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Post by metalhead on Dec 2, 2022 16:14:47 GMT
Been on a bit of a mini holiday this week. Amazed at just how many overweight Brits I've seen. I would say every 4 out of 5 have either been very overweight or flat out obese.
I honestly think we should be declaring a state of a emergency. Right by the hotel, there's a place renting mobility scooters... Naturally, these are being hoovered up by the obese residents rather than those who are disabled through non-weight related mobility issues.
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Post by metalhead on Dec 2, 2022 16:17:18 GMT
A tradtional English breakfast is a greasy spoon, we just love fatty unhealthy foods, takeaways & beer, and the fatter we get the more fat we need š The brits just love the lard arse look, it's the tell tale sign whose the brit when you're abroad. Them continental lads have got it right good, have you seen how fit these Eastern European girls are that are over here every one is tone perfect. As a working class brit you're punching if you've got a slim british bird, harsh maybe but true all the same Your point about requiring more energy when overweight is spot on. The fatter you are, the more you need to eat. Being fat, makes you eat more. Eating more means you gain... It's a rapid and vicious cycle. To lose weight, people have to be disciplined. Been there. Done it. Kept it off. You can have the occasional wobble, but to stay at a relatively healthy weight is a lifestyle choice. You either eat healthy, or you take steps you burn calories.
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Post by yes on Dec 2, 2022 16:35:09 GMT
A tradtional English breakfast is a greasy spoon, we just love fatty unhealthy foods, takeaways & beer, and the fatter we get the more fat we need š The brits just love the lard arse look, it's the tell tale sign whose the brit when you're abroad. Them continental lads have got it right good, have you seen how fit these Eastern European girls are that are over here every one is tone perfect. As a working class brit you're punching if you've got a slim british bird, harsh maybe but true all the same Your point about requiring more energy when overweight is spot on. The fatter you are, the more you need to eat. Being fat, makes you eat more. Eating more means you gain... It's a rapid and vicious cycle. To lose weight, people have to be disciplined. Been there. Done it. Kept it off. You can have the occasional wobble, but to stay at a relatively healthy weight is a lifestyle choice. You either eat healthy, or you take steps you burn calories. Same, lost loads of weight about 5 years ago after making that lifestyle choice. Find a sport or exercise you love and do it very regularly. I donāt worry about what I eat now.
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Post by cvillestokie on Dec 2, 2022 17:05:35 GMT
When people talk about the challenges facing the NHS, obesity is the biggest. Obesity is not linked to any positive health outcome by any kind of robust consensus that I can think of.
At least smokers often have the good Grace to die quickly when they get ill from their life choices. The obese just keep coming.
All the money that is pumped into type II diabetes research drives me insane. Itās a mental health issue, tackle the cause, not the consequence.
Personally, I think that the obesity crisis is the biggest reason for increases in a lot of cancers occurring in younger populations. To me, the change in diet is rooted in our (and Americaās) inability to compensate for women becoming (more) equal members of the workforce. When that happened, fast food companies capitalized, realizing that there was less time to be spent in the home to cook (I am not blaming women here by the way, but the food industry and societyās general inability to change in accordance with such a shift). They then make terrible quality food and since the 80ās, dunk a tonne of high fructose corn syrup into it all. Why corn syrup? Because farms were failing and they needed to find a way to increase profits from somewhere.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2022 17:16:48 GMT
Demis Russos didn't help. There he was, massively overweight, wearing a Homer mumu and surrounded by beautiful ladies. He basically gave out a signal to be 25 stone plus by eating Greek food was ok. You'd still get tons of chicks and get clothes to fit.
He'd be rubbish on the Stoke concourses.
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Post by metalhead on Dec 2, 2022 17:28:37 GMT
Your point about requiring more energy when overweight is spot on. The fatter you are, the more you need to eat. Being fat, makes you eat more. Eating more means you gain... It's a rapid and vicious cycle. To lose weight, people have to be disciplined. Been there. Done it. Kept it off. You can have the occasional wobble, but to stay at a relatively healthy weight is a lifestyle choice. You either eat healthy, or you take steps you burn calories. Same, lost loads of weight about 5 years ago after making that lifestyle choice. Find a sport or exercise you love and do it very regularly. I donāt worry about what I eat now. I have had to concede that I'm not doing the exercise I once was. I've counter acted by eating less. For some reason, we've been conditioned to believe that we need loads of food. "Three meals a day", "breakfast the most important meal of the day", "you have to eat well to lose weight".... It's all complete bollocks. Our ancestors would go for days without eating. Three good meals a day made perfect sense when we were all working hugely physical jobs burning off about 4000 calories a day. We now overwhelmingly work at home or in a office where we may only burn 1200 calories in an entire day. As such, we should be adjusting our diet to suit. Skipping meals is fine. Fasting is fine. Consuming just enough calories to live healthily ensures you don't gain and actively promotes a healthy lifestyle.
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Post by metalhead on Dec 2, 2022 17:29:43 GMT
When people talk about the challenges facing the NHS, obesity is the biggest. Obesity is not linked to any positive health outcome by any kind of robust consensus that I can think of. At least smokers often have the good Grace to die quickly when they get ill from their life choices. The obese just keep coming. All the money that is pumped into type II diabetes research drives me insane. Itās a mental health issue, tackle the cause, not the consequence. Personally, I think that the obesity crisis is the biggest reason for increases in a lot of cancers occurring in younger populations. To me, the change in diet is rooted in our (and Americaās) inability to compensate for women becoming (more) equal members of the workforce. When that happened, fast food companies capitalized, realizing that there was less time to be spent in the home to cook (I am not blaming women here by the way, but the food industry and societyās general inability to change in accordance with such a shift). They then make terrible quality food and since the 80ās, dunk a tonne of high fructose corn syrup into it all. Why corn syrup? Because farms were failing and they needed to find a way to increase profits from somewhere. when the nhs ran a campaign saying being obese is now more dangerous than smoking, they were accused of fat shaming. That's the problem.
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Post by cheadlepotter on Dec 2, 2022 18:11:08 GMT
Been on a bit of a mini holiday this week. Amazed at just how many overweight Brits I've seen. I would say every 4 out of 5 have either been very overweight or flat out obese. I honestly think we should be declaring a state of a emergency. Right by the hotel, there's a place renting mobility scooters... Naturally, these are being hoovered up by the obese residents rather than those who are disabled through non-weight related mobility issues. Sounds like an episode of Benidorm! I went to Madeira last week and I couldnāt help but notice the Europeans all ate a more varied and healthy diet. There werenāt many fellow British folk to compare to though and even in my mid 30s I was one of the younger guests there. My diet isnāt brilliant and with me being unable to do much exercise I should probably look after myself a bit more in that respect. My lame excuse is that my wife works most evenings and my kids wont eat many different meals so I get stuck in a cycle of easy meals as I canāt stand cooking for long.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Dec 2, 2022 18:46:43 GMT
When people talk about the challenges facing the NHS, obesity is the biggest. Obesity is not linked to any positive health outcome by any kind of robust consensus that I can think of. At least smokers often have the good Grace to die quickly when they get ill from their life choices. The obese just keep coming. All the money that is pumped into type II diabetes research drives me insane. Itās a mental health issue, tackle the cause, not the consequence. Personally, I think that the obesity crisis is the biggest reason for increases in a lot of cancers occurring in younger populations. To me, the change in diet is rooted in our (and Americaās) inability to compensate for women becoming (more) equal members of the workforce. When that happened, fast food companies capitalized, realizing that there was less time to be spent in the home to cook (I am not blaming women here by the way, but the food industry and societyās general inability to change in accordance with such a shift). They then make terrible quality food and since the 80ās, dunk a tonne of high fructose corn syrup into it all. Why corn syrup? Because farms were failing and they needed to find a way to increase profits from somewhere. when the nhs ran a campaign saying being obese is now more dangerous than smoking, they were accused of fat shaming. That's the problem. There are no doubt a few people who have medically diagnosed conditions that result in their obesity. Let's be kind and say that's 10% of the overweight. That leaves 90% who should be ashamed, frankly. It's their choice to overeat and overdrink and make themselves obese. It wouldn't matter if it wasn't such a drain on NHS resources. Like others have stated, on holiday in November, it was immediately obvious who the Brits were: fat, often smoking, out of shape, eating shit food. Apparently treating the consequences of obesity costs the NHS Ā£5bn a year. Worth remembering when the nurses are on strike for a payrise - that'd help fund it for a start.
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Post by metalhead on Dec 2, 2022 18:50:19 GMT
Been on a bit of a mini holiday this week. Amazed at just how many overweight Brits I've seen. I would say every 4 out of 5 have either been very overweight or flat out obese. I honestly think we should be declaring a state of a emergency. Right by the hotel, there's a place renting mobility scooters... Naturally, these are being hoovered up by the obese residents rather than those who are disabled through non-weight related mobility issues. Sounds like an episode of Benidorm! I went to Madeira last week and I couldnāt help but notice the Europeans all ate a more varied and healthy diet. There werenāt many fellow British folk to compare to though and even in my mid 30s I was one of the younger guests there. My diet isnāt brilliant and with me being unable to do much exercise I should probably look after myself a bit more in that respect. My lame excuse is that my wife works most evenings and my kids wont eat many different meals so I get stuck in a cycle of easy meals as I canāt stand cooking for long. I'll let you work out where I've been It's not the diet imo, it's simply calories in, calories out. There's a chap in America who has lived off big Macs for about 30 years. He holds the world record for most eaten. He's a scrawny guy who is above average in all the health checks. He simply doesn't overdo it. European diets are probably lower in calories overall but it shouldn't. Really, it's just about calorie maintenance. If you have a terrible week, aim to diet / fast hard the next week. Thermodynamics. It balances out.
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Post by metalhead on Dec 2, 2022 19:13:40 GMT
when the nhs ran a campaign saying being obese is now more dangerous than smoking, they were accused of fat shaming. That's the problem. There are no doubt a few people who have medically diagnosed conditions that result in their obesity. Let's be kind and say that's 10% of the overweight. That leaves 90% who should be ashamed, frankly. It's their choice to overeat and overdrink and make themselves obese. It wouldn't matter if it wasn't such a drain on NHS resources. Like others have stated, on holiday in November, it was immediately obvious who the Brits were: fat, often smoking, out of shape, eating shit food. Apparently treating the consequences of obesity costs the NHS Ā£5bn a year. Worth remembering when the nurses are on strike for a payrise - that'd help fund it for a start. Wasn't aware of that fact. Horrifying to know though.
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Post by knype on Dec 2, 2022 19:18:40 GMT
when the nhs ran a campaign saying being obese is now more dangerous than smoking, they were accused of fat shaming. That's the problem. There are no doubt a few people who have medically diagnosed conditions that result in their obesity. Let's be kind and say that's 10% of the overweight. That leaves 90% who should be ashamed, frankly. It's their choice to overeat and overdrink and make themselves obese. It wouldn't matter if it wasn't such a drain on NHS resources. Like others have stated, on holiday in November, it was immediately obvious who the Brits were: fat, often smoking, out of shape, eating shit food. Apparently treating the consequences of obesity costs the NHS Ā£5bn a year. Worth remembering when the nurses are on strike for a payrise - that'd help fund it for a start. Wow...
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Post by dutchstokie on Dec 2, 2022 19:20:07 GMT
Does anybody on here use the app āvirtuagym foodā
You can set the amount of calories you want per day, fill in what you have for brekkie lunch and dinner, then just fill in what you eat by just scanning the bar code.
I set mine at 1800 calories per day and honestly Iām struggling to reach it. Iām stuffed most days My gut just dropped off me and coupling this with Krav Maga I just feel a load better and sleeping way better than I used to.
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Post by cheadlepotter on Dec 2, 2022 19:20:38 GMT
when the nhs ran a campaign saying being obese is now more dangerous than smoking, they were accused of fat shaming. That's the problem. There are no doubt a few people who have medically diagnosed conditions that result in their obesity. Let's be kind and say that's 10% of the overweight. That leaves 90% who should be ashamed, frankly. It's their choice to overeat and overdrink and make themselves obese. It wouldn't matter if it wasn't such a drain on NHS resources. Like others have stated, on holiday in November, it was immediately obvious who the Brits were: fat, often smoking, out of shape, eating shit food. Apparently treating the consequences of obesity costs the NHS Ā£5bn a year. Worth remembering when the nurses are on strike for a payrise - that'd help fund it for a start. The cost to the NHS is shocking. I used to work in a bookies and the regulations regarding problem gambling were seemingly endless and have probably got tougher. Now Iām not saying we shouldnāt have had to look after folk (though self-responsibility was a foreign concept to some), but if someone walks into a bookies and shows any one of the multiple signs of problem gambling processes have to be gone through but if a fatty walks into McDonalds and orders a mountain of fried food every day then nobody bats at eyelid, the staff are under no pressure to refuse service or offer help and guidance. All this when obesity obviously causes many more problems than gambling does.
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Post by elystokie on Dec 2, 2022 19:43:42 GMT
There should be drop in centres, or even mobile vans, where people can voluntarily get a medical checkup and subsequent advice easily and freely - lung function, cholesterol and blood pressure would be a start and wouldn't take long at all.
Some people are just in denial, I was with smoking, a wake up call or a mate/relative being incentivised in that way might be all it takes.
Free cookery classes might help too, we can choose from well over a hundred takeaways to deliver to us apparently, I presume there's that many for good reason.
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Dec 2, 2022 19:48:00 GMT
I lost and kept off 3 stone with a no carb diet. I do loads of sports/exercise but the old saying that you canāt outrun a bad diet is spot on.
America is desperate place for food.
Youāre family can eat shite takeaway food for a couple of bucks but if you want to eat reasonably healthy it becomes very very expensive
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Post by metalhead on Dec 2, 2022 19:51:34 GMT
I lost and kept off 3 stone with a no carb diet. I do loads of sports/exercise but the old saying that you canāt outrun a bad diet is spot on. America is desperate place for food. Youāre family can eat shite takeaway food for a couple of bucks but if you want to eat reasonably healthy it becomes very very expensive spot on. It's 80% diet, 20% exercise. Unless you're Michael Phelps, you ain't burning a crap diet. However, once you've lost weight, maintaining isn't too hard, even if you do have a not so brilliant diet overall.
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Dec 2, 2022 19:52:53 GMT
I also do intermittent fasting, once a week Iāll eat nothing at all for 24 hours, only water. Iām trying to increase the length of the fasts and have managed 50 hours. Iām looking to work it up to 5 days and do that twice a year.
I feel fantastic after each one but it takes a fair chunk of willpower
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Post by metalhead on Dec 2, 2022 20:02:08 GMT
I also do intermittent fasting, once a week Iāll eat nothing at all for 24 hours, only water. Iām trying to increase the length of the fasts and have managed 50 hours. Iām looking to work it up to 5 days and do that twice a year. I feel fantastic after each one but it takes a fair chunk of willpower Fasting is something I've talked at length about in the original fasting thread. Longest I've gone is basically 3 days. Done it a few times. Last meal Sunday evening, next meal Wednesday evening. I really recommend giving it a try. I found that Tuesday, my body felt unbelievable. As if it was burning energy and that was making me sharp, alert and hyper productive. Wednesday was usually fine until the evening, where a headache hit me every time. At that point, slowly reintroduce food. It's a great way to reset your body.
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Post by swampmongrel on Dec 2, 2022 20:02:30 GMT
Chocolate hobnobs is the answer. You canāt find them on the continent.
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Post by sticky on Dec 2, 2022 23:38:12 GMT
Lost a few stone on a keto diet but ends up coming back eventuallyš¤¦š»āāļø I definitely put weight on the winter and drop it off in the summer, weather certainly effects my diet and hunger levelsā¦ not my drinking levels thoughš looked for low carb lagers before but the carb info on a can of lager is shockingly bad, must be a nightmare if your diabetic
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Post by oggyoggy on Dec 3, 2022 0:08:25 GMT
Brexit
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Post by iancransonsknees on Dec 3, 2022 6:03:45 GMT
There are no doubt a few people who have medically diagnosed conditions that result in their obesity. Let's be kind and say that's 10% of the overweight. That leaves 90% who should be ashamed, frankly. It's their choice to overeat and overdrink and make themselves obese. It wouldn't matter if it wasn't such a drain on NHS resources. Like others have stated, on holiday in November, it was immediately obvious who the Brits were: fat, often smoking, out of shape, eating shit food. Apparently treating the consequences of obesity costs the NHS Ā£5bn a year. Worth remembering when the nurses are on strike for a payrise - that'd help fund it for a start. The cost to the NHS is shocking. I used to work in a bookies and the regulations regarding problem gambling were seemingly endless and have probably got tougher. Now Iām not saying we shouldnāt have had to look after folk (though self-responsibility was a foreign concept to some), but if someone walks into a bookies and shows any one of the multiple signs of problem gambling processes have to be gone through but if a fatty walks into McDonalds and orders a mountain of fried food every day then nobody bats at eyelid, the staff are under no pressure to refuse service or offer help and guidance. All this when obesity obviously causes many more problems than gambling does. Those ordering screens in McDonald's should be like the photos on fag packets, showing the consequences of obesity.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Dec 3, 2022 7:19:22 GMT
A tradtional English breakfast is a greasy spoon, we just love fatty unhealthy foods, takeaways & beer, and the fatter we get the more fat we need š The brits just love the lard arse look, it's the tell tale sign whose the brit when you're abroad. Them continental lads have got it right good, have you seen how fit these Eastern European girls are that are over here every one is tone perfect. As a working class brit you're punching if you've got a slim british bird, harsh maybe but true all the same Your point about requiring more energy when overweight is spot on. The fatter you are, the more you need to eat. Being fat, makes you eat more. Eating more means you gain... It's a rapid and vicious cycle. To lose weight, people have to be disciplined. Been there. Done it. Kept it off. You can have the occasional wobble, but to stay at a relatively healthy weight is a lifestyle choice. You either eat healthy, or you take steps you burn calories. Spot on. I was 15st 8 4 years back (Iām only 5ā6ā) and joined SW and got down to 11st 12. Iām currently 12st 0 and have never felt so good and happier. I do find that youāre treated better (not sure if thatās down to confidence) when youāre thinner too (that should never be the case). It took some brutal honesty from a friend for me to take note and get me rolling. Though I wanted to lamp him at the time itās what I needed as having been for a health checks and had a few scares if Iād continued the lifestyle (lots of takeaways, fried food, snacking, portion control) I have no doubt Iād be diabetic now. Itās very hard to change as a lot of itās comfort eating and itās a vicious circle. One of my best friends and one of the nicest guys I know is morbidly obese and I see the challenges he faces (back pain, diabetes) and itās hard to see. I worry about losing him as Iād miss him so much if he went but I donāt know how to help him without offending him. From my work I do think Schools are a lot better than they used to be with putting healthy food on the menu though kids still seem to generate towards chips and fried food. Also itās easier and cheaper to cook for families the frozen bulk stuff like chips and sausages, fish fingers etc. If anyone is feeling depressed about there weight loss go onto the āItās ok to not be okā thread. Chigsyās going on an inspirational journey at the moment which he updates us with. Brilliant work from him.
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Post by metalhead on Dec 3, 2022 8:09:33 GMT
Your point about requiring more energy when overweight is spot on. The fatter you are, the more you need to eat. Being fat, makes you eat more. Eating more means you gain... It's a rapid and vicious cycle. To lose weight, people have to be disciplined. Been there. Done it. Kept it off. You can have the occasional wobble, but to stay at a relatively healthy weight is a lifestyle choice. You either eat healthy, or you take steps you burn calories. Spot on. I was 15st 8 4 years back (Iām only 5ā6ā) and joined SW and got down to 11st 12. Iām currently 12st 0 and have never felt so good and happier. I do find that youāre treated better (not sure if thatās down to confidence) when youāre thinner too (that should never be the case). It took some brutal honesty from a friend for me to take note and get me rolling though I wanted to lamp him at the time itās what I needed as having been for a health checks and had a few scares if Iād continued the lifestyle (lots of takeaways, fried food, snacking, portion control) I have no doubt Iād be diabetic now. Itās very hard to change as a lot of itās comfort eating and itās a vicious circle. One of my best friends and one of the nicest guys I know is morbidly obese and I see the challenges he faces (back pain, diabetes) and itās hard to see. I worry about losing him as Iād miss him so much if he went but I donāt know how to help him without offending him. From my work I do think Schools are a lot better than they used to be with putting healthy food on the menu though kids still seem to generate towards chips and fried food. Also itās easier and cheaper to cook for families the frozen bulk stuff like chips and sausages, fish fingers etc. If anyone is feeling depressed about there weight loss go onto the āItās ok to not be okā thread. Chigsyās going on an inspirational journey at the moment which he updates us with. Brilliant work from him. At my heaviest I was just shy of 20. 5ft9 ish. A combination of eating fast food on the way to and from work with intermittent snacking in the middle. I always remind people (and myself) that it didn't happen overnight and took 2-3 years. There are photos of me as I was ballooning and you can see the transformation but I don't remember anyone ever telling me "mate... Stop. Look at what's happening" until it was too late, by which point I was a real mess, very overweight, if not obese. I remember once getting a taxi up Stanley Matthews way, that's how bad it was. I played the role very well and I sort of assumed the position of 'the fat one' among my mates. I didn't mind playing that role and was never given a hard time. I think being overweight resulted in a lot of negative pre-judgement in my work though. I think I was probably viewed as like the 'happy chappy fat lad' who is too undisciplined to trust in a role with authority and therefore was repeatedly overlooked for promotions and opportunities when I was clearly the ideal candidate. I started with SW but eventually developed my own plan which is more around calorie counting, fasting and maintenance. Not knocking SW but for me, it should be the foundation of a good diet rather than religiously followed. It's just a too rigid. What if you want a meal out with the fam? Once the weight was gone (8st in 8 months precisely), I noticed that the same people at work who had previously overlooked me for opportunities would constantly address me in relation to my previous weight-loss. "This guy has lost a huge amount of weight, pull out a picture mate, show him", "...I'm only here to drop off that form you needed mate". I was never really allowed to forget it. Moved to a different company and the difference was immediate. Shackles off. My previous weight metaphorically forgotten, I've since surpassed the kind of positions I was previously deemed unsuitable for. I only talk about my previous weight loss when I deem necessary and on my terms, usually as a form of motivation for others. I was never taught about calories, fasting, meal skipping or any of that. Had I known, I would have been better prepared to avoid massive gain. I was taught that you need three (big) meals a day etc. Suspect it's a typical working class upbringing which is why so many obese tend to be from lower income backgrounds. I' ll have a read. Edit: Just to add, those guys at work who used to say "get a photo out", I'm absolutely sure they meant well by it. I certainly don't think they meant any harm and perhaps even felt proud and were celebrating an achievement by one of their staff. What it meant however, was that I could never lose the stigma of being that undisciplined fat lad.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Dec 3, 2022 8:18:16 GMT
Spot on. I was 15st 8 4 years back (Iām only 5ā6ā) and joined SW and got down to 11st 12. Iām currently 12st 0 and have never felt so good and happier. I do find that youāre treated better (not sure if thatās down to confidence) when youāre thinner too (that should never be the case). It took some brutal honesty from a friend for me to take note and get me rolling though I wanted to lamp him at the time itās what I needed as having been for a health checks and had a few scares if Iād continued the lifestyle (lots of takeaways, fried food, snacking, portion control) I have no doubt Iād be diabetic now. Itās very hard to change as a lot of itās comfort eating and itās a vicious circle. One of my best friends and one of the nicest guys I know is morbidly obese and I see the challenges he faces (back pain, diabetes) and itās hard to see. I worry about losing him as Iād miss him so much if he went but I donāt know how to help him without offending him. From my work I do think Schools are a lot better than they used to be with putting healthy food on the menu though kids still seem to generate towards chips and fried food. Also itās easier and cheaper to cook for families the frozen bulk stuff like chips and sausages, fish fingers etc. If anyone is feeling depressed about there weight loss go onto the āItās ok to not be okā thread. Chigsyās going on an inspirational journey at the moment which he updates us with. Brilliant work from him. At my heaviest I was just shy of 20. 5ft9 ish. A combination of eating fast food on the way to and from work with intermittent snacking in the middle. I always remind people (and myself) that it didn't happen overnight and took 2-3 years. There are photos of me as I was ballooning and you can see the transformation but I don't remember anyone ever telling me "mate... Stop. Look at what's happening" until it was too late, by which point I was a real mess, very overweight, if not obese. I remember once getting a taxi up Stanley Matthews way, that's how bad it was. I played the role very well and I sort of assumed the position of 'the fat one' among my mates. I didn't mind playing that role and was never given a hard time. I think being overweight resulted in a lot of negative pre-judgement in my work though. I think I was probably viewed as like the 'happy chappy fat lad' who is too undisciplined to trust in a role with authority and therefore was repeatedly overlooked for promotions and opportunities when I was clearly the ideal candidate. I started with SW but eventually developed my own plan which is more around calorie counting, fasting and maintenance. Not knocking SW but for me, it should be the foundation of a good diet rather than religiously followed. It's just a too rigid. What if you want a meal out with the fam? Once the weight was gone (8st in 8 months precisely), I noticed that the same people at work who had previously overlooked me for opportunities would constantly address me in relation to my previous weight-loss. "This guy has lost a huge amount of weight, pull out a picture mate, show him", "...I'm only here to drop off that form you needed mate". I was never really allowed to forget it. Moved to a different company and the difference was immediate. Shackles off. My previous weight metaphorically forgotten, I've since surpassed the kind of positions I was previously deemed unsuitable for. I only talk about my previous weight loss when I deem necessary and on my terms, usually as a form of motivation for others. I was never taught about calories, fasting, meal skipping or any of that. Had I known, I would have been better prepared to avoid massive gain. I was taught that you need three (big) meals a day etc. Suspect it's a typical working class upbringing which is why so many obese tend to be from lower income backgrounds. I' ll have a read. Great post. Spot on re SW after the initial sin counting itās all about cutting the crap out. Once youāre on a roll it becomes quite addictive. Once youāre past the first month it becomes easier as the craving/habits stop. The biggest thing for me wasnāt the advice it was being around other people facing the same challenges and that weekly weigh in. Iām now at a stage where I have takeaways but theyāre now treats rather than a 4-5 times a week event. Great work Metal for proving the doubters wrong. Did you supplement the weight loss with exercise too?
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Post by metalhead on Dec 3, 2022 8:31:57 GMT
At my heaviest I was just shy of 20. 5ft9 ish. A combination of eating fast food on the way to and from work with intermittent snacking in the middle. I always remind people (and myself) that it didn't happen overnight and took 2-3 years. There are photos of me as I was ballooning and you can see the transformation but I don't remember anyone ever telling me "mate... Stop. Look at what's happening" until it was too late, by which point I was a real mess, very overweight, if not obese. I remember once getting a taxi up Stanley Matthews way, that's how bad it was. I played the role very well and I sort of assumed the position of 'the fat one' among my mates. I didn't mind playing that role and was never given a hard time. I think being overweight resulted in a lot of negative pre-judgement in my work though. I think I was probably viewed as like the 'happy chappy fat lad' who is too undisciplined to trust in a role with authority and therefore was repeatedly overlooked for promotions and opportunities when I was clearly the ideal candidate. I started with SW but eventually developed my own plan which is more around calorie counting, fasting and maintenance. Not knocking SW but for me, it should be the foundation of a good diet rather than religiously followed. It's just a too rigid. What if you want a meal out with the fam? Once the weight was gone (8st in 8 months precisely), I noticed that the same people at work who had previously overlooked me for opportunities would constantly address me in relation to my previous weight-loss. "This guy has lost a huge amount of weight, pull out a picture mate, show him", "...I'm only here to drop off that form you needed mate". I was never really allowed to forget it. Moved to a different company and the difference was immediate. Shackles off. My previous weight metaphorically forgotten, I've since surpassed the kind of positions I was previously deemed unsuitable for. I only talk about my previous weight loss when I deem necessary and on my terms, usually as a form of motivation for others. I was never taught about calories, fasting, meal skipping or any of that. Had I known, I would have been better prepared to avoid massive gain. I was taught that you need three (big) meals a day etc. Suspect it's a typical working class upbringing which is why so many obese tend to be from lower income backgrounds. I' ll have a read. Great post. Spot on re SW after the initial sin counting itās all about cutting the crap out. Once youāre on a roll it becomes quite addictive. Once youāre past the first month it becomes easier as the craving/habits stop. The biggest thing for me wasnāt the advice it was being around other people facing the same challenges and that weekly weigh in. Iām now at a stage where I have takeaways but theyāre now treats rather than a 4-5 times a week event. Great work Metal for proving the doubters wrong. Did you supplement the weight loss with exercise too? When I got down to 15st, I started playing football again. Initially 6 aside, then 11 aside for work and Sunday league. When I got down to 13, I started running 10ks. I could do with picking it back up tbh.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Dec 3, 2022 8:34:05 GMT
Your point about requiring more energy when overweight is spot on. The fatter you are, the more you need to eat. Being fat, makes you eat more. Eating more means you gain... It's a rapid and vicious cycle. To lose weight, people have to be disciplined. Been there. Done it. Kept it off. You can have the occasional wobble, but to stay at a relatively healthy weight is a lifestyle choice. You either eat healthy, or you take steps you burn calories. Spot on. I was 15st 8 4 years back (Iām only 5ā6ā) and joined SW and got down to 11st 12. Iām currently 12st 0 and have never felt so good and happier. I do find that youāre treated better (not sure if thatās down to confidence) when youāre thinner too (that should never be the case). It took some brutal honesty from a friend for me to take note and get me rolling. Though I wanted to lamp him at the time itās what I needed as having been for a health checks and had a few scares if Iād continued the lifestyle (lots of takeaways, fried food, snacking, portion control) I have no doubt Iād be diabetic now. Itās very hard to change as a lot of itās comfort eating and itās a vicious circle. One of my best friends and one of the nicest guys I know is morbidly obese and I see the challenges he faces (back pain, diabetes) and itās hard to see. I worry about losing him as Iād miss him so much if he went but I donāt know how to help him without offending him. From my work I do think Schools are a lot better than they used to be with putting healthy food on the menu though kids still seem to generate towards chips and fried food. Also itās easier and cheaper to cook for families the frozen bulk stuff like chips and sausages, fish fingers etc. If anyone is feeling depressed about there weight loss go onto the āItās ok to not be okā thread. Chigsyās going on an inspirational journey at the moment which he updates us with. Brilliant work from him. I think you've answered your own question about how to deal with your obese friend in your description of how your friend dealt with you. You need to tell your mate that what you're about to say comes from a place of friendship, respect and affection and wanting the best for him, then tell him the truth... "You fat cunt, you're a disgrace" I joke, obviously! But do tell him in a much more considerate way than that. If you think about it, you can't really lose. If he acts on it, great. If he is initially mortally offended but still acts on it, still good because you've helped someone you care about, if he never talks to you again then he's not such a good friend after all. Do you really want a friend who reacts like that when all you've done is to try to help? Imagine how you'd feel if he does keel over and you'd done nothing...
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Post by steve66 on Dec 3, 2022 8:37:43 GMT
McDonaldās, no kidding 6 from 10 drivers I see going over speed limit locally turn into McDonaldās!!
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Post by cobhamstokey on Dec 3, 2022 8:39:08 GMT
Great post. Spot on re SW after the initial sin counting itās all about cutting the crap out. Once youāre on a roll it becomes quite addictive. Once youāre past the first month it becomes easier as the craving/habits stop. The biggest thing for me wasnāt the advice it was being around other people facing the same challenges and that weekly weigh in. Iām now at a stage where I have takeaways but theyāre now treats rather than a 4-5 times a week event. Great work Metal for proving the doubters wrong. Did you supplement the weight loss with exercise too? When I got down to 15st, I started playing football again. Initially 6 aside, then 11 aside for work and Sunday league. When I got down to 13, I started running 10ks. I could do with picking it back up tbh. Fair play and of course the lighter you are the easier excercise becomes.
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