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Post by chuckrocky on Jun 12, 2021 20:59:07 GMT
New Zealand have made a mockery of our selection/rotation policy. Buttler, Curran and Woakes all rested from this series due to their involvement in the IPL yet all current playing T20 cricket for their counties. Meanwhile the New Zealand contingent of the IPL were all happy to come and play. We’ve got to stop this ridiculous rest/rotation policy and barring injury we should have our best eleven selected for every game. Remember NZ made 6 changes, they are resting players too! The biggest problem is we need 3 replacements in the top 5 It was more a case of them wanting as many players as possible getting game time going into the final next week rather than resting them. They have the luxury of bringing players like Conway, Young and Jamieson into an already extremely capable side. We simply don’t have that depth of talent. What we’d give to have a ready made player like Conway able to come straight into the side to open the batting.
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Post by chuckrocky on Jun 12, 2021 21:02:31 GMT
Away from the misery of test cricket, there was an extraordinary performance in the Blast this evening; a 16 year old took 3-14 They also had a 16-year old score 50 on his debut in the county championship last week. They’re certainly doing their bit in looking after the future of English cricket.
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Post by spitthedog on Jun 12, 2021 21:03:55 GMT
Remember NZ made 6 changes, they are resting players too! The biggest problem is we need 3 replacements in the top 5 It was more a case of them wanting as many players as possible getting game time going into the final next week rather than resting them. They have the luxury of bringing players like Conway, Young and Jamieson into an already extremely capable side. We simply don’t have that depth of talent. What we’d give to have a ready made player like Conway able to come straight into the side to open the batting. I suppose there is a difference between rotating experienced first class players and rotating inexperienced, unproven players as we are.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jun 12, 2021 21:08:18 GMT
What a depressing few days cricket it’s been for England, the batting and fielding in particular have been terrible. We’re going backwards at a fair rate of knots....,,
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Post by RedandWhite90 on Jun 12, 2021 21:56:37 GMT
I think our schedule is heavier than NZ's overall, so I get the rest/rotation scenarios especially with what's on the horizon in the winter, however, surely they would have been better playing the Test's + T20's and then sitting out the ODI's? That would have meant England duty from 2nd - 26th June, returning for the T20's against Pakistan on 16th July leading into the Summer Test Matches. It’s a demanding schedule being an international cricketer, especially one that plays across all formats. Woakes has hardly played any cricket over the past 6 months so should have been fresh and ready to go for this series. Even someone like Mo would have made a huge difference to this sides Answers are needed.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jun 12, 2021 22:26:15 GMT
Abysmal! No surprise really, big questions for the selectors
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Post by professorplump on Jun 12, 2021 23:24:06 GMT
My side for the first match against India would be: Burns Hameed Malan Root Lawrence Stokes Buttler Woakes Robinson Leach Broad/Anderson There’s not a chance we’ll see that many changes though and it’s doubtful whether or not we’ll see Robinson again. I think they’ll persevere will Sibley and Crawley with the only casualties being Bracey and either Pope or Lawrence. I am happy with your top 7 but the bowling looks a little samey. I think Woakes , Robinson and Curran will be in contention for one spot and either Wood or Stone would play.
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Post by chuckrocky on Jun 13, 2021 6:01:54 GMT
My side for the first match against India would be: Burns Hameed Malan Root Lawrence Stokes Buttler Woakes Robinson Leach Broad/Anderson There’s not a chance we’ll see that many changes though and it’s doubtful whether or not we’ll see Robinson again. I think they’ll persevere will Sibley and Crawley with the only casualties being Bracey and either Pope or Lawrence. I am happy with your top 7 but the bowling looks a little samey. I think Woakes , Robinson and Curran will be in contention for one spot and either Wood or Stone would play. It all depends on the pitch I suppose. If it’s a seam friendly wicket then that attack would be fine. If it’s a pitch like we’ve seen this week or at Lords then I agree Wood or Stone should play.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jun 13, 2021 7:05:51 GMT
Our schedule this summer should be perfect preparation for the winter Ashes series, playing the top two sides over seven Tests.
The first two have shown up the nonsense of the rotation policy, but they now have five Tests to put things right and head to Australia with a sound series win under their belt. It's quite possible. At home, we're normally much better against India. If we don't win this coming series, the Ashes will be the predicted hammering again.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Jun 13, 2021 8:31:28 GMT
This Test 11 v NZ reminds me of Stoke City last season,
Too many who are just not up to the job, there is the odd 1 or 2 who could well go on and make it big, but if you want to be successful you need more than 1 or 2 good players.
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Post by GeneralFaye on Jun 13, 2021 9:49:56 GMT
It's hard to know where we go from here, the entire batting line up is a fragile one and that even includes the best one of the lot in Root. I fear a "transitional" period as they like to say in sport AKA a period of shite performances and results.
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Post by tuum on Jun 13, 2021 10:04:06 GMT
All out. 1st ball - 2mins before the official 11am start. Any chance of an appeal and voiding the match?
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Jun 13, 2021 10:05:24 GMT
Well that didn't take long. England should be ashamed of this performance against mostly NZ 2nd 11.
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Post by chuckrocky on Jun 13, 2021 10:08:25 GMT
We’ve actually managed to lose a wicket before play officially started. Just when you think we’ve reached our lowest.
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Post by GeneralFaye on Jun 13, 2021 10:09:29 GMT
We're awful at leaving the ball in general but why are we so bad at leaving the ball on length?! That Stone wicket wasn't a bad ball but it was never hitting the stumps.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Jun 13, 2021 10:10:19 GMT
Maybe a overhaul is needed from the coach down.
Some players should enjoy what's left of this Test, because they should never wear an England shirt again
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Jun 13, 2021 10:14:51 GMT
Jimmy 5 for 15. Broad 5 for 15. Simple.😋
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jun 13, 2021 10:25:34 GMT
I had tickets for today but my lad is playing in a cricket final so o had to get rid of them, worked out for the best.
We couldn’t even squeeze another 15/20 runs to drag it out, 1st ball of the day sums us up at the moment......
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jun 13, 2021 11:09:56 GMT
NZ were 5/2 to win on Thursday evening, ridiculous odds and far too generous to turn down. Given that a very good bowling performance post lunch is likely to result in a 75 run lead for the Kiwis, and business as usual could be England well over 100 behind, it's going to take a special second innings batting performance from us to turn it round. I might cash out at the close of the Kiwi innings, currently offering £16 return on my £10 stake, that's bound to go up... Whatever the sport, England are always overpriced and their opponents are, conversely, always good value. Money to be made from all those folk who bet on England out of loyalty or patriotism or whatever. £35 return pays for the drinks for the football at least...
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Post by spitthedog on Jun 13, 2021 11:20:50 GMT
Our schedule this summer should be perfect preparation for the winter Ashes series, playing the top two sides over seven Tests. The first two have shown up the nonsense of the rotation policy, but they now have five Tests to put things right and head to Australia with a sound series win under their belt. It's quite possible. At home, we're normally much better against India. If we don't win this coming series, the Ashes will be the predicted hammering again. Our domestic cricket is not set up to help out in any way. Though the Test team will not now play until August, in between now and then, there will be just 2 County Championship games for players to get some form or force their way in to the team. None of the players who have been rested are frontline batsmen, which is where we are really struggling. Bowling is fine. Our only hope v India is the swinging ball but that will not help us in the Ashes!!!
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Post by partickpotter on Jun 13, 2021 12:32:10 GMT
Our schedule this summer should be perfect preparation for the winter Ashes series, playing the top two sides over seven Tests. The first two have shown up the nonsense of the rotation policy, but they now have five Tests to put things right and head to Australia with a sound series win under their belt. It's quite possible. At home, we're normally much better against India. If we don't win this coming series, the Ashes will be the predicted hammering again. Our domestic cricket is not set up to help out in any way. Though the Test team will not now play until August, in between now and then, there will be just 2 County Championship games for players to get some form or force their way in to the team. None of the players who have been rested are frontline batsmen, which is where we are really struggling. Bowling is fine. Our only hope v India is the swinging ball but that will not help us in the Ashes!!! There’s a lot in what you say. Red ball cricket has been pushed to the margins of the first class game. We reap what we sow.
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Post by professorplump on Jun 17, 2021 18:20:40 GMT
So the World Test Championship Final begins tomorrow, weather permitting. A chance to watch what will hopefully be a good game of cricket without having to worry about the inevitable England batting collapse. India I think are marginally the stronger of the two sides, mainly because they have better spinners, however New Zealand are battle hardened after the last two weeks and I think they will win. I am not sure what happens in the event of a draw but after what happened two years ago, New Zealand might be wise to check the boundary count!
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jun 17, 2021 18:24:31 GMT
So the World Test Championship Final begins tomorrow, weather permitting. A chance to watch what will hopefully be a good game of cricket without having to worry about the inevitable England batting collapse. India I think are marginally the stronger of the two sides, mainly because they have better spinners, however New Zealand are battle hardened after the last two weeks and I think they will win. I am not sure what happens in the event of a draw but after what happened two years ago, New Zealand might be wise to check the boundary count! I personally think New Zealand will romp it, weather doesn’t look great mind.
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Post by chuckrocky on Jun 17, 2021 19:27:33 GMT
I’ve got New Zealand as favourites for this. Looks like any cricket they manage to get in over the next few days will be played under grey skies so the ball will be doing plenty. Indian batsmen and the swinging Dukes ball just don’t mix.
Add to that New Zealand have had the better preparation I’d expect them to win quite comfortably.
Tomorrow looks like a complete washout but there’s a reserve day available on the sixth day so hopefully we’ll get a match in.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2021 21:51:47 GMT
Our domestic cricket is not set up to help out in any way. Though the Test team will not now play until August, in between now and then, there will be just 2 County Championship games for players to get some form or force their way in to the team. None of the players who have been rested are frontline batsmen, which is where we are really struggling. Bowling is fine. Our only hope v India is the swinging ball but that will not help us in the Ashes!!! There’s a lot in what you say. Red ball cricket has been pushed to the margins of the first class game. We reap what we sow. Indeed we do 👍
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2021 21:55:00 GMT
We're awful at leaving the ball in general but why are we so bad at leaving the ball on length?! That Stone wicket wasn't a bad ball but it was never hitting the stumps. Very few players are good at leaving the ball on length …it’s become even harder for a batsman to do it with VAR coming on to the scene .
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2021 21:57:20 GMT
Well that didn't take long. England should be ashamed of this performance against mostly NZ 2nd 11. But this is probably the best NZ 15 or so players that I’ve seen in 50 years , they are a seriously decent team .
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Post by murphthesurf on Jun 18, 2021 10:12:09 GMT
Well that didn't take long. England should be ashamed of this performance against mostly NZ 2nd 11. But this is probably the best NZ 15 or so players that I’ve seen in 50 years , they are a seriously decent team . Crispin says he agrees, Bisp. He says NZ and India are both right at the top of their game at the moment. 'Scuse me.........
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2021 15:50:24 GMT
But this is probably the best NZ 15 or so players that I’ve seen in 50 years , they are a seriously decent team . Crispin says he agrees, Bisp. He says NZ and India are both right at the top of their game at the moment. 'Scuse me......... He has good taste !
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Post by chuckrocky on Jun 19, 2021 8:30:51 GMT
Looks like there should be plenty of cricket played today. Pitch has a decent covering of live grass and it’s another gloomy day.
The perfect recipe for an Indian batting capitulation.
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