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Formula 1
Dec 5, 2021 21:44:12 GMT
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Dec 5, 2021 21:44:12 GMT
Fuck Hamilton the prick, makes my blood boil.
Come on Max.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Dec 5, 2021 21:55:59 GMT
Whatever people may think of the guy personally, he's a simply phenomenal driver. I can take him or leave him as a bloke but i would like to see him get the 8th at some point (doesn't have to be this year, he's got at least 2 left in him i reckon). He does deserve to be out on his own. Sure I’ve read somewhere that Mercedes hadn’t put much research and development into this years engine, if so it’s even more impressive. Yes, saving the upgrades for next year.
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Post by Vadiation_Ribe on Dec 6, 2021 0:59:25 GMT
A ridiculous race. I was exhausted from watching, and that was only the highlights! Hamilton outstanding even forgetting that he didn't have to overtake Verstappen due to the 5-second penalty. I think today has convinced me to pop Hamilton ahead of Clark as the greatest F1 driver of all time. I wonder if the stewards should have given Verstappen a 20-second penalty (instead of 10) for the braking incident, putting him behind Bottas in the race and Hamilton in the Championship. Then at least Verstappen wouldn't take Hamilton out. But 369.5 points and tied going into the last race. Incredible. I'm at a gig in York next Sunday night. If I can find somewhere, maybe I'll be able to watch some of the highlights then hopefully not overhear anyone talking about the race at the gig. And Hamilton and Verstappen get far too much hate. Here's Lewis Hamilton on the both of them from a recent interview (I think he's being harsh on himself): "For me, look, I'm 36. I've been doing this a long time so it's not the first time I've been faced with a driver that's been good and bad in certain ways and I think I'm in just a much better position to be able to handle that, to deal with that. Particularly in the limelight and the pressures of the sport.
"I know that he's a super-fast guy, and he's going to get stronger and stronger as he matures over time. Which he will no doubt do.
"Look at myself when I was 24, 25. Jeez, the mistakes I was making back then. I had the speed but I was going through a lot of different experiences outside the car and also being in the limelight - the pressures of being at the front.
"I don't think I did much right then so I don't hold that against anybody."www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/59369648
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Post by Vadiation_Ribe on Dec 6, 2021 1:01:55 GMT
Hermann Tilke is the designer responsible for most modern F1 circuits, and most of them are snoozefests. Off the top of my head, I can only think of the Turkey track as being a good one, although Sepang (Malaysia) also comes to mind as being decent. Tracks like Interlagos (Brazil) could not be designed as they are now, as they would not meet the safety standards required of a brand new track, so making exciting tracks is probably harder than we think. His son Carsten designed the Saudi Arabia track. It seemed pretty good on this weekend's showing.
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Post by mattador78 on Dec 6, 2021 6:11:40 GMT
Hermann Tilke is the designer responsible for most modern F1 circuits, and most of them are snoozefests. Off the top of my head, I can only think of the Turkey track as being a good one, although Sepang (Malaysia) also comes to mind as being decent. Tracks like Interlagos (Brazil) could not be designed as they are now, as they would not meet the safety standards required of a brand new track, so making exciting tracks is probably harder than we think. His son Carsten designed the Saudi Arabia track. It seemed pretty good on this weekend's showing. Needs some of the corners opening make it a bit safer, to many bits were like driving through a tunnel. But pace and overall a decent track
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Post by RichieBarkerOut! on Dec 6, 2021 7:58:06 GMT
That was like one season in one race. Despite just about every decision being questionable, I think the final result was fair. I was disappointed to see Mercedes being so overt in their tactics to thwart Max, although I fully understand why they did it.
The gloves are well and truly off and it providing a spectical never seen before in the sport. I say "sport", but the the race management this season by Michael Massi has been shockingly bad. It's true that he's had a tough gig, but it's of his own (and F1's) making.
Racing rules have not been consistently applied and its tied Massi up in knots as a consequence. I don't believe that he's biased, but his inconsistency has caused him to look like a football referee trying to balance bad decisions to even up a game.
He needs to be gone for next season and for someone to take his place and be far tighter in his/her approach.
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Post by Robo10 on Dec 6, 2021 14:20:37 GMT
Teriffic race yesterday
Even the 'countback' scenario is a farce - the extra 'win' Verstappen has was that 2 lap safety car shambles from Belgium where he was gifted a win without challenge - 12.5 underserved points and a win on the countback
Agent Valteri is going to be critical next weekend, he needs to pull something out of the bag to protect Hambo.
Best thing that could happen is for one of them (preferably the childlike Max) gets a small grid penalty so the option of a first corner shunt is taken away
RB have also been a bit cannier with the extra point this season sending Max and Perez out in the last laps to grab it off Lewis - Merc missed a trick last week not sending Valteri out on fresh tyres just to see if he could nab it.
Horner makes my piss boil - horrible unsporting undignified sore loser.
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Formula 1
Dec 6, 2021 15:32:19 GMT
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Post by GeneralFaye on Dec 6, 2021 15:32:19 GMT
The difference between qualifying pace and race pace has been something I've not noticed as much in years gone by compapared to this season. Anyone with more knowledge have a reason as to why this seems to be the case?
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Formula 1
Dec 6, 2021 16:34:37 GMT
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Post by cheadlepotter on Dec 6, 2021 16:34:37 GMT
The difference between qualifying pace and race pace has been something I've not noticed as much in years gone by compapared to this season. Anyone with more knowledge have a reason as to why this seems to be the case? Fuel loads? DRS guaranteed in qualifying though that’s been the same for years so maybe the battery usage is different in qualifying.
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Formula 1
Dec 6, 2021 16:55:09 GMT
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Post by mattador78 on Dec 6, 2021 16:55:09 GMT
The difference between qualifying pace and race pace has been something I've not noticed as much in years gone by compapared to this season. Anyone with more knowledge have a reason as to why this seems to be the case? As far as I understand it’s the engine modes, as you hear I race drivers are told to turn it to different settings depending on requirements in race. Apparently qualifying set ups are used in conjunction with the tyres and fuel weight to produce the optimum qualification laps, however the engine modes can damage the engines faster ( may explain Mercedes 5 engines) so not likely to be something to be used during the races. Suppose we see it on our cars as well my BMW has 3 engine modes but it’s not advised to drive it in sport constantly ( the buttons there it’s getting pressed every time I get in)
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Formula 1
Dec 6, 2021 19:47:05 GMT
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Post by questionable on Dec 6, 2021 19:47:05 GMT
The difference between qualifying pace and race pace has been something I've not noticed as much in years gone by compapared to this season. Anyone with more knowledge have a reason as to why this seems to be the case? As far as I understand it’s the engine modes, as you hear I race drivers are told to turn it to different settings depending on requirements in race. Apparently qualifying set ups are used in conjunction with the tyres and fuel weight to produce the optimum qualification laps, however the engine modes can damage the engines faster ( may explain Mercedes 5 engines) so not likely to be something to be used during the races. Suppose we see it on our cars as well my BMW has 3 engine modes but it’s not advised to drive it in sport constantly ( the buttons there it’s getting pressed every time I get in) My BMW has three settings, sure my old one had four. The sports mode on my current BMW is insane especially when I use launch control, frighteningly fast and pins you back in your seat, mind I don’t use it much as only get 23 mpg. God knows how they do what they do in their cars, immense skill and guts.
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Formula 1
Dec 6, 2021 19:49:53 GMT
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Post by mattador78 on Dec 6, 2021 19:49:53 GMT
As far as I understand it’s the engine modes, as you hear I race drivers are told to turn it to different settings depending on requirements in race. Apparently qualifying set ups are used in conjunction with the tyres and fuel weight to produce the optimum qualification laps, however the engine modes can damage the engines faster ( may explain Mercedes 5 engines) so not likely to be something to be used during the races. Suppose we see it on our cars as well my BMW has 3 engine modes but it’s not advised to drive it in sport constantly ( the buttons there it’s getting pressed every time I get in) My BMW has three settings, sure my old one had four. The sports mode on my current BMW is insane especially when I use launch control, frighteningly fast and pins you back in your seat, mind I don’t use it much as only get 23 mpg. God knows how they do what they do in their cars, immense skill and guts. I have not got launch control but I can turn the stability off and up the traction to the x-drive so that may boost my acceleration but probably put me in a wall at the same time so I haven’t tried it 😂
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Post by RichieBarkerOut! on Dec 6, 2021 20:10:53 GMT
A cars ability to generate the optimum tyre temperature plays a big part in qualifying pace vs race pace. On some tracks some cars take much longer to build heat into their tyres, Mercedes being the most obvious car that has this problem and this is also the reason why in cooler races, Lewis seems to be a bit slow after a restart and often comes under pressure by lesser cars whilst Max in his Red Bull pulls out a lead. Bottas usually gets his tyres working quicker than Hamilton, but Bottas as wears his tyres down faster than Hamilton. Lewis has long held a reputation for making his tyres last, and this is at the expense of a few slowish laps while he more slowly builds temperature.
Perez is another driver that makes tyres last longer than most drivers and he's been consistently off the pace in qualifying for years. This is another example where Hamilton shows his class as he often qualifies at the top of the grid with suboptimal tyre temperatures and explains why Bottas has a pretty good qualifying record against Lewis.
In qualifying, cars rarely run flat out for more than a couple of laps, and that means that optimal tyre temperature is not reached, which in turn leads to better race pace on the next day.
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Post by Vadiation_Ribe on Dec 6, 2021 21:29:53 GMT
As far as I understand it’s the engine modes, as you hear I race drivers are told to turn it to different settings depending on requirements in race. Apparently qualifying set ups are used in conjunction with the tyres and fuel weight to produce the optimum qualification laps, however the engine modes can damage the engines faster ( may explain Mercedes 5 engines) so not likely to be something to be used during the races. Suppose we see it on our cars as well my BMW has 3 engine modes but it’s not advised to drive it in sport constantly ( the buttons there it’s getting pressed every time I get in) My BMW has three settings, sure my old one had four. The sports mode on my current BMW is insane especially when I use launch control, frighteningly fast and pins you back in your seat, mind I don’t use it much as only get 23 mpg. God knows how they do what they do in their cars, immense skill and guts. There's a bit in Nigel Mansell's newest autobiography about how he'd given up after his first drive in an F1 car. He felt like he just couldn't do it and had gone all the way to Belgium for nothing (putting his family in more financial trouble). Then there's a good anecdote about how the Lotus mechanics fiddled with his rental car (yikes - no one would get away with that these days), so he was even doubting his driving on the way back to his hotel. But if I remember rightly, Colin Chapman convinced Mansell to give the F1 car another go, and Mansell found that as he started getting used to the speed, his brain made everything else seem like it was in slow motion, so suddenly he could control the car. Mansell explains it much better than me anyway.
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Formula 1
Dec 6, 2021 21:44:26 GMT
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Post by questionable on Dec 6, 2021 21:44:26 GMT
My BMW has three settings, sure my old one had four. The sports mode on my current BMW is insane especially when I use launch control, frighteningly fast and pins you back in your seat, mind I don’t use it much as only get 23 mpg. God knows how they do what they do in their cars, immense skill and guts. There's a bit in Nigel Mansell's newest autobiography about how he'd given up after his first drive in an F1 car. He felt like he just couldn't do it and had gone all the way to Belgium (putting his family in more financial trouble I think). Then there's a good anecdote about how the Lotus mechanics fiddled with his rental car (yikes - no one would get away with that these days), so he was even doubting his driving on the way back to his hotel. But if I remember rightly, Colin Chapman convinced Mansell to give the F1 car another go, and Mansell found that as he started getting used to the speed, his brain made everything else seem like it was in slow motion, so suddenly he could control the car. Mansell explains it much better than me anyway. Must admit I tend to put my foot down on open windy country lanes on rare occasions and it’s hard to lose the car as it does it for you, everything is done for you electronically believe me, there was a download last week specially for country lanes to correct steering mistakes. It’s amazing how technology controls things for you.
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Post by partickpotter on Dec 7, 2021 7:39:53 GMT
There's a bit in Nigel Mansell's newest autobiography about how he'd given up after his first drive in an F1 car. He felt like he just couldn't do it and had gone all the way to Belgium (putting his family in more financial trouble I think). Then there's a good anecdote about how the Lotus mechanics fiddled with his rental car (yikes - no one would get away with that these days), so he was even doubting his driving on the way back to his hotel. But if I remember rightly, Colin Chapman convinced Mansell to give the F1 car another go, and Mansell found that as he started getting used to the speed, his brain made everything else seem like it was in slow motion, so suddenly he could control the car. Mansell explains it much better than me anyway. Must admit I tend to put my foot down on open windy country lanes on rare occasions and it’s hard to lose the car as it does it for you, everything is done for you electronically believe me, there was a download last week specially for country lanes to correct steering mistakes. It’s amazing how technology controls things for you. Pretty scary if you ask me. The danger is withe the system you describe you never learn from your mistakes so bad driving habits get baked in. My “new” car has these parking sensors that alert me when I’m close to an obstruction. I now feel like I’m parking with my ears more than my eyes. Ok, I’ve 40 years of driving behind me so I’ve a pretty good idea of what I’m doing, but I wonder if this technology is undermining my driving skills more than enhancing them.
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Post by RichieBarkerOut! on Dec 7, 2021 10:09:22 GMT
Must admit I tend to put my foot down on open windy country lanes on rare occasions and it’s hard to lose the car as it does it for you, everything is done for you electronically believe me, there was a download last week specially for country lanes to correct steering mistakes. It’s amazing how technology controls things for you. Pretty scary if you ask me. The danger is withe the system you describe you never learn from your mistakes so bad driving habits get baked in. My “new” car has these parking sensors that alert me when I’m close to an obstruction. I now feel like I’m parking with my ears more than my eyes. Ok, I’ve 40 years of driving behind me so I’ve a pretty good idea of what I’m doing, but I wonder if this technology is undermining my driving skills more than enhancing them. First time I had a reversing camera on a car, I used it and promptly hit a post. I was looking at on the screen and because the post looked miles away until the last nanosecond, I hit the bloody thing.
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Formula 1
Dec 7, 2021 10:25:15 GMT
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Post by RF10 on Dec 7, 2021 10:25:15 GMT
Must admit I tend to put my foot down on open windy country lanes on rare occasions and it’s hard to lose the car as it does it for you, everything is done for you electronically believe me, there was a download last week specially for country lanes to correct steering mistakes. It’s amazing how technology controls things for you. Pretty scary if you ask me. The danger is withe the system you describe you never learn from your mistakes so bad driving habits get baked in. My “new” car has these parking sensors that alert me when I’m close to an obstruction. I now feel like I’m parking with my ears more than my eyes. Ok, I’ve 40 years of driving behind me so I’ve a pretty good idea of what I’m doing, but I wonder if this technology is undermining my driving skills more than enhancing them. I agree with thar. I had a car with reverse camera on for 3 years and then went back to one without and it did make the much more reliant on the use on the camera.
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Formula 1
Dec 7, 2021 14:20:47 GMT
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Post by questionable on Dec 7, 2021 14:20:47 GMT
Pretty scary if you ask me. The danger is withe the system you describe you never learn from your mistakes so bad driving habits get baked in. My “new” car has these parking sensors that alert me when I’m close to an obstruction. I now feel like I’m parking with my ears more than my eyes. Ok, I’ve 40 years of driving behind me so I’ve a pretty good idea of what I’m doing, but I wonder if this technology is undermining my driving skills more than enhancing them. First time I had a reversing camera on a car, I used it and promptly hit a post. I was looking at on the screen and because the post looked miles away until the last nanosecond, I hit the bloody thing. My car has a function to reverse you out of a road, let’s say you drive down a tight cul de sac and it’s a ball ache to reverse out, you select something (no idea what may I add) and the car reverses you out, apparently it memorises your last 50 mts driving.
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Post by RichieBarkerOut! on Dec 7, 2021 14:26:28 GMT
First time I had a reversing camera on a car, I used it and promptly hit a post. I was looking at on the screen and because the post looked miles away until the last nanosecond, I hit the bloody thing. My car has a function to reverse you out of a road, let’s say you drive down a tight cul de sac and it’s a ball ache to reverse out, you select something (no idea what may I add) and the car reverses you out, apparently it memorises your last 50 mts driving. Next time, pull a handbrake turn into the parking space and see how your car retraces it's steps...
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Post by mattador78 on Dec 7, 2021 15:57:59 GMT
First time I had a reversing camera on a car, I used it and promptly hit a post. I was looking at on the screen and because the post looked miles away until the last nanosecond, I hit the bloody thing. My car has a function to reverse you out of a road, let’s say you drive down a tight cul de sac and it’s a ball ache to reverse out, you select something (no idea what may I add) and the car reverses you out, apparently it memorises your last 50 mts driving. Fucks you up if another car parks on the road 🤦♂️
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Post by FbrgVaStkFan on Dec 7, 2021 20:17:11 GMT
Pretty scary if you ask me. The danger is withe the system you describe you never learn from your mistakes so bad driving habits get baked in. My “new” car has these parking sensors that alert me when I’m close to an obstruction. I now feel like I’m parking with my ears more than my eyes. Ok, I’ve 40 years of driving behind me so I’ve a pretty good idea of what I’m doing, but I wonder if this technology is undermining my driving skills more than enhancing them. First time I had a reversing camera on a car, I used it and promptly hit a post. I was looking at on the screen and because the post looked miles away until the last nanosecond, I hit the bloody thing. I hate it when I'm backing into a spot but there's a road directly behind it and a car drives by causing a beep. Technology is great, but it does make you lazy I think, although the rear camera is good if you have sore neck.
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Post by rivival on Dec 8, 2021 2:54:24 GMT
When I learned to drive my instructor used to put a chip fork in the middle of the rear screen to help revers around corners..
Technology has moved on a little^....sadly chips are no where near as nice as they used to be.
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Post by heworksardtho on Dec 8, 2021 19:15:05 GMT
Pretty scary if you ask me. The danger is withe the system you describe you never learn from your mistakes so bad driving habits get baked in. My “new” car has these parking sensors that alert me when I’m close to an obstruction. I now feel like I’m parking with my ears more than my eyes. Ok, I’ve 40 years of driving behind me so I’ve a pretty good idea of what I’m doing, but I wonder if this technology is undermining my driving skills more than enhancing them. First time I had a reversing camera on a car, I used it and promptly hit a post. I was looking at on the screen and because the post looked miles away until the last nanosecond, I hit the bloody thing. I did the same on my two day old new garage door
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Post by foxxy on Dec 8, 2021 19:50:09 GMT
The difference between qualifying pace and race pace has been something I've not noticed as much in years gone by compapared to this season. Anyone with more knowledge have a reason as to why this seems to be the case? As far as I understand it’s the engine modes, as you hear I race drivers are told to turn it to different settings depending on requirements in race. Apparently qualifying set ups are used in conjunction with the tyres and fuel weight to produce the optimum qualification laps, however the engine modes can damage the engines faster ( may explain Mercedes 5 engines) so not likely to be something to be used during the races. Suppose we see it on our cars as well my BMW has 3 engine modes but it’s not advised to drive it in sport constantly ( the buttons there it’s getting pressed every time I get in) Engine modes are now fixed from Q1 and must remain fixed for all Qualifying sessions and the Race. They can be “turned down” but only for reliability reasons. Teams can, and do run different strategies and “modes” with their ERS systems though.
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Post by mattador78 on Dec 8, 2021 20:49:27 GMT
As far as I understand it’s the engine modes, as you hear I race drivers are told to turn it to different settings depending on requirements in race. Apparently qualifying set ups are used in conjunction with the tyres and fuel weight to produce the optimum qualification laps, however the engine modes can damage the engines faster ( may explain Mercedes 5 engines) so not likely to be something to be used during the races. Suppose we see it on our cars as well my BMW has 3 engine modes but it’s not advised to drive it in sport constantly ( the buttons there it’s getting pressed every time I get in) Engine modes are now fixed from Q1 and must remain fixed for all Qualifying sessions and the Race. They can be “turned down” but only for reliability reasons. Teams can, and do run different strategies and “modes” with their ERS systems though. I’m happy to be educated, 👍
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Post by flea79 on Dec 9, 2021 10:44:17 GMT
i miss in race refuelling, added some real jeapordy and an extra layer of tactics to proceedings
incidentally i have purchased f1 2021 for the PS5 and have been playing it in near simulation mode with a Logitech g29 steering wheel and pedal box and its such a challenge, some tracks with the wide run off areas are great but Monaco and Azerbaijan are a nightmare to race competitively on
really gives you some respect for these guys and what they do!
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Post by salopstick on Dec 9, 2021 10:54:19 GMT
Last race free on Ch4
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Formula 1
Dec 9, 2021 10:57:56 GMT
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Post by salopstick on Dec 9, 2021 10:57:56 GMT
I’d like to change the points system so that every vehicle that finishes receives at least a point. If that means increasing the points for the higher finishers so be it.
If a lesser team actually finishes a race especially 20-10 they get nothing on a consistent basis where a team that has a high number of DNF but say 1 top 10 ends up over the season with more points. This both for drivers and constructors.
It would make these teams more attractive to sponsors. And give teams the extra incentive to try and finish higher in races
It’s an amazing achievement for some of the smaller less funded teams to just finish 15th
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Post by shakermaker on Dec 10, 2021 13:13:11 GMT
Lots of passion on this board. Messy race today, hoping the upcoming and deciding one is clean and governed by skill and tactics. Wouldn't mind seeing McLaren do something. Probably the best title battle for 20 years or so, maybe even further back. As others have said, I’ve got no time for Hamilton as a person really but what a driver! I reckon he’ll find a way in the last race! Goarrrn Lewis🙏🏻 Despite Lewis's success, I do think he needs to win this title to be considered the greatest. Yes, he has 7 titles but in all honesty, there is no true achievement in wupping the rest of the grid in a superior car where your nearest 'rival' is Bottas! I think he deserved his first, second and fourth (and maybe his fifth) titles, but the others were a walkover. Max is arguably the closest to equal competition in terms of machinery and ability he has come up against since Alonso. I can't wait for Sunday. I've never been Lewis's greatest fan (primarily because of his celebrity hangouts with rappers, tax evasion and shoving BLM in our faces at every opportunity), but I have a quiet respect for him. May the best driver win!
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