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Post by metalhead on Dec 3, 2022 8:42:25 GMT
When I got down to 15st, I started playing football again. Initially 6 aside, then 11 aside for work and Sunday league. When I got down to 13, I started running 10ks. I could do with picking it back up tbh. Fair play and of course the lighter you are the easier excercise becomes. Absolutely. You lose more, you can exercise more. You also recover quicker as less stress on your body. It's 80% diet though.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Dec 3, 2022 8:47:48 GMT
Fair play and of course the lighter you are the easier excercise becomes. Absolutely. You lose more, you can exercise more. You also recover quicker as less stress on your body. It's 80% diet though. Completely agree. You can piss about with fancy diets all you like, but it's basically: calories in < calories out = weight loss doesn't need to be any more complicated than that.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Dec 3, 2022 8:48:22 GMT
Spot on. I was 15st 8 4 years back (I’m only 5’6”) and joined SW and got down to 11st 12. I’m currently 12st 0 and have never felt so good and happier. I do find that you’re treated better (not sure if that’s down to confidence) when you’re thinner too (that should never be the case). It took some brutal honesty from a friend for me to take note and get me rolling. Though I wanted to lamp him at the time it’s what I needed as having been for a health checks and had a few scares if I’d continued the lifestyle (lots of takeaways, fried food, snacking, portion control) I have no doubt I’d be diabetic now. It’s very hard to change as a lot of it’s comfort eating and it’s a vicious circle. One of my best friends and one of the nicest guys I know is morbidly obese and I see the challenges he faces (back pain, diabetes) and it’s hard to see. I worry about losing him as I’d miss him so much if he went but I don’t know how to help him without offending him. From my work I do think Schools are a lot better than they used to be with putting healthy food on the menu though kids still seem to generate towards chips and fried food. Also it’s easier and cheaper to cook for families the frozen bulk stuff like chips and sausages, fish fingers etc. If anyone is feeling depressed about there weight loss go onto the “It’s ok to not be ok” thread. Chigsy’s going on an inspirational journey at the moment which he updates us with. Brilliant work from him. I think you've answered your own question about how to deal with your obese friend in your description of how your friend dealt with you. You need to tell your mate that what you're about to say comes from a place of friendship, respect and affection and wanting the best for him, then tell him the truth... "You fat cunt, you're a disgrace" I joke, obviously! But do tell him in a much more considerate way than that. If you think about it, you can't really lose. If he acts on it, great. If he is initially mortally offended but still acts on it, still good because you've helped someone you care about, if he never talks to you again then he's not such a good friend after all. Do you really want a friend who reacts like that when all you've done is to try to help? Imagine how you'd feel if he does keel over and you'd done nothing... You’re right of course. He’s been to the doctors so he knows there’s an issue. I guess I just need to be tougher and more blunt with him as sometimes it’s better coming from a friend. As he’s in his 50s it’s almost like he feels it’s too late now and admitted defeat. I’ve thrown in SW but he’s quite a shy lad. My mate basically said “I don’t see you growing old.” when I was heavy and I sulked for a couple of hours but it’s what I needed. No one wants to hear it I guess even though they know it’s true.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Dec 3, 2022 8:49:30 GMT
Fair play and of course the lighter you are the easier excercise becomes. Absolutely. You lose more, you can exercise more. You also recover quicker as less stress on your body. It's 80% diet though. Healthy eating loses the weight and excercise tones you.
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Post by metalhead on Dec 3, 2022 8:55:17 GMT
Absolutely. You lose more, you can exercise more. You also recover quicker as less stress on your body. It's 80% diet though. Completely agree. You can piss about with fancy diets all you like, but it's basically: calories in < calories out = weight loss doesn't need to be any more complicated than that. Spot on.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Dec 3, 2022 8:58:17 GMT
I think you've answered your own question about how to deal with your obese friend in your description of how your friend dealt with you. You need to tell your mate that what you're about to say comes from a place of friendship, respect and affection and wanting the best for him, then tell him the truth... "You fat cunt, you're a disgrace" I joke, obviously! But do tell him in a much more considerate way than that. If you think about it, you can't really lose. If he acts on it, great. If he is initially mortally offended but still acts on it, still good because you've helped someone you care about, if he never talks to you again then he's not such a good friend after all. Do you really want a friend who reacts like that when all you've done is to try to help? Imagine how you'd feel if he does keel over and you'd done nothing... You’re right of course. He’s been to the doctors so he knows there’s an issue. I guess I just need to be tougher and more blunt with him as sometimes it’s better coming from a friend. As he’s in his 50s it’s almost like he feels it’s too late now and admitted defeat. I’ve thrown in SW but he’s quite a shy lad. My mate basically said “I don’t see you growing old.” when I was heavy and I sulked for a couple of hours but it’s what I needed. No one wants to hear it I guess even though they know it’s true. Yep. It's not easy. Did the same with a mate who drank too much. He didn't take it well for a while but eventually said it was exactly what he needed to hear and was the point he started to do something about it. Good luck.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on May 18, 2023 17:59:04 GMT
Interesting front page of today's Telegraph saying how much obesity costs the NHS, following a conference in Dublin on the matter.
£1400 a year for the heaviest people, twice the average healthy weight person's cost to the NHS.
£14bn a year saving to the NHS if everyone was a healthy weight apparently.
Type 2 diabetes, cancer, heart issues, back pain, stroke - plus all the days off sick that bugger up the economy.
Should being a fatty be as socially unacceptable as smoking in public places, or drink driving?
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Post by iancransonsknees on May 18, 2023 18:16:25 GMT
Interesting front page of today's Telegraph saying how much obesity costs the NHS, following a conference in Dublin on the matter. £1400 a year for the heaviest people, twice the average healthy weight person's cost to the NHS. £14bn a year saving to the NHS if everyone was a healthy weight apparently. Type 2 diabetes, cancer, heart issues, back pain, stroke - plus all the days off sick that bugger up the economy. Should being a fatty be as socially unacceptable as smoking in public places, or drink driving? Ban porkers from drinking inside pubs. Same as the smokers got. Soon sort the problem. Shouldn't be driving either, make them walk.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on May 18, 2023 18:19:44 GMT
Interesting front page of today's Telegraph saying how much obesity costs the NHS, following a conference in Dublin on the matter. £1400 a year for the heaviest people, twice the average healthy weight person's cost to the NHS. £14bn a year saving to the NHS if everyone was a healthy weight apparently. Type 2 diabetes, cancer, heart issues, back pain, stroke - plus all the days off sick that bugger up the economy. Should being a fatty be as socially unacceptable as smoking in public places, or drink driving? Ban porkers from drinking inside pubs. Same as the smokers got. Soon sort the problem. Shouldn't be driving either, make them walk. What’s your porker threshold? I’d be a little concerned👀
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Post by cheadlepotter on May 18, 2023 18:46:47 GMT
Interesting front page of today's Telegraph saying how much obesity costs the NHS, following a conference in Dublin on the matter. £1400 a year for the heaviest people, twice the average healthy weight person's cost to the NHS. £14bn a year saving to the NHS if everyone was a healthy weight apparently. Type 2 diabetes, cancer, heart issues, back pain, stroke - plus all the days off sick that bugger up the economy. Should being a fatty be as socially unacceptable as smoking in public places, or drink driving? If only the country was as bothered about the cost and affect of obesity as it is about gambling. All the fuss about a word/logo on a football shirt yet there’s fast food adverts everywhere.
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Post by elystokie on May 18, 2023 18:52:45 GMT
Interesting front page of today's Telegraph saying how much obesity costs the NHS, following a conference in Dublin on the matter. £1400 a year for the heaviest people, twice the average healthy weight person's cost to the NHS. £14bn a year saving to the NHS if everyone was a healthy weight apparently. Type 2 diabetes, cancer, heart issues, back pain, stroke - plus all the days off sick that bugger up the economy. Should being a fatty be as socially unacceptable as smoking in public places, or drink driving? If only the country was as bothered about the cost and affect of obesity as it is about gambling. All the fuss about a word/logo on a football shirt yet there’s fast food adverts everywhere. One of the issues of the 'deadly' nos canisters (average 1 death per annum) is apparently 'anecdotal concerns of littering'. Of course Maccy D's, KFC, Burger King etc generate no litter and the stuff they sell doesn't kill anyone, ever.
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Post by lordb on May 18, 2023 19:07:58 GMT
Interesting front page of today's Telegraph saying how much obesity costs the NHS, following a conference in Dublin on the matter. £1400 a year for the heaviest people, twice the average healthy weight person's cost to the NHS. £14bn a year saving to the NHS if everyone was a healthy weight apparently. Type 2 diabetes, cancer, heart issues, back pain, stroke - plus all the days off sick that bugger up the economy. Should being a fatty be as socially unacceptable as smoking in public places, or drink driving? Drink drivers kill other people as did smokers when you could smoke everywhere
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Post by iancransonsknees on May 18, 2023 19:14:04 GMT
Ban porkers from drinking inside pubs. Same as the smokers got. Soon sort the problem. Shouldn't be driving either, make them walk. What’s your porker threshold? I’d be a little concerned👀 So you should be.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on May 19, 2023 8:01:17 GMT
Interesting front page of today's Telegraph saying how much obesity costs the NHS, following a conference in Dublin on the matter. £1400 a year for the heaviest people, twice the average healthy weight person's cost to the NHS. £14bn a year saving to the NHS if everyone was a healthy weight apparently. Type 2 diabetes, cancer, heart issues, back pain, stroke - plus all the days off sick that bugger up the economy. Should being a fatty be as socially unacceptable as smoking in public places, or drink driving? Drink drivers kill other people as did smokers when you could smoke everywhere True. One directly, the other indirectly. You could argue that fatties kill people indirectly too, by being an unnecessary drain on the NHS and diverting funds and resources needlessly away from illnesses that aren't self-inflicted.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on May 20, 2023 7:39:32 GMT
We were the first industrialised country and as a population the first to move away from a rural way of life and a close connection to food production. That, two world wars and the adoption of a US style industrialised food production system killed off the skill and appreciation of cooking good food. By the 60s and 70s our food was terrible and it was only exposure to the food from countries who had retained their connection to their culinary traditions (like Italy and France) that improved matters.
Our food production, processing and distribution system (as in the US) is driven by profit. High carb, sweetened, highly processed food is relatively cheap and addictive and it isn't the manufacturer's or supermarkets or their shareholders that foot the bill for the healthcare consequences.
The pace of modern life doesn't help. Eating is still seen as "fueling up" - something to be done as quickly as possible rather than something to spend time on and enjoy.
Given the environment people are effectively encouraged to make bad choices. Eating well involves more time, effort and money and people tend to behave in accordance with the principle of least effort. Call it lazy or indisciplined but create an environment where the easy thing to do is to eat badly and that is what will happen.
Individuals need to take responsibility for what they eat but things won't get much better until the whole focus of food production and distribution moves away from pure profit. The system we have at the moment is ideal for profit - the fact it's bad for people doesn't matter to those making money out of it and it's a political no-no to question the profit motive so while politicians might make noises about the health issues of a bad diet they won't do anything to upset the (highly processed) gravy train.
Our system at the moment is pay less and we'll keep you fed but make you ill or pay us more and you can have a healthier diet. The outcome is inevitable.
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Post by thevoid on May 20, 2023 7:44:32 GMT
Binge drinking can't help. It's not just food.
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Post by mtrstudent on May 20, 2023 15:55:10 GMT
Binge drinking can't help. It's not just food. getdrunknotfat.com says the Poles I lived with have the right idea. Wanna get thinner? Vodka not beer.
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Post by twobanksoffour on Jun 5, 2023 21:43:15 GMT
We were the first industrialised country and as a population the first to move away from a rural way of life and a close connection to food production. That, two world wars and the adoption of a US style industrialised food production system killed off the skill and appreciation of cooking good food. By the 60s and 70s our food was terrible and it was only exposure to the food from countries who had retained their connection to their culinary traditions (like Italy and France) that improved matters. Our food production, processing and distribution system (as in the US) is driven by profit. High carb, sweetened, highly processed food is relatively cheap and addictive and it isn't the manufacturer's or supermarkets or their shareholders that foot the bill for the healthcare consequences. The pace of modern life doesn't help. Eating is still seen as "fueling up" - something to be done as quickly as possible rather than something to spend time on and enjoy. Given the environment people are effectively encouraged to make bad choices. Eating well involves more time, effort and money and people tend to behave in accordance with the principle of least effort. Call it lazy or indisciplined but create an environment where the easy thing to do is to eat badly and that is what will happen. Individuals need to take responsibility for what they eat but things won't get much better until the whole focus of food production and distribution moves away from pure profit. The system we have at the moment is ideal for profit - the fact it's bad for people doesn't matter to those making money out of it and it's a political no-no to question the profit motive so while politicians might make noises about the health issues of a bad diet they won't do anything to upset the (highly processed) gravy train. Our system at the moment is pay less and we'll keep you fed but make you ill or pay us more and you can have a healthier diet. The outcome is inevitable. Did anyone see Panorama tonight? It reminded me of this thread as it discussed the link between ultra processed foods and obesity and disease.
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Post by wapiti on Jun 6, 2023 0:27:04 GMT
Has Avocado Toast arrived in the UK yet? Game over once it does. When I was a nipper in Walton, I'd go into a coma after breakfast.
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Post by starkiller on Jun 6, 2023 3:17:56 GMT
We were the first industrialised country and as a population the first to move away from a rural way of life and a close connection to food production. That, two world wars and the adoption of a US style industrialised food production system killed off the skill and appreciation of cooking good food. By the 60s and 70s our food was terrible and it was only exposure to the food from countries who had retained their connection to their culinary traditions (like Italy and France) that improved matters. Our food production, processing and distribution system (as in the US) is driven by profit. High carb, sweetened, highly processed food is relatively cheap and addictive and it isn't the manufacturer's or supermarkets or their shareholders that foot the bill for the healthcare consequences. The pace of modern life doesn't help. Eating is still seen as "fueling up" - something to be done as quickly as possible rather than something to spend time on and enjoy. Given the environment people are effectively encouraged to make bad choices. Eating well involves more time, effort and money and people tend to behave in accordance with the principle of least effort. Call it lazy or indisciplined but create an environment where the easy thing to do is to eat badly and that is what will happen. Individuals need to take responsibility for what they eat but things won't get much better until the whole focus of food production and distribution moves away from pure profit. The system we have at the moment is ideal for profit - the fact it's bad for people doesn't matter to those making money out of it and it's a political no-no to question the profit motive so while politicians might make noises about the health issues of a bad diet they won't do anything to upset the (highly processed) gravy train. Our system at the moment is pay less and we'll keep you fed but make you ill or pay us more and you can have a healthier diet. The outcome is inevitable. The domination and obsession with supermarket brands also doesn't help. The real local shops selling fresh food have all but been decimated. So people do a big weekly shop and picking up daily fresh vegetables, fruit, and meat, is now less of a habit. Packaged, extended life crap, is now the order of the day. Cooking from base ingredients is also less of a skill, and as you say, there is either little time, or no time set aside for real cooking and enjoyment. Eating in front of the TV with ready meals instead. Also, the TV obsession seems more of British thing than many other countries.
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Post by hotterpotter on Jun 6, 2023 6:27:48 GMT
The world is pretty much screwed, and as usual this country seems hell-bent on being screwed just that little bit quicker.
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Post by Northy on Jun 6, 2023 6:45:15 GMT
Has Avocado Toast arrived in the UK yet? Game over once it does. When I was a nipper in Walton, I'd go into a coma after breakfast. Avocado on toast has been around for years, not seen Avocado toast
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Post by Northy on Jun 6, 2023 6:50:26 GMT
We were the first industrialised country and as a population the first to move away from a rural way of life and a close connection to food production. That, two world wars and the adoption of a US style industrialised food production system killed off the skill and appreciation of cooking good food. By the 60s and 70s our food was terrible and it was only exposure to the food from countries who had retained their connection to their culinary traditions (like Italy and France) that improved matters. Our food production, processing and distribution system (as in the US) is driven by profit. High carb, sweetened, highly processed food is relatively cheap and addictive and it isn't the manufacturer's or supermarkets or their shareholders that foot the bill for the healthcare consequences. The pace of modern life doesn't help. Eating is still seen as "fueling up" - something to be done as quickly as possible rather than something to spend time on and enjoy. Given the environment people are effectively encouraged to make bad choices. Eating well involves more time, effort and money and people tend to behave in accordance with the principle of least effort. Call it lazy or indisciplined but create an environment where the easy thing to do is to eat badly and that is what will happen. Individuals need to take responsibility for what they eat but things won't get much better until the whole focus of food production and distribution moves away from pure profit. The system we have at the moment is ideal for profit - the fact it's bad for people doesn't matter to those making money out of it and it's a political no-no to question the profit motive so while politicians might make noises about the health issues of a bad diet they won't do anything to upset the (highly processed) gravy train. Our system at the moment is pay less and we'll keep you fed but make you ill or pay us more and you can have a healthier diet. The outcome is inevitable. Did anyone see Panorama tonight? It reminded me of this thread as it discussed the link between ultra processed foods and obesity and disease. Not seen it yet but have known about it for years, podcasts to listen to, reports on it etc. We get a weekly veg and fruit box delivered to our door from a local farm, all grown within 10 miles of us, in season and picked the day before. Makes you cook everything from scratch with stuff we buy from a waste/package free refill shop.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2023 9:17:35 GMT
Interesting front page of today's Telegraph saying how much obesity costs the NHS, following a conference in Dublin on the matter. £1400 a year for the heaviest people, twice the average healthy weight person's cost to the NHS. £14bn a year saving to the NHS if everyone was a healthy weight apparently. Type 2 diabetes, cancer, heart issues, back pain, stroke - plus all the days off sick that bugger up the economy. Should being a fatty be as socially unacceptable as smoking in public places, or drink driving? Drink drivers kill other people as did smokers when you could smoke everywhere Ye this is the key point. Obesity should be viewed with compassion. It’s not comparable to drink driving. It’s just a shame for the person and their loved ones, but has little effect on anyone else. However, there is a worrying trend of attempting to not only normalise obesity but, in some extreme cases, even go so far as to celebrate it. This should be stigmatised because when certain influencers are promoting it as part of the body-positivity movement then now you could make an analogy with drink drivers. They become a grenade with shrapnel victims. Ultimately though obesity is not an immutable trait. Some people are unfortunate and have the traits/trauma that makes them susceptible. And once you’ve dug yourself into a hole, it’s incredibly difficult to fight your way out. But the fact is it will never be viewed in the same way as illnesses and disabilities that are immutable; and anyone trying to make that case is problematic.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2023 9:21:39 GMT
In answer to the title question; chips being part of the national cuisine can’t help.
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Post by wannabee on Jun 6, 2023 9:29:41 GMT
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Post by Northy on Jun 6, 2023 9:40:45 GMT
In answer to the title question; chips being part of the national cuisine can’t help. Weve had chips in the cuisine for years and years, hardly anyone was fat in the 70's and early 80's, it's only since supermarkets and fast food joints and takeaways have come along that people are getting fat and obese. Chips in moderation aren't an issue, it's how many times you have them is an issue, and some chips aren't even potatoes these days, just manufactured mush that looks like one.
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Post by elystokie on Jun 6, 2023 9:50:07 GMT
In answer to the title question; chips being part of the national cuisine can’t help. Weve had hips in the cuisine for years and years, hardly anyone was fat in the 70's and early 80's, it's only since supermarkets and fast food joints and takeaways have come along that people are getting fat and obese. Chips in moderation aren't an issue, it's how many times you have them is an issue, and some chips aren't even potatoes these days, just manufactured mush that looks like one. Alf Tupper made his own way around the country and won countless races at athletic meetings on a diet of pretty much just fish and chips! 😄
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2023 10:13:01 GMT
In answer to the title question; chips being part of the national cuisine can’t help. Weve had chips in the cuisine for years and years, hardly anyone was fat in the 70's and early 80's, it's only since supermarkets and fast food joints and takeaways have come along that people are getting fat and obese. Chips in moderation aren't an issue, it's how many times you have them is an issue, and some chips aren't even potatoes these days, just manufactured mush that looks like one. Agree, although to be honest I wasn’t making a serious point. 😅
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Post by cvillestokie on Jun 6, 2023 10:32:22 GMT
In answer to the title question; chips being part of the national cuisine can’t help. Weve had chips in the cuisine for years and years, hardly anyone was fat in the 70's and early 80's, it's only since supermarkets and fast food joints and takeaways have come along that people are getting fat and obese. Chips in moderation aren't an issue, it's how many times you have them is an issue, and some chips aren't even potatoes these days, just manufactured mush that looks like one. How many in the 70s and 80s could afford to eat as much junk food as they can now? Value packs of chocolate, crisps etc are so cheap in comparison to a person’s salary. A few huge things have happened in the last couple of generations: 1) women took more and more full time jobs 2) companies likes Cadbury realized the adage that capitalism is about turning a luxury into a necessity. I don’t blame women for 1. I blame society for not figuring out how to combat that and I blame food companies for making increasingly worse “ready meals” and pretending that they are good for you. Instead of home made meals, families working long hours spend less time in the kitchen and try to make do with what they can. As for companies like Cadbury, they’ve made fortunes off getting children fat and hoping that they’ll stay that way as adults.
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