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Post by Gods on Mar 28, 2021 20:22:33 GMT
Why don't we talk about it? Excellent program with Chris Packham on now. You can tinker all you but there are just too many people aren't there?  |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Mar 28, 2021 20:26:44 GMT
Well it’s obvious isn’t it. There are far too many people on earth👀
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Mar 28, 2021 20:53:41 GMT
Why don't we talk about it? Excellent program with Chris Packham on now. You can tinker all you but there are just too many people aren't there? Absolutely God's, the earth is a finite resource. We've ( mainly the rich west) treated it as though everything is simply there for our benefit and consumption, with little consideration of preserving things for the future. As your graph shows it didn't matter when 1) There weren't many of us, numerically speaking 2) We could not affect things technologically and on a global basis...now that we can , the future of the planet is in our hands and we are on a tipping point. In my opinion |
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Post by cheadlepotter on Mar 28, 2021 21:20:52 GMT
Though the above graph doesn’t show it the rate of growth is actually decreasing. I didn’t watch the programme but was there an estimate at what the world population would peak at?
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Post by xchpotter on Mar 28, 2021 21:31:08 GMT
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Post by marylandstoke on Mar 28, 2021 21:38:34 GMT
Well it’s obvious isn’t it. There are far too many people on earth👀 |
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on Mar 28, 2021 21:39:38 GMT
I hope Chris Packham volunteers to go first, can't stand the smug bastard.
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Post by Vadiation_Ribe on Mar 28, 2021 21:41:17 GMT
We could start by getting rid of the fallacy that the economy needs to grow every year or else it's a disaster.
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Post by Vadiation_Ribe on Mar 28, 2021 21:42:22 GMT
I hope Chris Packham volunteers to go first, can't stand the smug bastard. He has Asperger's Syndrome, which has a big impact on how he comes across. |
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Post by Gods on Mar 28, 2021 22:00:12 GMT
I hope Chris Packham volunteers to go first, can't stand the smug bastard. It's always nice to let off some steam but what you think of Chris Packham is neither here nor there, it's the very future of the planet earth! |
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Post by innocentbystander on Mar 28, 2021 22:15:46 GMT
Apart from Climate change/Overpopulation everything else is just re-arranging deckchairs on the Titanic.
I get pissed off at all the other irrelevant sideshows we're told we need to worry about: Harry and Meghan/alleged anti-semitism in the Labour Party/ Sturgeon and Salmond/Piers Morgan etc - just petty distractions.
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Post by murphthesurf on Mar 28, 2021 22:30:13 GMT
Why don't we talk about it? Excellent program with Chris Packham on now. You can tinker all you but there are just too many people aren't there? You said it, Gods. It's catastrophic for the planet and everyone on it. A couple of things immediately spring to mind: If only the RC church would allow birth control, highly overpopulated countries such as Brazil would benefit at once. For many, many years China had a cast-iron rule in place whereby married couples could only have ONE child - and no exceptions. The rule no longer applies but, had it never existed, today's population count would have been many millions higher, ie. including not just the children who were not allowed to be born but the children they themselves would also have gone on to have, and on and on. In any case I think the centuries-old way of life in China means that children are automatically expected to look after their parents when elderly, hence the norm being intentionally quite big families. |
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Post by franklin on Mar 28, 2021 23:03:57 GMT
Interesting conundrum do we maintain the current population growth by improving healthcare and "solving" drought and famine.
Or do we look after the Earth and let humans perish through all of the above.
Does the likes of "water aid" (and all the other charities) help or hinder?
Do we just delay the inevitable by feeding and watering where the Earth has drought and famine.....or should we just let the status quo carry on.
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Post by longdistancekiddie on Mar 28, 2021 23:09:25 GMT
We could start by getting rid of the fallacy that the economy needs to grow every year or else it's a disaster. Rampent Western Capitalism which is massive part of the problem. It is also bankrupt |
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Post by longdistancekiddie on Mar 28, 2021 23:11:25 GMT
Why don't we talk about it? Excellent program with Chris Packham on now. You can tinker all you but there are just too many people aren't there? You said it, Gods. It's catastrophic for the planet and everyone on it. A couple of things immediately spring to mind: If only the RC church would allow birth control, highly overpopulated countries such as Brazil would benefit at once. For many, many years China had a cast-iron rule in place whereby married couples could only have ONE child - and no exceptions. The rule no longer applies but, had it never existed, today's population count would have been many millions higher, ie. including not just the children who were not allowed to be born but the children they themselves would also have gone on to have, and on and on. In any case I think the centuries-old way of life in China means that children are automatically expected to look after their parents when elderly, hence the norm being intentionally quite big families. [ The RC Church does allow birth control. |
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Post by lawrieleslie on Mar 29, 2021 7:05:57 GMT
You said it, Gods. It's catastrophic for the planet and everyone on it. A couple of things immediately spring to mind: : If only the RC church would allow birth control, highly overpopulated countries such as Brazil would benefit at once. For many, many years China had a cast-iron rule in place whereby married couples could only have ONE child - and no exceptions. The rule no longer applies but, had it never existed, today's population count would have been many millions higher, ie. including not just the children who were not allowed to be born but the children they themselves would also have gone on to have, and on and on. In any case I think the centuries-old way of life in China means that children are automatically expected to look after their parents when elderly, hence the norm being intentionally quite big families. [ The RC Church does allow birth control. But only natural rhythm birth control method which is always going to be risky because there is no absolute safe time during menstrual cycle that a woman can have sex without becoming pregnant. Oh and withdrawal method....but, as Billy Connelly once said, a heard of elephants wouldn’t stop him on his vinegar stroke.  |
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Post by metalhead on Mar 29, 2021 8:48:08 GMT
I think the rampant consumerism and throwaway mentality that we have adopted contributes significantly to the ongoing situation that we are in. We use plastic for everything and then we throw it away without a care in the world. We will dispose of things that are perfectly fine because we're encouraged to do so, by our friends, our family, the government etc.
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Post by lawrieleslie on Mar 29, 2021 9:12:04 GMT
Why don't we talk about it? Excellent program with Chris Packham on now. You can tinker all you but there are just too many people aren't there? My guess is that it is brushed under the carpet because any population control, with the exception of contraception which i think is mainly western world ideology. Is seen as a step too far by most countries. So as far as environment is concerned we treat the symptoms of overpopulation and not the cause. Imagine the uproar in this country if a compulsory cap on family size was introduced. Inevitably if the trend of population increase continues the cause will have to be tackled head on. Unfortunately that will be a dilemma for a future generation unless the current rate of decrease is sustained which I doubt it will. |
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Mar 29, 2021 12:41:45 GMT
Why don't we talk about it? Excellent program with Chris Packham on now. You can tinker all you but there are just too many people aren't there? It was an excellent programme. I can never understand why people don't like Chris Packham, he seems perfectly down to earth to me, with a wry sense of humour, which is perhaps what people don't get. Or maybe it's the fact he's telling people stuff they'd rather not hear, probably more likely. I also completely agreed with him about the unlikelihood of leaving trillions of pounds worth of oil and gas in the ground instead of exploiting it - in a profit making, capitalist world? Not likely! The whole consumption point rang true with me. It's not so much the numbers of people, it's the fact that we'll soon need an extra couple of Earths to cope with the demand on resources if countries continue to develop along the same way that the developed world already has to a large extent. I think people miss the fact that there really is nothing special about us. We have no divine right to exist as a species. 99% of species that have ever existed on our planet are already extinct, and we are making that process all the more likely to happen to ourselves. It's quite odd, really. We're the only ones, apparently, with the awareness of this fact, but seem oddly disinclined to listen, take it seriously and do something about it. |
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Post by JoeinOz on Mar 29, 2021 12:41:55 GMT
I hope Chris Packham volunteers to go first, can't stand the smug bastard. Some people say some truly vile horrible things. |
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Post by Vadiation_Ribe on Mar 29, 2021 13:34:28 GMT
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Post by Gods on Mar 29, 2021 15:35:06 GMT
Why don't we talk about it? Excellent program with Chris Packham on now. You can tinker all you but there are just too many people aren't there? It was an excellent programme. I can never understand why people don't like Chris Packham, he seems perfectly down to earth to me, with a wry sense of humour, which is perhaps what people don't get. Or maybe it's the fact he's telling people stuff they'd rather not hear, probably more likely. I also completely agreed with him about the unlikelihood of leaving trillions of pounds worth of oil and gas in the ground instead of exploiting it - in a profit making, capitalist world? Not likely! The whole consumption point rang true with me. It's not so much the numbers of people, it's the fact that we'll soon need an extra couple of Earths to cope with the demand on resources if countries continue to develop along the same way that the developed world already has to a large extent. I think people miss the fact that there really is nothing special about us. We have no divine right to exist as a species. 99% of species that have ever existed on our planet are already extinct, and we are making that process all the more likely to happen to ourselves. It's quite odd, really. We're the only ones, apparently, with the awareness of this fact, but seem oddly disinclined to listen, take it seriously and do something about it. I think he's telling people stuff they don't want to hear and his Asperger's or whatever it is enables him to deliver bad news in the most dead pan fashion. There is a moment in he show when stood with his father outside the hospital that has been keeping him alive when Packham looked across to the building and said these institutions are basically 'anti biology', and for better or worse that is the truth. And it enabled him to open up the other half of this debate, equally as important as birth rates, which is that, propped up on pharmaceuticals, we now all live for ever! |
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Post by Gods on Mar 29, 2021 15:37:53 GMT
Looking at that chart again is just chilling. It took the entire history of humanity to get to 2.5 billion people then it's like someone flipped a switch in the 1950's and the population of the planet has tripled since then  |
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Post by Davef on Mar 29, 2021 15:55:06 GMT
Looking at that chart again is just chilling. It took the entire history of humanity to get to 2.5 billion people then it's like someone flipped a switch in the 1950's and the population of the planet has tripled since then Well it's not hard to work out why is it? In 1950, the average age of male death in this country was around 57. If you go back to the early 1800s, a quarter of children didnt reach their fifth birthday. We're now in an age where the average death of victims of a global pandemic is 82 and we've managed to conjour up a vaccine in under a year. |
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Mar 29, 2021 19:43:38 GMT
It was an excellent programme. I can never understand why people don't like Chris Packham, he seems perfectly down to earth to me, with a wry sense of humour, which is perhaps what people don't get. Or maybe it's the fact he's telling people stuff they'd rather not hear, probably more likely. I also completely agreed with him about the unlikelihood of leaving trillions of pounds worth of oil and gas in the ground instead of exploiting it - in a profit making, capitalist world? Not likely! The whole consumption point rang true with me. It's not so much the numbers of people, it's the fact that we'll soon need an extra couple of Earths to cope with the demand on resources if countries continue to develop along the same way that the developed world already has to a large extent. I think people miss the fact that there really is nothing special about us. We have no divine right to exist as a species. 99% of species that have ever existed on our planet are already extinct, and we are making that process all the more likely to happen to ourselves. It's quite odd, really. We're the only ones, apparently, with the awareness of this fact, but seem oddly disinclined to listen, take it seriously and do something about it. I think he's telling people stuff they don't want to hear and his Asperger's or whatever it is enables him to deliver bad news in the most dead pan fashion. There is a moment in he show when stood with his father outside the hospital that has been keeping him alive when Packham looked across to the building and said these institutions are basically 'anti biology', and for better or worse that is the truth. And it enabled him to open up the other half of this debate, equally as important as birth rates, which is that, propped up on pharmaceuticals, we now all live for ever! I think you're right. By way of evidence, watch how quickly this thread disappears into obscurity, because people are basically just not bothered and assume that everything is just going to carry on as normal. Meanwhile, there'll be page after page about cancelling this or that, whining about muslims or police favouritism, stuff that is very unlikely to ever have any real impact on people other than triggering them on a football forum, while the really impactful stuff is ignored. Priorities, eh! |
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Post by Soro's Sorrows on Mar 29, 2021 20:30:37 GMT
I think he's telling people stuff they don't want to hear and his Asperger's or whatever it is enables him to deliver bad news in the most dead pan fashion. There is a moment in he show when stood with his father outside the hospital that has been keeping him alive when Packham looked across to the building and said these institutions are basically 'anti biology', and for better or worse that is the truth. And it enabled him to open up the other half of this debate, equally as important as birth rates, which is that, propped up on pharmaceuticals, we now all live for ever! I think you're right. By way of evidence, watch how quickly this thread disappears into obscurity, because people are basically just not bothered and assume that everything is just going to carry on as normal. Meanwhile, there'll be page after page about cancelling this or that, whining about muslims or police favouritism, stuff that is very unlikely to ever have any real impact on people other than triggering them on a football forum, while the really impactful stuff is ignored. Priorities, eh! So are you suggesting that people shouldn't take life saving drugs? Shouldn't have a vaccine? They should bow needlessly into the night, forget their families and friends and accept death at the first opportunity and whilst they are at it stop whining about innocent people being beheaded on a Mozambique beach. You are a real piece of fucking work you are yoth. |
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Post by ashleyscfc on Mar 29, 2021 20:32:55 GMT
Looking at that chart again is just chilling. It took the entire history of humanity to get to 2.5 billion people then it's like someone flipped a switch in the 1950's and the population of the planet has tripled since then Well it's not hard to work out why is it? In 1950, the average age of male death in this country was around 57. If you go back to the early 1800s, a quarter of children didnt reach their fifth birthday. We're now in an age where the average death of victims of a global pandemic is 82 and we've managed to conjour up a vaccine in under a year. Wrong... O I L That's why |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Mar 29, 2021 20:36:39 GMT
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Post by Gods on Mar 29, 2021 21:29:05 GMT
Thanks for sharing, it does look good. |
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Post by meggeth on Mar 29, 2021 23:45:24 GMT
We're going to cock it up aren't we?  |
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