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Post by GeneralFaye on Sept 6, 2021 19:01:07 GMT
Mahmood is injured, or so I heard on TMS earlier. We’re looking a bit on the ground in the bowling department in that case. We could possibly see someone uncapped called up depending on the extent of Overton’s injury. It's looking like Wood for Overton and asking Anderson and Robinson to go again. I wasn't keen on Anderson playing in the 4th test because I don't think the Oval suits him and he had his home ground after but what do I know?!
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Sept 6, 2021 19:01:43 GMT
Mahmood is injured, or so I heard on TMS earlier. We’re looking a bit on the ground in the bowling department in that case. We could possibly see someone uncapped called up depending on the extent of Overton’s injury. Last week our seamers were the best thing since sliced bread! It happens, we lose, move on. They’re all decent bowlers in the right conditions like anyone else
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Post by GeneralFaye on Sept 6, 2021 19:26:09 GMT
We’re looking a bit on the ground in the bowling department in that case. We could possibly see someone uncapped called up depending on the extent of Overton’s injury. Last week our seamers were the best thing since sliced bread! It happens, we lose, move on. They’re all decent bowlers in the right conditions like anyone else Their ability isn't the concern, their fitness is.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Sept 6, 2021 19:41:47 GMT
It's a pity we can't make wholesale changes for the final Test, because the only players I'd pick from this Test, are Hammeed, Root, Pope, Robinson and Anderson.
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Post by chuckrocky on Sept 6, 2021 19:46:35 GMT
We’re looking a bit on the ground in the bowling department in that case. We could possibly see someone uncapped called up depending on the extent of Overton’s injury. Last week our seamers were the best thing since sliced bread! It happens, we lose, move on. They’re all decent bowlers in the right conditions like anyone else I agree but Anderson and Robinson look absolutely cooked. I think one of them at best plays at Old Trafford.
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Post by neckender78 on Sept 6, 2021 19:52:26 GMT
It's a pity we can't make wholesale changes for the final Test, because the only players I'd pick from this Test, are Hammeed, Root, Pope, Robertson and Anderson. Surely Woakes as well? Pitiful but predictable how the last day ended up going. Don't think anyone has any faith in our batting line up (Root exempt) to deliver under any kind of sustained pressure
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Post by prestwichpotter on Sept 6, 2021 19:54:48 GMT
Last week our seamers were the best thing since sliced bread! It happens, we lose, move on. They’re all decent bowlers in the right conditions like anyone else I agree but Anderson and Robinson look absolutely cooked. I think one of them at best plays at Old Trafford. The talk was that Robinson was to be rested at some point and I thought this would be the test, our injury woes in the bowling department have come home to roost. Shame it's not forecast to be massively grey and overcast we could have drafted in the legend that is Darren Stevens........
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Post by prestwichpotter on Sept 7, 2021 11:05:06 GMT
Buttler and Leach added to the squad, no Parkinson:
Joe Root (capt), Moeen Ali, James Anderson, Jonny Bairstow (wk), Rory Burns, Jos Buttler (wk), Sam Curran, Haseeb Hameed, Dan Lawrence, Jack Leach, Dawid Malan, Craig Overton, Ollie Pope, Ollie Robinson, Chris Woakes, Mark Wood.
I would go with the following:
Hameed Burns Malan Root Pope Buttler Woakes Robinson Wood Leach Anderson
They will pick Moeen instead of Leach though........
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Post by chuckrocky on Sept 7, 2021 11:35:25 GMT
Buttler and Leach added to the squad, no Parkinson: Joe Root (capt), Moeen Ali, James Anderson, Jonny Bairstow (wk), Rory Burns, Jos Buttler (wk), Sam Curran, Haseeb Hameed, Dan Lawrence, Jack Leach, Dawid Malan, Craig Overton, Ollie Pope, Ollie Robinson, Chris Woakes, Mark Wood. I would go with the following: Hameed Burns Malan Root Pope Buttler Woakes Robinson Wood Leach Anderson They will pick Moeen instead of Leach though........ Lovely, our average wicket keeper who doesn’t score runs is back to replace our other average wicket keeper who doesn’t score runs. I think Mo will be extremely lucky to keep his place. He’s done nothing with that and even less with the ball. Him going at 4.5 an over in the second innings was a massive problem for us.
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Post by partickpotter on Sept 7, 2021 11:48:20 GMT
Buttler and Leach added to the squad, no Parkinson: Joe Root (capt), Moeen Ali, James Anderson, Jonny Bairstow (wk), Rory Burns, Jos Buttler (wk), Sam Curran, Haseeb Hameed, Dan Lawrence, Jack Leach, Dawid Malan, Craig Overton, Ollie Pope, Ollie Robinson, Chris Woakes, Mark Wood. I would go with the following: Hameed Burns Malan Root Pope Buttler Woakes Robinson Wood Leach Anderson They will pick Moeen instead of Leach though........ Strange bringing back Buttler because you’d imagine that means he plays and, as your selection shows, Bairstow misses out on the basis that the openers have done enough to keep their places. Malan and Pope are only just in the side and both have scored runs. That leaves Bairstow left standing when the music stops. Unless we opt for a 4 man bowling attack with Root as a 5th bowler and have Bairstow at 6. This might mean they go with Leach instead of Mo if they want a specialist spinner - which you’d imagine they’d want at Old Trafford. Thinking along similar lines if we go for 5 bowlers, as you have done, they might play both Mo and Leach and go with just three seamers ie Woakes and two others. I have a hunch they’ll go for the first of those.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Sept 7, 2021 12:36:09 GMT
Buttler and Leach added to the squad, no Parkinson: Joe Root (capt), Moeen Ali, James Anderson, Jonny Bairstow (wk), Rory Burns, Jos Buttler (wk), Sam Curran, Haseeb Hameed, Dan Lawrence, Jack Leach, Dawid Malan, Craig Overton, Ollie Pope, Ollie Robinson, Chris Woakes, Mark Wood. I would go with the following: Hameed Burns Malan Root Pope Buttler Woakes Robinson Wood Leach Anderson They will pick Moeen instead of Leach though........ Strange bringing back Buttler because you’d imagine that means he plays and, as your selection shows, Bairstow misses out on the basis that the openers have done enough to keep their places. Malan and Pope are only just in the side and both have scored runs. That leaves Bairstow left standing when the music stops. Unless we opt for a 4 man bowling attack with Root as a 5th bowler and have Bairstow at 6. This might mean they go with Leach instead of Mo if they want a specialist spinner - which you’d imagine they’d want at Old Trafford. Thinking along similar lines if we go for 5 bowlers, as you have done, they might play both Mo and Leach and go with just three seamers ie Woakes and two others. I have a hunch they’ll go for the first of those. Old Trafford with the weather forecast for the next week would be ideal for an attack of 3 seamers and 2 spinners, but you would want Parkinson in on his own ground for the X factor if that was the case surely? Moeen's lack of control has become a massive issue.......
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Post by partickpotter on Sept 7, 2021 13:03:59 GMT
Strange bringing back Buttler because you’d imagine that means he plays and, as your selection shows, Bairstow misses out on the basis that the openers have done enough to keep their places. Malan and Pope are only just in the side and both have scored runs. That leaves Bairstow left standing when the music stops. Unless we opt for a 4 man bowling attack with Root as a 5th bowler and have Bairstow at 6. This might mean they go with Leach instead of Mo if they want a specialist spinner - which you’d imagine they’d want at Old Trafford. Thinking along similar lines if we go for 5 bowlers, as you have done, they might play both Mo and Leach and go with just three seamers ie Woakes and two others. I have a hunch they’ll go for the first of those. Old Trafford with the weather forecast for the next week would be ideal for an attack of 3 seamers and 2 spinners, but you would want Parkinson in on his own ground for the X factor if that was the case surely? Moeen's lack of control has become a massive issue....... Agree. But he’s not in the squad. If they do go with a three man pace attack, it looks like, according to the logic above, it’s a toss up between Mo and Bairstow for a place. I suspect the lack of confidence that have (quite reasonably) in Mo means they’ll go for Bairstow to stiffen the batting and Root to provide some “mystery” off spin to complement Leach’s orthodox left arm spin.
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Post by GeneralFaye on Sept 7, 2021 13:26:57 GMT
Strange bringing back Buttler because you’d imagine that means he plays and, as your selection shows, Bairstow misses out on the basis that the openers have done enough to keep their places. Malan and Pope are only just in the side and both have scored runs. That leaves Bairstow left standing when the music stops. Unless we opt for a 4 man bowling attack with Root as a 5th bowler and have Bairstow at 6. This might mean they go with Leach instead of Mo if they want a specialist spinner - which you’d imagine they’d want at Old Trafford. Thinking along similar lines if we go for 5 bowlers, as you have done, they might play both Mo and Leach and go with just three seamers ie Woakes and two others. I have a hunch they’ll go for the first of those. Old Trafford with the weather forecast for the next week would be ideal for an attack of 3 seamers and 2 spinners, but you would want Parkinson in on his own ground for the X factor if that was the case surely? Moeen's lack of control has become a massive issue....... What is the forecast in Manchester? Because in Stoke it's largely overcast and around 19/20...
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Post by prestwichpotter on Sept 7, 2021 13:57:34 GMT
Old Trafford with the weather forecast for the next week would be ideal for an attack of 3 seamers and 2 spinners, but you would want Parkinson in on his own ground for the X factor if that was the case surely? Moeen's lack of control has become a massive issue....... What is the forecast in Manchester? Because in Stoke it's largely overcast and around 19/20... The sun always shines in Manchester. Always,
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Sept 7, 2021 21:05:27 GMT
Think it’ll be Hameed Burns Malan Root Bairstow Buttler Moeen Woakes Wood Leach/Robinson Anderson
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Sept 7, 2021 23:02:15 GMT
Very impressed with Hameed, class player. That was obvious in India back in 2016.
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Post by stokeuk474 on Sept 8, 2021 7:39:29 GMT
Think it’ll be Hameed Burns Malan Root Bairstow Buttler Moeen Woakes Wood Leach/Robinson Anderson You leaving Pope out?
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Sept 8, 2021 7:44:41 GMT
Think it’ll be Hameed Burns Malan Root Bairstow Buttler Moeen Woakes Wood Leach/Robinson Anderson You leaving Pope out? I’m not, just think that’s what they’ll pick
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Post by prestwichpotter on Sept 8, 2021 10:32:32 GMT
Bit worrying if Moeen is our number one spinner to be blunt.......
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Post by partickpotter on Sept 8, 2021 11:30:27 GMT
Bit worrying if Moeen is our number one spinner to be blunt....... Same goes for our keeper. Seems like selection is based as much on how much Joe Root and the other selectors like you rather than actual performance. This does have the benefit of providing continuity of selection. Not sure it provides any other benefits.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Sept 8, 2021 13:27:13 GMT
Can see us losing this inside 4 days.
I know Root now holds the record for most wins as Captain, but he's nearly lost the same amount.
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Post by GeneralFaye on Sept 8, 2021 14:58:03 GMT
The news about the team isn't a good sign at all, we'll just have to hope for favourable conditions to salvage a draw.
Or would losing 3-1 at home do us good in the long run?
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Post by ashtonstokie on Sept 9, 2021 10:01:55 GMT
Can see us losing this inside 4 days. I know Root now holds the record for most wins as Captain, but he's nearly lost the same amount. Bit of the Johan Boskamps about his captaincy. All or nothing and the nothing usually is an utter embarrassment.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Sept 9, 2021 10:25:39 GMT
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Post by partickpotter on Sept 9, 2021 11:30:00 GMT
Shame for Stokes as well as Archer who miss out. You'd think that would mean England would be hugely diminished with those absences but we still look very strong with bat and ball. Livingston is a more than adequate replacement for Stokes with the bat and is probably a better option with the ball noting the tournament is in the UAE. Mills is a superb bowler, maybe not quite as good as Archer but there ain't much in it. I'd fancy us against anyone with this 11. Buttler Roy Livingstone Morgan Bairstow Malan Ali Curran Woakes Rashid Mills
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Post by ashtonstokie on Sept 9, 2021 12:06:11 GMT
With India calling off their training any chances of the game tomorrow being called off? Got bloody tickets for day one 😐
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Post by prestwichpotter on Sept 9, 2021 12:23:15 GMT
Decent squad although I’d have ditched Tom Curran even as a reserve…..
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Sept 9, 2021 17:08:16 GMT
Shame for Stokes as well as Archer who miss out. You'd think that would mean England would be hugely diminished with those absences but we still look very strong with bat and ball. Livingston is a more than adequate replacement for Stokes with the bat and is probably a better option with the ball noting the tournament is in the UAE. Mills is a superb bowler, maybe not quite as good as Archer but there ain't much in it. I'd fancy us against anyone with this 11. Buttler Roy Livingstone Morgan Bairstow Malan Ali Curran Woakes Rashid Mills Mine would be Buttler Roy Malan Livingstone Bairstow Morgan Moeen Woakes Jordan/Curran Rashid Wood/Mills
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Post by chuckrocky on Sept 9, 2021 17:16:38 GMT
It’s a very strong squad even without Stokes and Archer. I honestly don’t believe Stokes should be an automatic pick in T20 side anyway. His numbers in this format are very underwhelming.
My side would be:
Buttler Roy Bairstow Livingston Morgan Mo Curran Woakes Rashid Wood Mills
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Sept 9, 2021 17:19:56 GMT
It’s a very strong squad even without Stokes and Archer. I honestly don’t believe Stokes should be an automatic pick in T20 side anyway. His numbers in this format are very underwhelming. My side would be: Buttler Roy Bairstow Livingston Morgan Mo Curran Woakes Rashid Wood Mills The player that concerns me most batting is Roy, have Buttler and Bairstow ever opened together?
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