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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2021 21:46:55 GMT
I think this is the weakest England team in my lifetime, I can see them getting out of the group The more I look at it I think Scotland will be the tougher game. 3 pts could get you through so should be ok on that front. If England win the group they could potentially go out in the round of 16. Will end up playing 2nd in the toughest group
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Post by hardcastle on Jun 13, 2021 7:30:51 GMT
If we're already through after two matches, maybe we'll play the dirt-trackers for the Czechia game with half an eye to finishing second (for an easier run-in)?
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jun 13, 2021 8:07:20 GMT
I think this is the weakest England team in my lifetime, I can see them getting out of the group Weaker than 2012? Or 2008? 92 the weakest in my lifetime I think.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jun 13, 2021 8:10:31 GMT
I think this is the weakest England team in my lifetime, I can see them getting out of the group Weaker than 2012? Or 2008? 92 the weakest in my lifetime I think. Absolutely, we were mainly dross in the early 90s particularly
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Post by thevoid on Jun 13, 2021 8:58:28 GMT
I think this is the weakest England team in my lifetime, I can see them getting out of the group Weaker than 2012? Or 2008? 92 the weakest in my lifetime I think. Don't feed the multiple account troll. This particular 'variant' has decided he's Irish or Scottish (I'll say the kiddie bit nods to Scottish) and doesn't like the English.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2021 9:12:06 GMT
I think this is the weakest England team in my lifetime, I can see them getting out of the group Weaker than the Taylor era etc ? or unless you don't remember that side maybe. thinking 1-1 today but the more look at Croatia thinking England should nick it but depends on the line up. A few England players not in great form but same can be said of Croatia. England, Austria, Netherlands treble on my coupon but odds not great and not convinced by Austria.
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Post by thevoid on Jun 13, 2021 9:58:27 GMT
It'll be a tough group but people seem to forget that England beat Croatia last time they played them competitively at Wembley. Scotland were beaten 3-0 last time they were at Wembley. They're better now and it's a derby but you certainly wouldn't fear them. Czech Rep lost 5-0 here in the qualifiers.
Any Scotland fans (real or pretend) on here ought really to channel their energy into hoping their side finally gets out of a group- the only British and Irish nation so far to fail to do so!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2021 10:02:07 GMT
It'll be a tough group but people seem to forget that England beat Croatia last time they played them competitively at Wembley. Scotland were beaten 3-0 last time they were at Wembley. They're better now and it's a derby but you certainly wouldn't fear them. Czech Rep lost 5-0 here in the qualifiers. Any Scotland fans (real or pretend) on here ought really to channel their energy into hoping their side finally gets out of a group- the only British and Irish nation so far to fail to do so! Why would there be pretend Scotland fans? Strange comment. As for channeling energy, why not just watch and enjoy the games and hope the home nations do well. Just a thought
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Post by thevoid on Jun 13, 2021 10:28:42 GMT
It'll be a tough group but people seem to forget that England beat Croatia last time they played them competitively at Wembley. Scotland were beaten 3-0 last time they were at Wembley. They're better now and it's a derby but you certainly wouldn't fear them. Czech Rep lost 5-0 here in the qualifiers. Any Scotland fans (real or pretend) on here ought really to channel their energy into hoping their side finally gets out of a group- the only British and Irish nation so far to fail to do so! Why would there be pretend Scotland fans? Strange comment. As for channeling energy, why not just watch and enjoy the games and hope the home nations do well. Just a thought I was referring to another poster on this thread. And I fully intend to enjoy the games, so wind your neck in.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2021 10:34:24 GMT
Why would there be pretend Scotland fans? Strange comment. As for channeling energy, why not just watch and enjoy the games and hope the home nations do well. Just a thought I was referring to another poster on this thread. And I fully intend to enjoy the games, so wind your neck in. Calm down before you break another nail
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Post by Gary Hackett on Jul 3, 2021 15:15:02 GMT
Yeah, looks good. But just wonder whether he'd start Sancho, ahead of Sterling/Rashford. Mind you, he's surprised me in his dispensing of Ward-Prowse, Lingard and Dier. So he may be in the mood for shaking it up I think Jonathan Wilson was pretty much advocating that XI, on the Guardian football podcast today with Sancho as the form horse of the 3 (ahead of Sterling and Rashford) and providing a nice blend with Foden on the other side. I would worry a bit if he went in with Henderson/Phillips and Rice as the midfield 2 if he went 3-4-3 - but Mount and Rice looks a nice mix To tell you the truth mate, personally I wouldn't have even had Sterling in the squad and would have given that spot to Watkins or Antonio. I know that Raheem has plenty of tournament experience but he has been in really wretched form for his club this season and apparently Pep is now looking to offload him. I know he's supposed to turn up for big games but when a player has been in such bad form for his club and for so long, I don't think it counts for much. Yikes Paul :-)
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Post by theonlooker on Jul 3, 2021 15:51:21 GMT
To tell you the truth mate, personally I wouldn't have even had Sterling in the squad and would have given that spot to Watkins or Antonio. I know that Raheem has plenty of tournament experience but he has been in really wretched form for his club this season and apparently Pep is now looking to offload him. I know he's supposed to turn up for big games but when a player has been in such bad form for his club and for so long, I don't think it counts for much. Yikes Paul :-) I too wouldn't have taken Sterling. I thought he looked out on his feet at the end of the season with Citeh. Looked like a player who was trying too much and sinking lower each week. Delighted for him personally given all the 'outside of football' stick he gets in the press.
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Post by thehoof on Jul 3, 2021 15:57:52 GMT
Sterling could advance his game no end if he learned to use his left foot. Watch him rifle in a 25 yard left footer now! 😉
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jul 3, 2021 15:58:34 GMT
I too wouldn't have taken Sterling. I thought he looked out on his feet at the end of the season with Citeh. Looked like a player who was trying too much and sinking lower each week. Delighted for him personally given all the 'outside of football' stick he gets in the press. Yep fair play to him. Had big doubts about his place myself. Let’s hope he keeps it up tonight.
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Post by raythesailor on Jul 3, 2021 16:01:56 GMT
He could win us a penalty.
He and Grealish seem to attract free kicks !
I am starting to get Pre match nerves. ⚓️
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jul 3, 2021 16:02:19 GMT
Sterling could advance his game no end if he learned to use his left foot. Watch him rifle in a 25 yard left footer now! 😉 That like my Mrs not being able to cook beans on toast and expecting her to cook Christmas dinner with all the trimmings!
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Post by dirtclod on Jul 3, 2021 17:05:09 GMT
Agree that based upon form coming into the tournament, Raheem could have easily been left out of this team. A ...."serendipity?" that he wasn't.
While you can criticize Southgate's starting lineups, he sure made effective substitutions last game. With this lineup, I like the strategy of defense first, keep the match at 0-0, then put in the playmakers. One must admit that England's players have been stepping up in critical times, long may that continue.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jul 4, 2021 20:04:10 GMT
To tell you the truth mate, personally I wouldn't have even had Sterling in the squad and would have given that spot to Watkins or Antonio. I know that Raheem has plenty of tournament experience but he has been in really wretched form for his club this season and apparently Pep is now looking to offload him. I know he's supposed to turn up for big games but when a player has been in such bad form for his club and for so long, I don't think it counts for much. Yikes Paul :-) Ha! ... your post would have carried far more credence if you had posted it before the tournament started Mark, otherwise, it seems nothing more than a bit of a cheap shot on your part. I had an opinion on Sterling before the competition began, you had plenty of opportunity to challenge it at the time but hey, you chose not to. Funny that. And strange that you would keep it bookmarked for over a month ... just in case. On the same day that I made that post, I also suggested that we should consider going 3-4-3, you'll have noticed that I didn't resurrect that month old post after we had beaten Germany. But hey, at the end of the day, (and I hold my hands up) on Sterling, I was wrong, whilst of course you were, you were, erm, you were ...
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jul 4, 2021 20:08:07 GMT
If we are 0-0 in any game after 65 minutes, I'd back England to win.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Jul 4, 2021 20:37:04 GMT
Ha! ... your post would have carried far more credence if you had posted it before the tournament started Mark, otherwise, it seems nothing more than a bit of a cheap shot on your part. I had an opinion on Sterling before the competition began, you had plenty of opportunity to challenge it at the time but hey, you chose not to. Funny that. And strange that you would keep it bookmarked for over a month ... just in case. On the same day that I made that post, I also suggested that we should consider going 3-4-3, you'll have noticed that I didn't resurrect that month old post after we had beaten Germany. But hey, at the end of the day, (and I hold my hands up) on Sterling, I was wrong, whilst of course you were, you were, erm, you were ... To be honest Paul I probably would have started Sancho and Foden over him. It wasn't a criticism of you hence why I put the smiley face. I didn't bookmark the post I just read through it and thought it was funny. No offence intended.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2021 21:02:50 GMT
Ha! ... your post would have carried far more credence if you had posted it before the tournament started Mark, otherwise, it seems nothing more than a bit of a cheap shot on your part. I had an opinion on Sterling before the competition began, you had plenty of opportunity to challenge it at the time but hey, you chose not to. Funny that. And strange that you would keep it bookmarked for over a month ... just in case. On the same day that I made that post, I also suggested that we should consider going 3-4-3, you'll have noticed that I didn't resurrect that month old post after we had beaten Germany. But hey, at the end of the day, (and I hold my hands up) on Sterling, I was wrong, whilst of course you were, you were, erm, you were ... I wouldn't worry about it Paul. I said the same about Sterling before the tournament. In fact, I think plenty did. I'm more than happy to hold my hands up. It was just an opinion at the end of the day. Also, regardless of what happens against Denmark, this group of players, and especially the Manager, have made me immensely proud. It might not have the names of previous teams. Gerrard, Lampard, Rooney etc - but it is one hell of a team. I've given up second guessing Southgate. I just trust him to get it right. This squad of players and manager are something else.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 4, 2021 21:27:13 GMT
Was thinking about the World Cup and if it goes back down to a 23 man squad and who misses out and is there anyone that should/could come in.
I’d love to see Greenwood do enough to go. I think by the time of that World Cup he’ll be really up there with some of the best.
Tomori is another who I hope can push on and challenge Stones and Maguire.
Joe Gomez is a better CB than Mings and Coady too.
Want to see Saka stay in because I think he’s class.
Trippier or James dropped Chilwell (Saka as back up LB) Coady
Seem the obvious 3 to drop out to me anyway.
Greenwood in over DCL.
But what dilemmas to potentially have. And 15 months to see who else steps up.
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Post by JoeinOz on Jul 5, 2021 10:32:52 GMT
Rice seems to be embedded in the England set up. I don't really rate him that highly. Is it just me? It obviously was just me!! 😁😁😉
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Post by theonlooker on Jul 5, 2021 11:28:32 GMT
Rice seems to be embedded in the England set up. I don't really rate him that highly. Is it just me? It obviously was just me!! 😁😁😉 I don't think it is Joe. There are a few individuals in that squad that a lot of people wouldn't pick but the beauty of this squad is that for once we have a squad that is greater than the sum of it's parts. Rice on his own I too don't particularly rate but Rice in this team looks a good player. We're just a good side when all put together, with a lot of really likeable lads who obviously enjoy playing together. It's great to see.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2021 12:41:24 GMT
Rice seems to be embedded in the England set up. I don't really rate him that highly. Is it just me? It obviously was just me!! 😁😁😉 Last few months of the season he was excellent for West Ham . Changed my mind a lot re him then. West Ham looked a different team when Rice and Antonio clicked. Sterling was looking a bit of a wet lettuce for me also. Lots of people are excellent pundits with hindsight, Pickford was looking something of a liability at times the last 18 months but has advanced massively Still reminds me of the kid who was kept back at school but backing up his arrogance a lot now, something Joe Hart didn't do. Not seen much of Sancho to impress me yet so he's likely to pull a blinder v Denmark now I've said that. Bobby Robson was ctiticised for sticking with certain players in 1990 and almost worked.
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Post by PotterLog on Jul 5, 2021 15:19:49 GMT
It obviously was just me!! 😁😁😉 I don't think it is Joe. There are a few individuals in that squad that a lot of people wouldn't pick but the beauty of this squad is that for once we have a squad that is greater than the sum of it's parts. Don’t really agree with that, to me we’re a squad of talented (young) players that is just about starting to add up to its sum rather than the other way round. Which players stick out as left-field picks that many people wouldn’t have gone for? Even if we accept Rice it’s hard to see who would’ve been the “popular” choice to replace him…
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Post by theonlooker on Jul 5, 2021 16:26:29 GMT
I don't think it is Joe. There are a few individuals in that squad that a lot of people wouldn't pick but the beauty of this squad is that for once we have a squad that is greater than the sum of it's parts. Don’t really agree with that, to me we’re a squad of talented (young) players that is just about starting to add up to its sum rather than the other way round. Which players stick out as left-field picks that many people wouldn’t have gone for? Even if we accept Rice it’s hard to see who would’ve been the “popular” choice to replace him… I didn't think we were talking about left field picks were we? I'm coming at it from the angle of, who is really top class individually in that squad in relation to getting to semi finals, hopefully finals and then one step further of top level international competitions? Hand on heart, you wouldn't class the likes of Pickford, Shaw, Rice, Phillips and possibly even Maguire in that bracket out of the starting line up and dig into the squad and you can start picking more out. If you were being really harsh you'd chuck in Walker and Saka too. The point is, in the overall structure those players I've listed look a whole load better than what we think of them as individuals. Pickford has hardly had much to do and looks incredibly efficient. Rice and Phillips look an excellent partnership. Shaw has seen his game transformed behind Sterling etc. To answer your point, you'd pick Henderson or Bellingham to do the job that Rice does and you wouldn't be gaining anything individually or losing anything collectively. It's a well oiled machine and that's the point here.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 7, 2021 11:03:00 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2021 11:04:57 GMT
TikTok makes me feel like an OAP baffled by youth culture. I'm 31.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 7, 2021 11:09:09 GMT
TikTok makes me feel like an OAP baffled by youth culture. I'm 31. I'm 34 and I don't TikTok but I love that video.
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