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Post by professorplump on Jul 31, 2022 23:46:28 GMT
I enjoyed today's race. I think if the rain at the end had come 10 minutes earlier, Hamilton would have caught Verstappen.
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Post by FbrgVaStkFan on Aug 1, 2022 1:24:16 GMT
What planet were Ferrari on today? They have people paid to work out strategy and yet they pulled Leclerc in too early and for epically obvious wrong tyres. There's no way I could have predicted how the top 6 finished in the order that they did today especially without a couple of random safety cars and a thunderstorm. I concur with my previous post.
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Post by rivival on Aug 1, 2022 1:46:24 GMT
Ferrari snatched defeat from the jaws of victory today, they really are their own worst enemy. So scared of Verstappen that they completely forgot about their strategy in a bid to counter his. What a cock up.
Lewis loves that track , I don't know why its bloody awful imo no overtaking spots just bend , bend ,bend. Still he did do very well today and was unlucky not to get a chance of a win. Really impressed me how he drove away from Perez who clearly has a better car.
Verstappen must be buying a lottery ticket in disbelief at his luck today , he could never have guessed Ferrari would hand him another win . Credit where it is due though he did drive one of his best races despite the spin.
George has to start setting the car up for the race now and not the qualifying. That's what seems to be costing him imo. as he lacks just a little race pace. It's clear he will win one soon though. He reminds me of Graham Hill in his calm, measured driving style and his demina.
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Post by RichieBarkerOut! on Aug 1, 2022 8:14:48 GMT
Ferrari snatched defeat from the jaws of victory today, they really are their own worst enemy. So scared of Verstappen that they completely forgot about their strategy in a bid to counter his. What a cock up. Lewis loves that track , I don't know why its bloody awful imo no overtaking spots just bend , bend ,bend. Still he did do very well today and was unlucky not to get a chance of a win. Really impressed me how he drove away from Perez who clearly has a better car. Verstappen must be buying a lottery ticket in disbelief at his luck today , he could never have guessed Ferrari would hand him another win . Credit where it is due though he did drive one of his best races despite the spin. George has to start setting the car up for the race now and not the qualifying. That's what seems to be costing him imo. as he lacks just a little race pace. It's clear he will win one soon though. He reminds me of Graham Hill in his calm, measured driving style and his demina. I don't think Russell's car was set up for qualifying as such, as Hamilton had the measure of him until his DRS failure cost him the ability to make a fast Q3 time. It was an odd race as none of the top teams managed to get the strategy right for both of their cars. Another observation having watch the race live on Sky and then watched some of the C4 highlights, is how much more insightful Martin Brundle is compared to Coulthard. Sky had been commenting on just how bad Alpine were doing with their hard tyres for quite some time before Ferrari put them on Leclarc. It took an age before C4 spotted the Ferrari tyre choice and they seem to have not noticed how Alpine were going backwards on their hard tyres. As soon as the hards went on Leclerc's car, they were in utter disbelief at the choice.
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Post by Vadiation_Ribe on Aug 1, 2022 19:33:22 GMT
Alonso is replacing Vettel at Aston Martin next season.
I would've thought Alpine are more likely to give Alonso a winning car, and Alonso has hardly made the best career moves since he was World Champion.
Strange comment too: "No-one in F1 today is demonstrating a greater vision and absolute commitment to winning, and that makes it a really exciting opportunity for me."
This is the team that has the owner's son driving for them. Not that Stroll is a bad driver, but there are much better available to Aston Martin.
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Aug 1, 2022 20:29:28 GMT
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Post by fullmetaljacket on Aug 1, 2022 20:29:28 GMT
What planet were Ferrari on today? They have people paid to work out strategy and yet they pulled Leclerc in too early and for epically obvious wrong tyres. There's no way I could have predicted how the top 6 finished in the order that they did today especially without a couple of random safety cars and a thunderstorm. I said to my mate Ferrari must be running a competition in Italy where they ring up a random at home and ask for strategy advice for that race. It's either that or Leclerc has shagged the strategists mum at some point.
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Post by RichieBarkerOut! on Aug 1, 2022 20:43:32 GMT
Alonso is replacing Vettel at Aston Martin next season. I would've thought Alpine are more likely to give Alonso a winning car, and Alonso has hardly made the best career moves since he was World Champion. Strange comment too: " No-one in F1 today is demonstrating a greater vision and absolute commitment to winning, and that makes it a really exciting opportunity for me." This is the team that has the owner's son driving for them. Not that Stroll is a bad driver, but there are much better available to Aston Martin. Alonso walked for a few reasons, one is obviously the money, the others are that he knew that Piastri was penned in for his seat in 2024 as that's already been publicly stated, so Alonso's desire to stay in F1 with Alpine beyond 2023 was in doubt unless Ocon's long term contract was torn up. I'm really pleased he's going to Aston, as he won't take any daddy's boy shit with Lance, in fact, Lance should be bricking it right now as he's only going to get favours from Alonso when it suits Alonso to give them out. Aston Marting have shown they have true ambition, so his statement holds true, however the team is run by a megalomaniac, the money will continue to be spunked up the garage wall.
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Aug 1, 2022 21:34:05 GMT
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Post by RedandWhite90 on Aug 1, 2022 21:34:05 GMT
I've always said this is the most dull sport on the planet (and I even attended a VIP race day event at Silverstone some years ago and still stood by it).
However, I've given the Netflix doc a go in the evenings and watched all races from Silverstone onwards this year and I'm slowly getting myself into it.
The chap who runs Mercedes is absolute Box Office. Russell, Hamilton and Sainz are fantastic, Norris is a knob and I've already garnered a strong dislike towards Verstappen.
None of which will overtake my one true petrol powered sports star; the legend Pierfrancesco Cheili.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 1, 2022 22:47:53 GMT
I've always said this is the most dull sport on the planet (and I even attended a VIP race day event at Silverstone some years ago and still stood by it). However, I've given the Netflix doc a go in the evenings and watched all races from Silverstone onwards this year and I'm slowly getting myself into it. The chap who runs Mercedes is absolute Box Office. Russell, Hamilton and Sainz are fantastic, Norris is a knob and I've already garnered a strong dislike towards Verstappen. None of which will overtake my one true petrol powered sports star; the legend Pierfrancesco Cheili. We (me and the missus) watched the documentary and are taking more of an interest in it too. Wolff is a genuine psychopath we think. We both love him.
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Post by rivival on Aug 2, 2022 2:23:34 GMT
It has to be one of the few sports where your most deadly rival is supposed to be you team mate.
They are the only one you can't make any excuses against, same car, same opportunity. So if they are beating you on a regular basis the exit door is looming.
Everything counts , have you got the latest upgrades, the best mechanics and the best guys on the pit wall. Are you good in qualifying and have good race craft to manage tyres and pick your overtaking moments.
It all adds up. I'll bet there isn't half a second between all of the drivers if they had the same car on a one lap pace. It's all those little things that make a big difference on race day.
Spa next , great track often rains on just half of it making it a big advantage for drivers who are at home with a sliding rear end. Pity they took the bus stop chicane out but Eau Rouge is a massive challenge even in the dry. Should suit the Red Bull with it's top end speed advantage but new floor regulations could well see Mercedes back in the hot seats.
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Aug 2, 2022 18:52:31 GMT
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Post by fullmetaljacket on Aug 2, 2022 18:52:31 GMT
Piastri confirmed by Alpine but not by the man himself it seems?🤣
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Post by RichieBarkerOut! on Aug 2, 2022 21:24:24 GMT
Piastri confirmed by Alpine but not by the man himself it seems?🤣 This for me is the biggest single surprise of the whole season! I'm not sure if Piastri is up to the same level as George Russell was on his path through the junior ranks, as the competition has not been as strong as previous years, but an Alpine drive for next year seemed to be close to a certainty (or Ricciardo to Alpine/Piastri to Mclaren). It looks like Mclaren link might be stronger than previously thought and Piastri's contract weaker than Alpine believed because Piastri's management would have to be monumentally stupid to let Piastri make Alpine look like a bunch of idiots unless there was a cast iron agreement in place that would guarantee him a better seat for next year.
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Post by FbrgVaStkFan on Aug 2, 2022 22:22:10 GMT
Piastri confirmed by Alpine but not by the man himself it seems?🤣 This for me is the biggest single surprise of the whole season! I'm not sure if Piastri is up to the same level as George Russell was on his path through the junior ranks, as the competition has not been as strong as previous years, but an Alpine drive for next year seemed to be close to a certainty (or Ricciardo to Alpine/Piastri to Mclaren). It looks like Mclaren link might be stronger than previously thought and Piastri's contract weaker than Alpine believed because Piastri's management would have to be monumentally stupid to let Piastri make Alpine look like a bunch of idiots unless there was a cast iron agreement in place that would guarantee him a better seat for next year. He could have probably replied a bit more tactfully by just saying he was unaware of such an agreement and leave it at that. A potential employer is always a good thing to have (now or in the future), so refrain from embarrassing them more. I guess you learn that lesson as you get older.
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Post by RichieBarkerOut! on Aug 3, 2022 9:37:37 GMT
This for me is the biggest single surprise of the whole season! I'm not sure if Piastri is up to the same level as George Russell was on his path through the junior ranks, as the competition has not been as strong as previous years, but an Alpine drive for next year seemed to be close to a certainty (or Ricciardo to Alpine/Piastri to Mclaren). It looks like Mclaren link might be stronger than previously thought and Piastri's contract weaker than Alpine believed because Piastri's management would have to be monumentally stupid to let Piastri make Alpine look like a bunch of idiots unless there was a cast iron agreement in place that would guarantee him a better seat for next year. He could have probably replied a bit more tactfully by just saying he was unaware of such an agreement and leave it at that. A potential employer is always a good thing to have (now or in the future), so refrain from embarrassing them more. I guess you learn that lesson as you get older. I get the feeling that Alpine called his bluff and it's backfiring spectacularly.
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Post by FbrgVaStkFan on Aug 28, 2022 13:06:06 GMT
Hamilton looks to be out. Wow. He's lucky he didn't flip that thing.
Edit: Turns out that was the only interesting thing in the race. Props to Hamilton for taking blame and staying classy when interviewed. Snooze fest of a race though.
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Post by rivival on Aug 28, 2022 17:50:32 GMT
When the red bull was 1.8 seconds a lap faster than the rest Verstappen could have started from Holland and still been in the points.
This bollox about close racing with this years cars is cringe worthy. Anyone can see it's like a Ferrari overtaking a Mini on most passes, no skill required at all.
Big mistake from Lewis , shame as he would have been second today in my opinion. Good drive from George beat one Ferrari and really pushed the other. Verstappen is having cruise control fitted for next race so he can have a sleep while he wins.
I would have put Lewis in a Ferrari this year and I think that is the only combination that would have challenged Max for the championship. It's not about loyalty to Mercedes it's about one of the worlds greatest drivers never having driven for Ferrari something that I think he will regret when his career is over. Leclerc couldn't beat George today never mid chase Max in a car that is clearly superior to the Mercedes. What's missing from him is experience.
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Post by Vadiation_Ribe on Aug 28, 2022 19:29:42 GMT
I felt a bit sorry for Leclerc today. Ferrari are becoming a laughing stock this season - that 5 second penalty putting Leclerc behind Alonso rubbed salt in the wounds.
Hopefully Leclerc will be stronger for the experience next season. The great drivers use adversity as a way to improve - see Hamilton after the season Rosberg beat him.
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Post by FbrgVaStkFan on Sept 4, 2022 12:57:59 GMT
Can we please have a competitive race today and not a winner after 10 laps?
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Post by rickyfullerbeer on Sept 4, 2022 14:46:14 GMT
I only caught the second half of the race but it was certainly interesting.
I'm not sure what to make of that Alpha Tour fiasco. At worst it's downright dangerous.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Sept 4, 2022 14:56:24 GMT
I only caught the second half of the race but it was certainly interesting. I'm not sure what to make of that Alpha Tour fiasco. At worst it's downright dangerous. It basically ruined what was shaping up to be a great finale
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Sept 4, 2022 15:11:48 GMT
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Post by PotteringThrough on Sept 4, 2022 15:11:48 GMT
I only caught the second half of the race but it was certainly interesting. I'm not sure what to make of that Alpha Tour fiasco. At worst it's downright dangerous. Very dangerous. Not just to restart after saying there’s a lose tire but then come back out and dawdle round for half a lap and crossing the racing line. Should be some punishment for that.
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Post by rickyfullerbeer on Sept 4, 2022 15:23:39 GMT
I don't buy into what some are saying re: their allegiances to Red Bull but it's not a good look for F1.
He must have been at least 2 laps behind by the time he was back in the pits with absolutely nothing to play for.
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Post by rivival on Sept 4, 2022 15:29:39 GMT
So today we see one driver at Mercedes trying for a win and the other saying fuck you I'm all about me me me. what a bloody pity George you just wrecked the team atmosphere with Lewis today. Expect Zero help from him going forward.
Ferrari way off the pace today seem to be going backwards, team management not helping them at all.
Red Bull needed a VSC today and low and behold one was soon provided for them otherwise that was a Mercedes win.
THEY MUST CHANGE THE RULES TO STOP TYRE CHANGES UNDER SAFETY CARS. It's making a mockery of the races.
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Post by professorplump on Sept 4, 2022 15:53:57 GMT
It would have been fascinating to see what would have happened had there been no safety cars. I think Hamilton would probably have won. However with that final safety car, I don't think it really mattered whether Russell stayed out or not as I think Max had the pace to pass both Mercs anyway.
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Post by rivival on Sept 4, 2022 18:09:22 GMT
It would have been fascinating to see what would have happened had there been no safety cars. I think Hamilton would probably have won. However with that final safety car, I don't think it really mattered whether Russell stayed out or not as I think Max had the pace to pass both Mercs anyway. I tend to agree with the pace of the Red Bull the damage was done handing them a cheap tyre change as usual. However at least he would have had to work for the win instead of being handed it on a plate from a greedy young driver who only yesterday was studying Lewis pace notes to find half a second a lap in qualifying. In short you either race for the Team or for yourself and George just laid bare what he's all about. Lando would have been a much better Team m8 for Lewis and I still believe that's who will take Lewis's spot when he eventually retires. If I was Lewis I would be going to Ferrari next season. He needs a car and they need his experience. I doubt it will happen unless Mercedes keep pissing him off with bad decisions. All I read again is how George beat Lewis today , funny how Lewis was faster in quali and in the race up until the bad decision that was neither here nor there.
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Post by RichieBarkerOut! on Sept 5, 2022 9:43:45 GMT
I have zero problems with George yesterday. he made the right call to make the pit stop and was right to pass Lewis.
It's a driver's job to put himself in the best potential position, and therefore was very smart of him to make the stop for new tyres.
Lewis was done over by the VSC and should have realised his chance of a win was over, he could have pitted for new tyres and finished second, but he and the team gambled and lost on track position.
If George had sat behind a slow Lewis there's a good chance that the team would have ended up with a 3-4 instead of the 2-4 they achieved.
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Post by hotterpotter on Sept 6, 2022 10:16:19 GMT
So today we see one driver at Mercedes trying for a win and the other saying fuck you I'm all about me me me. what a bloody pity George you just wrecked the team atmosphere with Lewis today. Expect Zero help from him going forward. Ferrari way off the pace today seem to be going backwards, team management not helping them at all. Red Bull needed a VSC today and low and behold one was soon provided for them otherwise that was a Mercedes win. THEY MUST CHANGE THE RULES TO STOP TYRE CHANGES UNDER SAFETY CARS. It's making a mockery of the races. They could be allowed to change tyres but for each track the time saving for pitting under the safety car is calculated and they have to remain stationary in the pit box for that amount of time before the tyres can be changed. That way anyone needing to change tyres for a puncture or whatever can, and anyone else also can if they want to but they don't gain from it.
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Post by FbrgVaStkFan on Sept 11, 2022 12:36:04 GMT
Why do I keep thinking the F1 pre-race show will be any good? It never is. Watching "microphone holders" yelling above the noise for an hour is just annoying to watch. I'm an idiot.
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Sept 11, 2022 12:38:08 GMT
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Sept 11, 2022 12:38:08 GMT
Why do I keep thinking the F1 pre-race show will be any good? It never is. Watching "microphone holders" yelling above the noise for an hour is just annoying to watch. I'm an idiot. Makes you wanna be sick on your frittata and cheesy grits doesn’t it😉
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Post by FbrgVaStkFan on Sept 11, 2022 12:52:17 GMT
Why do I keep thinking the F1 pre-race show will be any good? It never is. Watching "microphone holders" yelling above the noise for an hour is just annoying to watch. I'm an idiot. Makes you wanna be sick on your frittata and cheesy grits doesn’t it😉 Hah! Just finished eating. Definitely hit the spot. I hope we have an exciting race, but I suspect it will be the same slog.
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