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Post by RichieBarkerOut! on Mar 10, 2022 14:43:57 GMT
The shape of the air intake is very smart as it sucks in air rather than simply capturing the available air.
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Mar 10, 2022 14:46:56 GMT
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Post by scfcno1fan on Mar 10, 2022 14:46:56 GMT
What’s everyone kicking off about the Mercedes design for?
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Post by flea79 on Mar 10, 2022 15:24:18 GMT
What’s everyone kicking off about the Mercedes design for? go back a couple of posts i have explained it to Dutch
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Post by FbrgVaStkFan on Mar 10, 2022 21:40:34 GMT
I dont know the first thing about F1 and its technology< Im more of a BriSCA F1 Stock Car fanatic, so how do they keep the engine cool....? obviously car has a radiator but mainly relies on the car ingesting huge amounts of air through the sidepods the difficulty this year is the change in aero systems from downforce to ground effect means the air needs to flow differently through the car hence we are seeing some enormous sidepods on some cars to compensate for the reduced air around the car as its being forced inside the car through the floors now my guess is mercedes have worked out a radical cooling system that does not rely on as much air as the others it still remains to be seen if the car will be quick or quicker i should say but it will be lethal on the straights as it is more aerodynamic due to the lack of sidepods. the contention is that the wingmirror plates are being used as an aerodynamic feature which does seem against the spirit of the rules but has been signed off by the fia already i would expect to see an official complaint lodged by red bull after qualifying at bahrain but it will be largely symbolic as 8 of the 10 teams need to agree and some wont support it as mercedes supply engines and gearboxes for the cars and will not want to upset the balance we are going to see another brawn double diffuser moment where the other teams play catchup and look to copy the design, but the design is so radical its going to be hard as the whole philosophy of the car will need to be changed from the ground up fascinating stuff really, well i think so! Like anything, there are always trades. It'd be interesting to read what might be problematic with the new design and how they mitigated (or hope to mitigate) those concerns.
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Post by flea79 on Mar 10, 2022 21:45:20 GMT
obviously car has a radiator but mainly relies on the car ingesting huge amounts of air through the sidepods the difficulty this year is the change in aero systems from downforce to ground effect means the air needs to flow differently through the car hence we are seeing some enormous sidepods on some cars to compensate for the reduced air around the car as its being forced inside the car through the floors now my guess is mercedes have worked out a radical cooling system that does not rely on as much air as the others it still remains to be seen if the car will be quick or quicker i should say but it will be lethal on the straights as it is more aerodynamic due to the lack of sidepods. the contention is that the wingmirror plates are being used as an aerodynamic feature which does seem against the spirit of the rules but has been signed off by the fia already i would expect to see an official complaint lodged by red bull after qualifying at bahrain but it will be largely symbolic as 8 of the 10 teams need to agree and some wont support it as mercedes supply engines and gearboxes for the cars and will not want to upset the balance we are going to see another brawn double diffuser moment where the other teams play catchup and look to copy the design, but the design is so radical its going to be hard as the whole philosophy of the car will need to be changed from the ground up fascinating stuff really, well i think so! Like anything, there are always trades. It'd be interesting to read what might be problematic with the new design and how they mitigated (or hope to mitigate) those concerns. The cooling is most obvious issue but they must be confident as they have run it in Bahrain today and they don’t visit many warmer dry climates. The porpoising that other teams are struggling with is more pressing, the aero is stalling for n straights and causing a horrendous effect on the car
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Post by FbrgVaStkFan on Mar 10, 2022 21:59:43 GMT
^ Yes. The ground effect transition issue will be an interesting problem to solve, but may be less of an issue once the drivers get use to it and even master it.
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Post by RichieBarkerOut! on Mar 11, 2022 16:02:05 GMT
Horner is the twat that keeps on giving. First he says that the Merc is illegal, then denies making the comment, then confirms he made the comment, then reiterates that the Merc is not legal/against the spirit of the rules and now he says that the Merc is legal. I hope Toto can just keep his mouth shut this year and let Horner continue to tie himself up in knots.
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Mar 11, 2022 16:55:50 GMT
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Post by farnborostokie63 on Mar 11, 2022 16:55:50 GMT
Horner is the twat that keeps on giving. First he says that the Merc is illegal, then denies making the comment, then confirms he made the comment, then reiterates that the Merc is not legal/against the spirit of the rules and now he says that the Merc is legal. I hope Toto can just keep his mouth shut this year and let Horner continue to tie himself up in knots. one thing that spoiled f1 last year was them 2 constantly bitching about each others teams, just concentrate on your own team. makes me wonder if it was down for Netflix's benefit
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Post by flea79 on Mar 11, 2022 16:59:02 GMT
Horner is the twat that keeps on giving. First he says that the Merc is illegal, then denies making the comment, then confirms he made the comment, then reiterates that the Merc is not legal/against the spirit of the rules and now he says that the Merc is legal. I hope Toto can just keep his mouth shut this year and let Horner continue to tie himself up in knots. one thing that spoiled f1 last year was them 2 constantly bitching about each others teams, just concentrate on your own team. makes me wonder if it was down for Netflix's benefit similar wondering really, the new series has dropped today so im quite excited to see how it looked from an entertainment perspective rather than sporting as there was some fantastic racing last year even without the wdc fight
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Post by scfcwebby on Mar 11, 2022 19:17:30 GMT
By doing what they've done with the air intake, and not having the side pod, they've effectively given the car an extra wing... Genius.
And its pissed Horner off which is wonderful
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Post by rivival on Mar 12, 2022 2:14:52 GMT
I miss the days when F1 cars had 6 wheels. Tyrrell and the March wasn't it? That was a time of teams really pushing the boundaries.
F1 should be all about the cars and the drivers. Team managers are becoming "The Show" if that is by design pushed on by those that want to turn everything into a soap opera, it wouldn't surprise me.
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Post by RichieBarkerOut! on Mar 12, 2022 7:04:15 GMT
I miss the days when F1 cars had 6 wheels. Tyrrell and the March wasn't it? That was a time of teams really pushing the boundaries. F1 should be all about the cars and the drivers. Team managers are becoming "The Show" if that is by design pushed on by those that want to turn everything into a soap opera, it wouldn't surprise me. I'm sure that Netflix loves it (I've never seen DTS), but I can't see what Horner has to gain for coming across as a complete twat.
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Post by FbrgVaStkFan on Mar 13, 2022 14:35:48 GMT
Wonder what F1 will "do" about Saturday's 81 beheadings in a certain country at the end of this month...
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Post by RichieBarkerOut! on Mar 13, 2022 15:03:09 GMT
Wonder what F1 will "do" about Saturday's 81 beheadings in a certain country at the end of this month... It will encourage change through positive messenging.
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Post by FbrgVaStkFan on Mar 13, 2022 15:35:45 GMT
Wonder what F1 will "do" about Saturday's 81 beheadings in a certain country at the end of this month... It will encourage change through positive messenging. I suppose all we stone casting nations are pretty smug. Frankly, if F1 were unhypocritically consistent, it's likely all the races would probably only take place in Iceland.
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Post by ruts66 on Mar 15, 2022 15:22:42 GMT
I’ve thoroughly enjoyed bingeing the latest season of DTS on Netflix the past couple of evenings. MotoGP is more my thing but DTS has made F1 so much more accessible with all the fascinating sub plots and adventures of the ‘lesser’ teams like Haas and Williams who get such little general coverage in the shadow of Red Bull and Mercedes. A bit hammed up at times, perhaps, notably the Horner/Wolff spat, but it makes for great entertainment and I found myself actually buzzing after watching S4, E8-10 last night. Roll on the new F1 season this weekend - I’m hooked…
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Post by flea79 on Mar 15, 2022 15:55:46 GMT
I’ve thoroughly enjoyed bingeing the latest season of DTS on Netflix the past couple of evenings. MotoGP is more my thing but DTS has made F1 so much more accessible with all the fascinating sub plots and adventures of the ‘lesser’ teams like Haas and Williams who get such little general coverage in the shadow of Red Bull and Mercedes. A bit hammed up at times, perhaps, notably the Horner/Wolff spat, but it makes for great entertainment and I found myself actually buzzing after watching S4, E8-10 last night. Roll on the new F1 season this weekend - I’m hooked… take nothing at value in DTS its all contrived and edited to make it seem more dramatic than it really is/was perfect example was the Grosjean crash at Bahrain in 2020, he crashed and was out of the car inside 20-30 seconds, netflix edited this to make it look like he was in the car for minutes before getting out, it simply didnt happen like that, all for the behind the scenes action that gets shown and the unedited communications of the teams effing and jeffing but its so heavily edited you cant believe anything in it except there is race series called f1 and cars race round the world!
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Post by ruts66 on Mar 15, 2022 16:47:45 GMT
I’ve thoroughly enjoyed bingeing the latest season of DTS on Netflix the past couple of evenings. MotoGP is more my thing but DTS has made F1 so much more accessible with all the fascinating sub plots and adventures of the ‘lesser’ teams like Haas and Williams who get such little general coverage in the shadow of Red Bull and Mercedes. A bit hammed up at times, perhaps, notably the Horner/Wolff spat, but it makes for great entertainment and I found myself actually buzzing after watching S4, E8-10 last night. Roll on the new F1 season this weekend - I’m hooked… take nothing at value in DTS its all contrived and edited to make it seem more dramatic than it really is/was perfect example was the Grosjean crash at Bahrain in 2020, he crashed and was out of the car inside 20-30 seconds, netflix edited this to make it look like he was in the car for minutes before getting out, it simply didnt happen like that, all for the behind the scenes action that gets shown and the unedited communications of the teams effing and jeffing but its so heavily edited you cant believe anything in it except there is race series called f1 and cars race round the world! Agree, the drama is to be taken with a pinch of salt but as drama goes it’s bloody good telly. Before this latest series I knew nothing of the Haas sponsor or the father/son connection nor did I know of the new Williams CEO appointment and George Russell’s gravity toward Toto Wolff so there’s some factual stuff as well. Also good to see what a decent bloke Valteri Botas is for someone like me who doesn’t eat, sleep F1…
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Post by Vadiation_Ribe on Mar 17, 2022 19:30:57 GMT
Hulkenberg in for Vettel (who has COVID) this weekend. I was surprised he's had no proper F1 drive for the past three seasons. Paul di Resta's disappearance from F1 is a bigger mystery to me though. He was at least better than half the drivers on the grid.
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Post by RichieBarkerOut! on Mar 17, 2022 21:13:43 GMT
Hulkenberg in for Vettel (who has COVID) this weekend. I was surprised he's had no proper F1 drive for the past three seasons. Paul di Resta's disappearance from F1 is a bigger mystery to me though. He was at least better than half the drivers on the grid. I thought Paul di Resta was largely anonymous during his time in F1.
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Mar 17, 2022 21:19:28 GMT
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Mar 17, 2022 21:19:28 GMT
Never really been a fan of F1 since the Senna/Prost/Mansell days but I watched last season and it was brilliant. Hopefully this season will be even better. Sounds like it might be.
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Post by FbrgVaStkFan on Mar 17, 2022 21:27:16 GMT
Saw that Haas has zero sponsors. How is it possible to even show up with a good attitude on race day? Must be painfully frustrating seeing the other teams. What a money pit, but got to give them credit for effort.
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Post by RichieBarkerOut! on Mar 17, 2022 21:31:59 GMT
The way teams are struggling with the aerodynamics of the new cars suggests that there will be surprises in the first few races. It remains to be seen if Mercedes are a whole testing session behind RB, Ferrari and McClaren. I think McClaren might be the dark horse this year, they seem to be have turned up with the most sorted car out of the box. The question mark being that they may not have been adventurous enough in the first place. It appears to be easy to maximise the grip of the cars and then dial it out to prevent porpoising, but can they achieve the most grip through ground effect without aerodynamic stalling.
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Post by Vadiation_Ribe on Mar 17, 2022 21:39:46 GMT
Hulkenberg in for Vettel (who has COVID) this weekend. I was surprised he's had no proper F1 drive for the past three seasons. Paul di Resta's disappearance from F1 is a bigger mystery to me though. He was at least better than half the drivers on the grid. I thought Paul di Resta was largely anonymous during his time in F1. Not always a bad thing if you're not crashing every other race. I think it was his final full season I remember him being really good, and he came back for a one-off race where he did very well. There were stories of him not fitting in at Force India, although he was there for 2 or 3 seasons I think.
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Post by flea79 on Mar 18, 2022 9:17:00 GMT
Saw that Haas has zero sponsors. How is it possible to even show up with a good attitude on race day? Must be painfully frustrating seeing the other teams. What a money pit, but got to give them credit for effort. haas are fully funded now by Gene Haas, the Uralkali money was only about a 5th of the budget needed too run, there is also some money in from Germany related to young Micks seat they abandoned last years car and focused 100% on this years new design, i think they could start moving up the grid and start challenging for top 10 finishes week in week out
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Post by phileetin on Mar 18, 2022 9:34:40 GMT
i'm looking forward to this season,
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Post by GeneralFaye on Mar 18, 2022 15:29:50 GMT
Have Mercedes cocked up with this radical new design? all signs suggest so.
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Post by flea79 on Mar 18, 2022 16:14:44 GMT
Have Mercedes cocked up with this radical new design? all signs suggest so. or just sandbagging and tomorrow they will blow it away? guess we will find out, Hamilton is a master at playing performance down and moaning about tyres etc when he know full well he is fast and can do it... Haas going well today though
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Mar 18, 2022 18:38:06 GMT
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Post by FbrgVaStkFan on Mar 18, 2022 18:38:06 GMT
Saw that Haas has zero sponsors. How is it possible to even show up with a good attitude on race day? Must be painfully frustrating seeing the other teams. What a money pit, but got to give them credit for effort. haas are fully funded now by Gene Haas, the Uralkali money was only about a 5th of the budget needed too run, there is also some money in from Germany related to young Micks seat they abandoned last years car and focused 100% on this years new design, i think they could start moving up the grid and start challenging for top 10 finishes week in week out Glad to know. More dancers and less wallflowers...
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Post by professorplump on Mar 19, 2022 11:20:48 GMT
Have Mercedes cocked up with this radical new design? all signs suggest so. or just sandbagging and tomorrow they will blow it away? guess we will find out, Hamilton is a master at playing performance down and moaning about tyres etc when he know full well he is fast and can do it... Haas going well today though I don't think it was just sandbagging. Hamilton's car was bouncing around as though it was on Kangaroo oil. It could be that they experimented with the set up and can put it right before qualifying but I think they will be slower than Red Bull. Nice to see Ferrari looking good though.
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