played 50 tests ! David Capel was another , only time will tell . Indeed. A bona fide all rounder, good enough to be picked as a batsman or as a bowler is a very rare beast. Botham was one. I’m not sure we have had another since... Stokes isn’t a good enough bowler while Flintoff wasn’t good enough with the bat. Botham could easily bat in the top 5 and be given the new ball. You wouldn’t give Stokes the new ball and you wouldn’t bat Flintoff higher than 6. So what that means usually an all rounder is either a batting all rounder or a bowling all rounder. The batting all rounder is good enough to bat in the top 5 (although may well bat at 6) but needs his bowling to be good enough to be a 4th seamer or a 2nd spinner (that latter isn’t often needed!). The bowling all rounder needs to be good enough to open the bowling (or be the #1 spinner) and to bat at 6 or 7 (ie better than a #8). It’s a tough ask - but it should be. Otherwise you do what Australia generally did in their period of dominance and go with a 4 man bowling attack and 6 specialist batsmen. Whatever you do you don’t pick folk who are ok with bat and ball as if a half plus a half equals one. It doesn’t. It equals zero in that you waste a space in the team.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2021 10:56:59 GMT
He had the potential to be a high class batsman , there is time for his bowling to develop .Very few All rounders in the history of the game have been “ genuine “ they shine one way or the other , our problem is we don’t regard all rounders in that way, we think that it’s necessary for them to be a front line bowler ...if you haven’t got one well you haven’t got one ! Look at the ridiculous situation back in the day when Derek Pringle played 50 tests ! David Capel was another , only time will tell . Indeed. A bona fide all rounder, good enough to be picked as a batsman or as a bowler is a very rare beast. Botham was one. I’m not sure we have had another since... Stokes isn’t a good enough bowler while Flintoff wasn’t good enough with the bat. Botham could easily bat in the top 5 and be given the new ball. You wouldn’t give Stokes the new ball and you wouldn’t bat Flintoff higher than 6. So what that means usually an all rounder is either a batting all rounder or a bowling all rounder. The batting all rounder is good enough to bat in the top 5 (although may well bat at 6) but needs his bowling to be good enough to be a 4th seamer or a 2nd spinner (that latter isn’t often needed!). The bowling all rounder needs to be good enough to open the bowling (or be the #1 spinner) and to bat at 6 or 7 (ie better than a #8). It’s a tough ask - but it should be. Otherwise you do what Australia generally did in their period of dominance and go with a 4 man bowling attack and 6 specialist batsmen. Whatever you do you don’t pick folk who are ok with bat and ball as if a half plus a half equals one. It doesn’t. It equals zero in that you waste a space in the team. As we have done many times over the years ....I’m never happy about going into a contest without having the option of a spinner.I admit that our options on that front as ever seem to be very limited , but the added variety is invaluable on good pitches even if it’s not spinning , that said in the end are you better just playing your five best bowlers ? Possibly ? That’s why I like the option of Curran left arm over is always useful and not a form of attack that many batsmen enjoy ...he’s not the finished item I admit .
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Post by murphthesurf on Jun 4, 2021 15:00:52 GMT
Test Match on 4th August --- at Old Trafford or Trent Bridge???Crispy's booked to go to a Test Match on 4th August - he thinks it's at Old Trafford but says it could be at Trent Bridge - (his oppo and he always go to one each year and the other chap always orders the tickets, but is a big vague ! hence the current lack of precise details). Anyone else going? Dees, I recall that you and Crispy were booked to go to the same Test once - I think it was a couple of years ago, but I have a feeling you had to cancel quite late-ish and couldn't go. EDIT: Correction: Should be 'BIT vague' Thank you, Badge!
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jun 4, 2021 16:02:04 GMT
Test Match on 4th August --- at Old Trafford or Trent Bridge???Crispy's booked to go to a Test Match on 4th August - he thinks it's at Old Trafford but says it could be at Trent Bridge - (his oppo and he always go to one each year and the other chap always orders the tickets, but is a big vague ! hence the current lack of precise details). Anyone else going? Dees, I recall that you and Crispy were booked to go to the same Test once - I think it was a couple of years ago, but I have a feeling you had to cancel quite late-ish and couldn't go. Is a big vague the same as a portly vagrant?😉
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jun 4, 2021 16:03:07 GMT
Test Match on 4th August --- at Old Trafford or Trent Bridge???Crispy's booked to go to a Test Match on 4th August - he thinks it's at Old Trafford but says it could be at Trent Bridge - (his oppo and he always go to one each year and the other chap always orders the tickets, but is a big vague ! hence the current lack of precise details). Anyone else going? Dees, I recall that you and Crispy were booked to go to the same Test once - I think it was a couple of years ago, but I have a feeling you had to cancel quite late-ish and couldn't go. It’s at Trent Bridge versus India Murph👍🏻
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Post by partickpotter on Jun 4, 2021 17:35:07 GMT
The weather is set fine... With a forecast like that I think I’d want a proper spinner in the side. Never trust the BBC.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jun 4, 2021 17:41:03 GMT
The weather is set fine... With a forecast like that I think I’d want a proper spinner in the side. Never trust the BBC. I think that’s well established across all sectors of the BBC Partick😉 Although the weather forecast was my last remaining hope for them, now that’s gone as well😉
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Post by murphthesurf on Jun 4, 2021 17:44:28 GMT
Test Match on 4th August --- at Old Trafford or Trent Bridge???Crispy's booked to go to a Test Match on 4th August - he thinks it's at Old Trafford but says it could be at Trent Bridge - (his oppo and he always go to one each year and the other chap always orders the tickets, but is a big vague ! hence the current lack of precise details). Dees, I recall that you and Crispy were booked to go to the same Test once - I think it was a couple of years ago, but I have a feeling you had to cancel quite late-ish and couldn't go. Is a big vague the same as a portly vagrant?😉 Oh, bugger, I meant to put a BIT vague!!!!!!! Now corrected - thanks, Badge. No, by the way, he's an absent-minded professor!
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Post by murphthesurf on Jun 4, 2021 17:47:59 GMT
Test Match on 4th August --- at Old Trafford or Trent Bridge???Crispy's booked to go to a Test Match on 4th August - he thinks it's at Old Trafford but says it could be at Trent Bridge - (his oppo and he always go to one each year and the other chap always orders the tickets, but is a big vague ! hence the current lack of precise details). It’s at Trent Bridge versus India Murph👍🏻 Thx, dude. xxx I'll tell the Crisp on the morning when he sets out. He thought it was at OT!
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jun 4, 2021 17:50:43 GMT
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Post by murphthesurf on Jun 4, 2021 17:53:28 GMT
By the way, maybe next year, when this plague has hopefully really eased, a bunch of you Oatie Cricket chaps ought to arrange to get together to hire a coach or sth, for an away-day at one of the Test Matches. Owzat!
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jun 4, 2021 18:08:22 GMT
By the way, maybe next year, when this plague has hopefully really eased, a bunch of you Oatie Cricket chaps ought to arrange to get together to hire a coach or sth, for an away-day at one of the Test Matches. Owzat! I’m sure scfcbiancorossi, rednwhitenblue, cobham, Partick, Momo, Prestwich etc would have a great time together chewing the fat😉
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