|
|
Post by Rednwhitenblue on Mar 31, 2021 12:10:52 GMT
I think you're right. By way of evidence, watch how quickly this thread disappears into obscurity, because people are basically just not bothered and assume that everything is just going to carry on as normal. Meanwhile, there'll be page after page about cancelling this or that, whining about muslims or police favouritism, stuff that is very unlikely to ever have any real impact on people other than triggering them on a football forum, while the really impactful stuff is ignored. Priorities, eh! So are you suggesting that people shouldn't take life saving drugs? Shouldn't have a vaccine? They should bow needlessly into the night, forget their families and friends and accept death at the first opportunity and whilst they are at it stop whining about innocent people being beheaded on a Mozambique beach. You are a real piece of fucking work you are yoth. Yes, that's exactly what I said, it's right there in my posts  You do leap to some odd assumptions, yoth  |
|
|
|
Post by mrcoke on May 1, 2021 9:22:06 GMT
All we can do is do our bit. Britain is leading the world's major economies in taking action. We are not in the lead like countries like Sweden but are setting a fine example to the other major countries. We need to continue and then challenge the other countries to follow suit. Good news today, with England leading the way stopping domestic coal fires and burning wet wood: www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-56949426It's another small step and an inconvenience to some but there is a long journey to tread getting rid of fossil fuels, imperishable plastic, etc. It can be be done, and we can support a large world population, look how the ozone layer has been retrieved. www.bbc.co.uk/news/newsbeat-46107843 |
|
|
|
Post by Rednwhitenblue on May 1, 2021 18:07:02 GMT
All we can do is do our bit. Britain is leading the world's major economies in taking action. We are not in the lead like countries like Sweden but are setting a fine example to the other major countries. We need to continue and then challenge the other countries to follow suit. Good news today, with England leading the way stopping domestic coal fires and burning wet wood: www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-56949426It's another small step and an inconvenience to some but there is a long journey to tread getting rid of fossil fuels, imperishable plastic, etc. It can be be done, and we can support a large world population, look how the ozone layer has been retrieved. www.bbc.co.uk/news/newsbeat-46107843I agree. The problem will arise when people start to feel the inconvenience, as you say. The transportation sector accounts for the largest greenhouse gas contribution. Getting people to drive less, switch to EVs, use more public transport, walk and cycle more is not going to go down well, and traditionally, right-wing governments have always championed the cause of road building and private car use, so it's going to be a tough sell politically. |
|
|
|
Post by longdistancekiddie on May 1, 2021 18:08:34 GMT
All we can do is do our bit. Britain is leading the world's major economies in taking action. We are not in the lead like countries like Sweden but are setting a fine example to the other major countries. We need to continue and then challenge the other countries to follow suit. Good news today, with England leading the way stopping domestic coal fires and burning wet wood: www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-56949426It's another small step and an inconvenience to some but there is a long journey to tread getting rid of fossil fuels, imperishable plastic, etc. It can be be done, and we can support a large world population, look how the ozone layer has been retrieved. www.bbc.co.uk/news/newsbeat-46107843How do you burn wet wood |
|
|
|
Post by partickpotter on May 1, 2021 18:38:52 GMT
All we can do is do our bit. Britain is leading the world's major economies in taking action. We are not in the lead like countries like Sweden but are setting a fine example to the other major countries. We need to continue and then challenge the other countries to follow suit. Good news today, with England leading the way stopping domestic coal fires and burning wet wood: www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-56949426It's another small step and an inconvenience to some but there is a long journey to tread getting rid of fossil fuels, imperishable plastic, etc. It can be be done, and we can support a large world population, look how the ozone layer has been retrieved. www.bbc.co.uk/news/newsbeat-46107843How do you burn wet wood Inefficiently. That’s the problem. |
|
|
|
Post by mrcoke on May 5, 2021 16:29:04 GMT
|
|
|
|
Post by mattyd2 on May 5, 2021 16:45:22 GMT
Why don't we talk about it? Excellent program with Chris Packham on now. You can tinker all you but there are just too many people aren't there? You said it, Gods. It's catastrophic for the planet and everyone on it. A couple of things immediately spring to mind: If only the RC church would allow birth control, highly overpopulated countries such as Brazil would benefit at once. For many, many years China had a cast-iron rule in place whereby married couples could only have ONE child - and no exceptions. The rule no longer applies but, had it never existed, today's population count would have been many millions higher, ie. including not just the children who were not allowed to be born but the children they themselves would also have gone on to have, and on and on. In any case I think the centuries-old way of life in China means that children are automatically expected to look after their parents when elderly, hence the norm being intentionally quite big families. Not entirely true, but along the right lines, a man with no siblings marrying a woman with no siblings were allowed 2 children. |
|
|
|
Post by mrcoke on May 19, 2021 18:41:25 GMT
|
|
|
|
Post by mrcoke on Jun 30, 2021 16:49:25 GMT
|
|
|
|
Post by Goonie on Jun 30, 2021 18:14:20 GMT
|
|
|
|
Post by metalhead on Jun 30, 2021 20:58:41 GMT
Are electric cars actually better for the environment? Not trying to light a fire here but while I accept the scientific fact that they produce no emissions therefore result in cleaner air, has there been significant proof that a brand new electric car (including all it's manufacturing effort, lifetime running and maintenance costs and subsequent disposal of a battery made of a lithium) is better for the environment than going out an buying a fuel efficient second hand car and thus not dooming it to the scrapheap?
|
|
|
|
Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2021 21:47:44 GMT
Are electric cars actually better for the environment? Not trying to light a fire here but while I accept the scientific fact that they produce no emissions therefore result in cleaner air, has there been significant proof that a brand new electric car (including all it's manufacturing effort, lifetime running and maintenance costs and subsequent disposal of a battery made of a lithium) is better for the environment than going out an buying a fuel efficient second hand car and thus not dooming it to the scrapheap? It's definitely not as cut and dried as the EV crew make out. Take my latest car - a Company Car. It's delivered in July. I'm going from a 2 litre petrol delivering aroung 40mpg, and going to a PHEV that has an approx 26-mile range on battery, and does around 40mpg on petrol. I'm not planning to charge it religiously. I'm not that bothered about charging it at all. I'm not putting a charger in at home (work do have charge points but I'm going to be in the office very little moving forward). 26 miles on battery is neither here or there to me. I'd be charging it all the time. I don't need the hassle, and I don't need to reduce my fuel bill. I'm doing it because the tax bill goes from £4500 a year, to £1960. For a better spec'd & more expensive car. |
|
|
|
Post by heworksardtho on Jul 1, 2021 6:33:29 GMT
Are electric cars actually better for the environment? Not trying to light a fire here but while I accept the scientific fact that they produce no emissions therefore result in cleaner air, has there been significant proof that a brand new electric car (including all it's manufacturing effort, lifetime running and maintenance costs and subsequent disposal of a battery made of a lithium) is better for the environment than going out an buying a fuel efficient second hand car and thus not dooming it to the scrapheap? It's definitely not as cut and dried as the EV crew make out. Take my latest car - a Company Car. It's delivered in July. I'm going from a 2 litre petrol delivering aroung 40mpg, and going to a PHEV that has an approx 26-mile range on battery, and does around 40mpg on petrol. I'm not planning to charge it religiously. I'm not that bothered about charging it at all. I'm not putting a charger in at home (work do have charge points but I'm going to be in the office very little moving forward). 26 miles on battery is neither here or there to me. I'd be charging it all the time. I don't need the hassle, and I don't need to reduce my fuel bill. I'm doing it because the tax bill goes from £4500 a year, to £1960. For a better spec'd & more expensive car. We’ve just bought an M3 4 litre monster and guzzles petrol like piss head from weatherspoons , only live once , what a beast |
|
|
|
Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2021 7:57:53 GMT
It's definitely not as cut and dried as the EV crew make out. Take my latest car - a Company Car. It's delivered in July. I'm going from a 2 litre petrol delivering aroung 40mpg, and going to a PHEV that has an approx 26-mile range on battery, and does around 40mpg on petrol. I'm not planning to charge it religiously. I'm not that bothered about charging it at all. I'm not putting a charger in at home (work do have charge points but I'm going to be in the office very little moving forward). 26 miles on battery is neither here or there to me. I'd be charging it all the time. I don't need the hassle, and I don't need to reduce my fuel bill. I'm doing it because the tax bill goes from £4500 a year, to £1960. For a better spec'd & more expensive car. We’ve just bought an M3 4 litre monster and guzzles petrol like piss head from weatherspoons , only live once , what a beast Don't they absolutely cane you these days, on Annual Road Tax for cars like M3s?? |
|
|
|
Post by musik on Jul 1, 2021 8:33:04 GMT
Why don't we talk about it? Excellent program with Chris Packham on now. You can tinker all you but there are just too many people aren't there?  Less people in Europe in 2020 than in 1920? It surprises me. Most frightening obviously the Yellow Danger, which they call it here. My first anxiety about people growth started when I was five years old, when my mother took me to our local museum. Instead of watching the stuffed animals I was starring at the counter on the wall. It measured the population on Earth. I came back to it all the time when we were there and had loads of questions about how we could stop the madness. |
|
|
|
Post by Gods on Jul 1, 2021 10:08:29 GMT
Why don't we talk about it? Excellent program with Chris Packham on now. You can tinker all you but there are just too many people aren't there? Less people in Europe in 2020 than in 1920? It surprises me. Most frightening obviously the Yellow Danger, which they call it here. My first anxiety about people growth started when I was five years old, when my mother took me to our local museum. Instead of watching the stuffed animals I was starring at the counter on the wall. It measured the population on Earth. I came back to it all the time when we were there and had loads of questions about how we could stop the madness. Not less people in Europe, less as a proportion of the new whole, I think that is what the graph shows. |
|
|
|
Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jul 1, 2021 11:35:42 GMT
Less people in Europe in 2020 than in 1920? It surprises me. Most frightening obviously the Yellow Danger, which they call it here. My first anxiety about people growth started when I was five years old, when my mother took me to our local museum. Instead of watching the stuffed animals I was starring at the counter on the wall. It measured the population on Earth. I came back to it all the time when we were there and had loads of questions about how we could stop the madness. Not less people in Europe, less as a proportion of the new whole, I think that is what the graph shows. In one human lifetime we've gone from 2.5bn people to 7.5bn. It's obvious that's just not sustainable while trying to grow the global economy on the same old capitalist/consumerist lines. No other species has managed to control its own numbers to avoid a massive population crash and I doubt we'll be the first. But we'll be the first to know it was coming and do nothing about it! And given our overwhelming reliance on technology I suspect we'll struggle to recover. |
|
|
|
Post by Gods on Jul 1, 2021 11:40:29 GMT
Not less people in Europe, less as a proportion of the new whole, I think that is what the graph shows. In one human lifetime we've gone from 2.5bn people to 7.5bn. It's obvious that's just not sustainable while trying to grow the global economy on the same old capitalist/consumerist lines. No other species has managed to control its own numbers to avoid a massive population crash and I doubt we'll be the first. But we'll be the first to know it was coming and do nothing about it! And given our overwhelming reliance on technology I suspect we'll struggle to recover. That's a staggering statistic, just eye watering! |
|
|
|
Post by heworksardtho on Jul 1, 2021 11:50:19 GMT
We’ve just bought an M3 4 litre monster and guzzles petrol like piss head from weatherspoons , only live once , what a beast Don't they absolutely cane you these days, on Annual Road Tax for cars like M3s?? Thinks it’s about £500/550 |
|
|
|
Post by Northy on Jul 1, 2021 12:57:46 GMT
Are electric cars actually better for the environment? Not trying to light a fire here but while I accept the scientific fact that they produce no emissions therefore result in cleaner air, has there been significant proof that a brand new electric car (including all it's manufacturing effort, lifetime running and maintenance costs and subsequent disposal of a battery made of a lithium) is better for the environment than going out an buying a fuel efficient second hand car and thus not dooming it to the scrapheap? It's definitely not as cut and dried as the EV crew make out. Take my latest car - a Company Car. It's delivered in July. I'm going from a 2 litre petrol delivering aroung 40mpg, and going to a PHEV that has an approx 26-mile range on battery, and does around 40mpg on petrol. I'm not planning to charge it religiously. I'm not that bothered about charging it at all. I'm not putting a charger in at home (work do have charge points but I'm going to be in the office very little moving forward). 26 miles on battery is neither here or there to me. I'd be charging it all the time. I don't need the hassle, and I don't need to reduce my fuel bill. I'm doing it because the tax bill goes from £4500 a year, to £1960. For a better spec'd & more expensive car. Depending on your miles wouldn't a self charging hybrid have been better, I got 62mpg on mine on a 200 mile journey last week, and regular in the 50's ? Or one of these, if your grade allows www.theengineer.co.uk/aircar-klein-vision-kajac/The flying car |
|
|
|
Post by Northy on Jul 1, 2021 13:07:00 GMT
Are electric cars actually better for the environment? Not trying to light a fire here but while I accept the scientific fact that they produce no emissions therefore result in cleaner air, has there been significant proof that a brand new electric car (including all it's manufacturing effort, lifetime running and maintenance costs and subsequent disposal of a battery made of a lithium) is better for the environment than going out an buying a fuel efficient second hand car and thus not dooming it to the scrapheap? new technology is always coming along, the batteries can be made better and now they have worked out how to extract the precious metals from the electrodes in the used batteries (as well as the batteries can be used for things like home energy storage as at end of life for the car they are still 80% useful life) by using an ultrasonic wave process and we have things like this always happening behind the headlines: - www.nationalgeographic.co.uk/science-and-technology/2021/05/in-cornwall-ruinous-tin-mines-are-yielding-battery-grade-lithium-heres-what-that-could-mean |
|
|
|
Post by AlliG on Jul 1, 2021 13:32:59 GMT
It's definitely not as cut and dried as the EV crew make out. Take my latest car - a Company Car. It's delivered in July. I'm going from a 2 litre petrol delivering aroung 40mpg, and going to a PHEV that has an approx 26-mile range on battery, and does around 40mpg on petrol. I'm not planning to charge it religiously. I'm not that bothered about charging it at all. I'm not putting a charger in at home (work do have charge points but I'm going to be in the office very little moving forward). 26 miles on battery is neither here or there to me. I'd be charging it all the time. I don't need the hassle, and I don't need to reduce my fuel bill. I'm doing it because the tax bill goes from £4500 a year, to £1960. For a better spec'd & more expensive car. Depending on your miles wouldn't a self charging hybrid have been better, I got 62mpg on mine on a 200 mile journey last week, and regular in the 50's ? Or one of these, if your grade allows www.theengineer.co.uk/aircar-klein-vision-kajac/The flying car Blimey! Some people seem to have enough difficulty parking when they are already on the tarmac. Can you imagine the chaos if they have to land as well as part of the process!  |
|
|
|
Post by mtrstudent on Jul 1, 2021 14:10:49 GMT
Are electric cars actually better for the environment? Not trying to light a fire here but while I accept the scientific fact that they produce no emissions therefore result in cleaner air, has there been significant proof that a brand new electric car (including all it's manufacturing effort, lifetime running and maintenance costs and subsequent disposal of a battery made of a lithium) is better for the environment than going out an buying a fuel efficient second hand car and thus not dooming it to the scrapheap? Yeah they are better. In 2017: "Over their whole life cycle—from manufacturing to driving to disposal—electric vehicles produce half the emissions of a comparable gasoline vehicle. By far the largest share of emissions comes from driving, which is where electric vehicles have a big and growing advantage." ( link) Electrics get cleaner year after year too. |
|
|
|
Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2021 16:08:56 GMT
It's definitely not as cut and dried as the EV crew make out. Take my latest car - a Company Car. It's delivered in July. I'm going from a 2 litre petrol delivering aroung 40mpg, and going to a PHEV that has an approx 26-mile range on battery, and does around 40mpg on petrol. I'm not planning to charge it religiously. I'm not that bothered about charging it at all. I'm not putting a charger in at home (work do have charge points but I'm going to be in the office very little moving forward). 26 miles on battery is neither here or there to me. I'd be charging it all the time. I don't need the hassle, and I don't need to reduce my fuel bill. I'm doing it because the tax bill goes from £4500 a year, to £1960. For a better spec'd & more expensive car. Depending on your miles wouldn't a self charging hybrid have been better, I got 62mpg on mine on a 200 mile journey last week, and regular in the 50's ? Or one of these, if your grade allows www.theengineer.co.uk/aircar-klein-vision-kajac/The flying car I don't like heights so the flying car would have to be a no 🙂 If I was looking to really save on fuel bills, then maybe a Self Charging Hybrid would be an option. My point really was that just 'getting everyone into EVs' of some kind & that changing the world, it's not as black & white. A 20% taxpayer could pay £79 per month in Company Car Tax, for a £46,000 car, that has a 26 mile battery. It seems too good to be true. |
|
|
|
Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2021 16:09:40 GMT
Don't they absolutely cane you these days, on Annual Road Tax for cars like M3s?? Thinks it’s about £500/550 Which is a lot I suppose, but better than I'd imagined. |
|
|
|
Post by musik on Jul 1, 2021 17:54:53 GMT
Less people in Europe in 2020 than in 1920? It surprises me. Most frightening obviously the Yellow Danger, which they call it here. My first anxiety about people growth started when I was five years old, when my mother took me to our local museum. Instead of watching the stuffed animals I was starring at the counter on the wall. It measured the population on Earth. I came back to it all the time when we were there and had loads of questions about how we could stop the madness. Not less people in Europe, less as a proportion of the new whole, I think that is what the graph shows. It looks to me that the yellow european worm at least isn't significantly thicker now (personally my eyes might trick me to say even less), and obviously the world wars played a part here. I assume, we can agree on "about the same" size regarding Europe, but for Asia it's a catastrophe, and when it comes to Africa starvation has had a role. |
|
|
|
Post by Vadiation_Ribe on Jul 2, 2021 15:38:25 GMT
Are electric cars actually better for the environment? Not trying to light a fire here but while I accept the scientific fact that they produce no emissions therefore result in cleaner air, has there been significant proof that a brand new electric car (including all it's manufacturing effort, lifetime running and maintenance costs and subsequent disposal of a battery made of a lithium) is better for the environment than going out an buying a fuel efficient second hand car and thus not dooming it to the scrapheap? It's not as clean-cut (no pun intended) as it might seem. Most electricity generated still comes from non-renewable resources, so it depends how a car is charged. Manufacturing and shipping electric cars creates more emissions than manufacturing and shipping petrol cars, so it depends how much the car is used. Manufacturing electric cars also uses a lot more water, in places where water is in short supply. Much of the pollution from vehicles comes from brake and tyre wear, so no change there, and worse if car use increases because electric cars are supposedly cleaner. The mining for batteries (not just lithium) has huge negative health and environmental impacts in places, and some of these are already rare elements. The process of recycling batteries can be very polluting, but who cares if they have valuable parts that can be reused. Given how little it sold and the manufacturing costs, the hybrid Toyota Prius was (over its lifetime) ironically way more polluting than its petrol-only equivalents for many years. I don't know why hydrogen cells seem to have been completely forgotten. I believe the existing refuelling network can be refitted to support hydrogen. Edit: yep, buying a fuel-efficient second-hand car is better for the environment. This was the main thing I hated about the UK government scam around 15 years ago when they offered £1,000 towards purchase of a new car to get "old polluting cars off the road" (or something like that). To me, it was just a scam to keep the economy growing (and perhaps reduce road/city centre emissions slightly) and keeping an older car running is generally more environmentally friendly when taking everything into account. |
|
|
|
Post by bigjohnritchie on Feb 7, 2024 19:07:18 GMT
So sad to see a beautiful river destroyed. For me it asks questions about the role and powers of Non government organisations ( and by extension all supra national bodies.....United Nations sounds great , but hardly "United" ( I'm not totally dismissing their role, perhaps better than nothing as at least a forum for issues)...the Environmental Agency also sounds great but is ineffective. We have to rethink many things if we are serious about protecting the future and sustaining the planet, more important than trade and profit, but has to do with lifestyle, expectations, food supply. ( and there is no reason we cannot set and enforce UK standards if we had the will, the government, the leadership but a means of making it a major public/ national issue. We will regret doing nothing or very little......of course the politicians will come out and list all the things they have done......diverting from the fact that it clearly is not enough. Goodbye the River Wye Environment Agency failed to protect River Wye from chicken waste, court hears Environment Agency failed to protect River Wye from chicken waste, court hears Campaigners argue in legal challenge that loophole has allowed poultry farmers to pollute river www.theguardian.com/environment/2024/feb/07/environment-agency-failed-protect-river-wye-pollution-chicken-waste-court |
|
|
|
Post by elystokie on Feb 16, 2024 10:30:50 GMT
"It doesn't have to be that way" 🎶
It might not be too late, but it soon will be..
|
|
|
|
Post by elystokie on Feb 16, 2024 10:32:00 GMT
"It doesn't have to be that way" 🎶 It might not be too late, but it soon will be.. Why the fuck is this age restricted ffs 😡 |
|
