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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2021 14:43:59 GMT
Come on mate, you can admit it to us.... You were gutted weren't you really not then but a bit now...more every time i see him. in fact quite a lot more as for Harry Kane....meh. Didn't know Harry Kane has Irish heritage? Edit: just checked and his old man is indeed from Galway.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2021 14:51:24 GMT
not then but a bit now...more every time i see him. in fact quite a lot more as for Harry Kane....meh. Didn't know Harry Kane has Irish heritage? Edit: just checked and his old man is indeed from Galway. He had a verbal agreement with Martin O'Neill to be in the next ROI squad then he scored twice for Spurs and got called up for the England U21s. Not like it still hurts or anything
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jun 2, 2021 16:25:36 GMT
Most of the journos seem to be anticipating a back 3 now, certainly in Maguire's absence - as he wouldn't trust Mings or Coady in a 4. So unless he's willing to play Mount alongside Rice in the midfield two, only 2 of the non-Kane attacking players would be able to play. Not ideal. And, even if Mount plays deeper in Henderson's initial absence, only 3 of: Mount, Sterling, Rashford, Grealish, Sancho and Foden would be in any XI. I can see loads of fans being pretty pissed off with that. Really hard to predict which 2 he'd go for, especially if he went with Rice and Phillips/Henderson in midfield. At the moment, suppose you'd guess at Foden and Sterling. Although can't see him going in without Mount Pickford Walker -Coady/Mings -Stones RWB -Rice -Henderson/Phillips/Mount -LWB XXX-Kane -XXXThe thing is, with Maguire out (or likely to be), I don't think it's the end of the world if we do go to a back three and actually I can see the logic in naming four right backs if Southgate can think a little out of the box, the team below might seem to be bonkers at first but I actually don't believe there is a nation in the tournament that could field a better starting XI. There is pace all over the pitch and every single player is fit and in form, the only weak link is the keeper. A lot of people seem to be forgetting that Shaw has played several times (and played well) on the left of a three for ManU, he completely nullified Messi in the first leg of the Champions League Quarter Final a couple of years back. Pickford Walker Stones Shaw TAA Rice Mount Chillwell Sancho Kane Foden Imagine being a left back knowing that you're going on to the pitch and will have to deal with Sancho AND Trent for 90 minutes or being a right back and know that you're going to have to defend against Foden and Chillwell coming at you. The opposition midfield is going to have to to step in, which means we won't get outnumbered in the centre of the park with our central two.
Our biggest weapon is our offensive capabilities and I really think we should set up so teams are forced to worry about dealing with those offensive capabilities and teams should know that we're going to come at them from the off.
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Post by werrington on Jun 2, 2021 16:33:22 GMT
Most of the journos seem to be anticipating a back 3 now, certainly in Maguire's absence - as he wouldn't trust Mings or Coady in a 4. So unless he's willing to play Mount alongside Rice in the midfield two, only 2 of the non-Kane attacking players would be able to play. Not ideal. And, even if Mount plays deeper in Henderson's initial absence, only 3 of: Mount, Sterling, Rashford, Grealish, Sancho and Foden would be in any XI. I can see loads of fans being pretty pissed off with that. Really hard to predict which 2 he'd go for, especially if he went with Rice and Phillips/Henderson in midfield. At the moment, suppose you'd guess at Foden and Sterling. Although can't see him going in without Mount Pickford Walker -Coady/Mings -Stones RWB -Rice -Henderson/Phillips/Mount -LWB XXX-Kane -XXXThe thing is, with Maguire out (or likely to be), I don't think it's the end of the world if we do go to a back three and actually I can see the logic in naming four right backs if Southgate can think a little out of the box, the team below might seem to be bonkers at first but I actually don't believe there is a nation in the tournament that could field a better starting XI. There is pace all over the pitch and every single player is fit and in form, the only weak link is the keeper. A lot of people seem to be forgetting that Shaw has played several times (and played well) on the left of a three for ManU, he completely nullified Messi in the first leg of the Champions League Quarter Final a couple of years back. Pickford Walker Stones Shaw TAA Rice Mount Chillwell Sancho Kane Foden Imagine being a left back knowing that you're going on to the pitch and will have to deal with Sancho AND Trent for 90 minutes or being a right back and know that you're going to have to defend against Foden and Chillwell coming at you. The opposition midfield is going to have to to step in, which means we won't get outnumbered in the centre of the park with our central two.
Our biggest weapon is our offensive capabilities and I really think we should set up so teams are forced to worry about dealing with those offensive capabilities and teams should know that we're going to come at them from the off. TAA will add another dimension to our play if he’s pushed further forward Paul, his passing is Beckham esque along with his vision of those around him
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Post by FullerMagic on Jun 2, 2021 16:36:28 GMT
Most of the journos seem to be anticipating a back 3 now, certainly in Maguire's absence - as he wouldn't trust Mings or Coady in a 4. So unless he's willing to play Mount alongside Rice in the midfield two, only 2 of the non-Kane attacking players would be able to play. Not ideal. And, even if Mount plays deeper in Henderson's initial absence, only 3 of: Mount, Sterling, Rashford, Grealish, Sancho and Foden would be in any XI. I can see loads of fans being pretty pissed off with that. Really hard to predict which 2 he'd go for, especially if he went with Rice and Phillips/Henderson in midfield. At the moment, suppose you'd guess at Foden and Sterling. Although can't see him going in without Mount Pickford Walker -Coady/Mings -Stones RWB -Rice -Henderson/Phillips/Mount -LWB XXX-Kane -XXXThe thing is, with Maguire out (or likely to be), I don't think it's the end of the world if we do go to a back three and actually I can see the logic in naming four right backs if Southgate can think a little out of the box, the team below might seem to be bonkers at first but I actually don't believe there is a nation in the tournament that could field a better starting XI. There is pace all over the pitch and every single player is fit and in form, the only weak link is the keeper. A lot of people seem to be forgetting that Shaw has played several times (and played well) on the left of a three for ManU, he completely nullified Messi in the first leg of the Champions League Quarter Final a couple of years back. Pickford Walker Stones Shaw TAA Rice Mount Chillwell Sancho Kane Foden Imagine being a left back knowing that you're going on to the pitch and will have to deal with Sancho AND Trent for 90 minutes or being a right back and know that you're going to have to defend against Foden and Chillwell coming at you. The opposition midfield is going to have to to step in, which means we won't get outnumbered in the centre of the park with our central two.
Our biggest weapon is our offensive capabilities and I really think we should set up so teams are forced to worry about dealing with those offensive capabilities and teams should know that we're going to come at them from the off. Yeah, looks good. But just wonder whether he'd start Sancho, ahead of Sterling/Rashford. Mind you, he's surprised me in his dispensing of Ward-Prowse, Lingard and Dier. So he may be in the mood for shaking it up I think Jonathan Wilson was pretty much advocating that XI, on the Guardian football podcast today with Sancho as the form horse of the 3 (ahead of Sterling and Rashford) and providing a nice blend with Foden on the other side. I would worry a bit if he went in with Henderson/Phillips and Rice as the midfield 2 if he went 3-4-3 - but Mount and Rice looks a nice mix
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jun 2, 2021 16:39:58 GMT
The thing is, with Maguire out (or likely to be), I don't think it's the end of the world if we do go to a back three and actually I can see the logic in naming four right backs if Southgate can think a little out of the box, the team below might seem to be bonkers at first but I actually don't believe there is a nation in the tournament that could field a better starting XI. There is pace all over the pitch and every single player is fit and in form, the only weak link is the keeper. A lot of people seem to be forgetting that Shaw has played several times (and played well) on the left of a three for ManU, he completely nullified Messi in the first leg of the Champions League Quarter Final a couple of years back. Pickford Walker Stones Shaw TAA Rice Mount Chillwell Sancho Kane Foden Imagine being a left back knowing that you're going on to the pitch and will have to deal with Sancho AND Trent for 90 minutes or being a right back and know that you're going to have to defend against Foden and Chillwell coming at you. The opposition midfield is going to have to to step in, which means we won't get outnumbered in the centre of the park with our central two.
Our biggest weapon is our offensive capabilities and I really think we should set up so teams are forced to worry about dealing with those offensive capabilities and teams should know that we're going to come at them from the off. TAA will add another dimension to our play if he’s pushed further forward Paul, his passing is Beckham esque along with his vision of those around him Oh for sure mate. In terms of key passes, Trent ranks 15th in Europe's top-five leagues last season - the only defender he is behind is Filip Kostic at Frankfurt, who used to be a winger. And for progressive passes, top of Europe's top-five leagues is Lionel Messi, then Luis Alberto, who is an attacking midfielder, and then Trent.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jun 2, 2021 16:47:30 GMT
The thing is, with Maguire out (or likely to be), I don't think it's the end of the world if we do go to a back three and actually I can see the logic in naming four right backs if Southgate can think a little out of the box, the team below might seem to be bonkers at first but I actually don't believe there is a nation in the tournament that could field a better starting XI. There is pace all over the pitch and every single player is fit and in form, the only weak link is the keeper. A lot of people seem to be forgetting that Shaw has played several times (and played well) on the left of a three for ManU, he completely nullified Messi in the first leg of the Champions League Quarter Final a couple of years back. Pickford Walker Stones Shaw TAA Rice Mount Chillwell Sancho Kane Foden Imagine being a left back knowing that you're going on to the pitch and will have to deal with Sancho AND Trent for 90 minutes or being a right back and know that you're going to have to defend against Foden and Chillwell coming at you. The opposition midfield is going to have to to step in, which means we won't get outnumbered in the centre of the park with our central two.
Our biggest weapon is our offensive capabilities and I really think we should set up so teams are forced to worry about dealing with those offensive capabilities and teams should know that we're going to come at them from the off. Yeah, looks good. But just wonder whether he'd start Sancho, ahead of Sterling/Rashford. Mind you, he's surprised me in his dispensing of Ward-Prowse, Lingard and Dier. So he may be in the mood for shaking it up I think Jonathan Wilson was pretty much advocating that XI, on the Guardian football podcast today with Sancho as the form horse of the 3 (ahead of Sterling and Rashford) and providing a nice blend with Foden on the other side. I would worry a bit if he went in with Henderson/Phillips and Rice as the midfield 2 if he went 3-4-3 - but Mount and Rice looks a nice mix To tell you the truth mate, personally I wouldn't have even had Sterling in the squad and would have given that spot to Watkins or Antonio. I know that Raheem has plenty of tournament experience but he has been in really wretched form for his club this season and apparently Pep is now looking to offload him. I know he's supposed to turn up for big games but when a player has been in such bad form for his club and for so long, I don't think it counts for much. Really if he starts ahead of either Sancho or Foden then Southgate needs to have a word with himself. They're both way ahead of Rashford for me too, who has been carrying a knock for months, in fact I'd have Marcus behind Grealish in the pecking order, if Jack looks fresh in training.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jun 2, 2021 16:47:56 GMT
Most of the journos seem to be anticipating a back 3 now, certainly in Maguire's absence - as he wouldn't trust Mings or Coady in a 4. So unless he's willing to play Mount alongside Rice in the midfield two, only 2 of the non-Kane attacking players would be able to play. Not ideal. And, even if Mount plays deeper in Henderson's initial absence, only 3 of: Mount, Sterling, Rashford, Grealish, Sancho and Foden would be in any XI. I can see loads of fans being pretty pissed off with that. Really hard to predict which 2 he'd go for, especially if he went with Rice and Phillips/Henderson in midfield. At the moment, suppose you'd guess at Foden and Sterling. Although can't see him going in without Mount Pickford Walker -Coady/Mings -Stones RWB -Rice -Henderson/Phillips/Mount -LWB XXX-Kane -XXXThe thing is, with Maguire out (or likely to be), I don't think it's the end of the world if we do go to a back three and actually I can see the logic in naming four right backs if Southgate can think a little out of the box, the team below might seem to be bonkers at first but I actually don't believe there is a nation in the tournament that could field a better starting XI. There is pace all over the pitch and every single player is fit and in form, the only weak link is the keeper. A lot of people seem to be forgetting that Shaw has played several times (and played well) on the left of a three for ManU, he completely nullified Messi in the first leg of the Champions League Quarter Final a couple of years back. Pickford Walker Stones Shaw TAA Rice Mount Chillwell Sancho Kane Foden Imagine being a left back knowing that you're going on to the pitch and will have to deal with Sancho AND Trent for 90 minutes or being a right back and know that you're going to have to defend against Foden and Chillwell coming at you. The opposition midfield is going to have to to step in, which means we won't get outnumbered in the centre of the park with our central two.
Our biggest weapon is our offensive capabilities and I really think we should set up so teams are forced to worry about dealing with those offensive capabilities and teams should know that we're going to come at them from the off. Just out of interest, and I don’t know, but how many teams have won titles by playing mostly 3 at the back? I hate the formation and think it restricts the midfield creativity too much. However if anyone can convince me it’s a good idea based on stats it would make me feel better about it. Thanks in advance😀
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jun 2, 2021 17:06:34 GMT
The thing is, with Maguire out (or likely to be), I don't think it's the end of the world if we do go to a back three and actually I can see the logic in naming four right backs if Southgate can think a little out of the box, the team below might seem to be bonkers at first but I actually don't believe there is a nation in the tournament that could field a better starting XI. There is pace all over the pitch and every single player is fit and in form, the only weak link is the keeper. A lot of people seem to be forgetting that Shaw has played several times (and played well) on the left of a three for ManU, he completely nullified Messi in the first leg of the Champions League Quarter Final a couple of years back. Pickford Walker Stones Shaw TAA Rice Mount Chillwell Sancho Kane Foden Imagine being a left back knowing that you're going on to the pitch and will have to deal with Sancho AND Trent for 90 minutes or being a right back and know that you're going to have to defend against Foden and Chillwell coming at you. The opposition midfield is going to have to to step in, which means we won't get outnumbered in the centre of the park with our central two.
Our biggest weapon is our offensive capabilities and I really think we should set up so teams are forced to worry about dealing with those offensive capabilities and teams should know that we're going to come at them from the off. Just out of interest, and I don’t know, but how many teams have won titles by playing mostly 3 at the back? I hate the formation and think it restricts the midfield creativity too much. However if anyone can convince me it’s a good idea based on stats it would make me feel better about it. Thanks in advance😀 Off the top of my head ... Antonio Conte's teams (Juventus/Chelsea/Inter) and Thomas Tuchel has just last weekend won the Champions League playing three at the back.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jun 2, 2021 17:08:24 GMT
Just out of interest, and I don’t know, but how many teams have won titles by playing mostly 3 at the back? I hate the formation and think it restricts the midfield creativity too much. However if anyone can convince me it’s a good idea based on stats it would make me feel better about it. Thanks in advance😀 Off the top of my head ... Antonio Conte's teams (Juventus/Chelsea/Inter) and Thomas Tuchel has just last weekend won the Champions League playing three at the back. Fair enough I just didn’t honestly know. If you’re going to play that formation you certainly can’t afford to be playing folk even slightly out of their usual position. Which is obviously more difficult for international sides.
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Post by thfc67 on Jun 2, 2021 17:24:27 GMT
Didn't know Harry Kane has Irish heritage? Edit: just checked and his old man is indeed from Galway. He had a verbal agreement with Martin O'Neill to be in the next ROI squad then he scored twice for Spurs and got called up for the England U21s. Not like it still hurts or anything Just think. In a parallel universe, Kane, Grealish and Declan Rice are playing for the ROI.
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Post by mattythestokie on Jun 2, 2021 17:36:48 GMT
Rice seems to be embedded in the England set up. I don't really rate him that highly. Is it just me? I really rate him I do. Think he will be one of the most important players. Only 22 years old as well.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2021 17:42:33 GMT
He had a verbal agreement with Martin O'Neill to be in the next ROI squad then he scored twice for Spurs and got called up for the England U21s. Not like it still hurts or anything Just think. In a parallel universe, Kane, Grealish and Declan Rice are playing for the ROI. I often do think about it Jack Charlton tried hard to coax Gascoigne but was never on the cards. Callum Wilson and Patrick Bamford also. Not keen on the eligibilty rules, they are being looked at but you have to bear in mind that say Raheem Sterling has no English heritage whatsoever, including parents or Grandparents. For me parents is where it should be drawn a line at. Liam Delap the latest on Ireland's radar but can't see it as really are a horrendous bunch at the minute.
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Post by northernstokie on Jun 2, 2021 17:50:05 GMT
I would really like to see Bellingham play a decent part. I've only seen him play in a few games but against City he looked ridiculous good for his age. Him and Foden in the team is something I never imagined a year ago but I feel a good tournament will set them both up for the future on England football
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Post by FullerMagic on Jun 3, 2021 17:09:05 GMT
Interesting to see who they call up.
Think I'd go with White or Godfrey
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jun 3, 2021 17:13:13 GMT
Interesting to see who they call up. Think I'd go with White or Godfrey I’d go with award Prowse who I feel was unlucky to miss out.
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Post by FullerMagic on Jun 3, 2021 17:15:19 GMT
Interesting to see who they call up. Think I'd go with White or Godfrey I’d go with award Prowse who I feel was unlucky to miss out. Yeah - could make a case for it. But I think we need an extra proper defender. I'm sceptical that Maguire's going to figure much and the prospect of Mings and Coady terrifies me I definitely wouldn't go with Lingard or Watkins
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jun 3, 2021 17:20:58 GMT
I’d go with award Prowse who I feel was unlucky to miss out. Yeah - could make a case for it. But I think we need an extra proper defender. I'm sceptical that Maguire's going to figure much and the prospect of Mings and Coady terrifies me I definitely wouldn't go with Lingard or Watkins I just think he’d be useful in games that go into extra time with his superb set piece deliveries, that’s all really. But yeh we don’t know much about Maguires fitness levels. If Southgate goes for the dreaded 3 at the back we should be ok for defenders I reckon but with a back four it may be best to bring in a Centre half.
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Post by GeneralFaye on Jun 3, 2021 17:46:19 GMT
I have a sneaky feeling it'll be White. He's played in midfield a few times this season and I think it's clear that Maguire will be struggling to be fit so we need more cover in that area too.
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Post by tommycarlsberg on Jun 3, 2021 18:41:10 GMT
He should play like Chelsea. They’ve been the most successful team over the past 6 months and their guys are on a massive high.
Fit a team around James and Chilwell as the wing backs, Mount in behind the striker on the left. They want Rice anyway so assume he replaces Kante.
Kane can fit into any system.
Foden with Mount, as good as Havertz. Bellingham or Phillips.
Walker, Mings, Stones, Shaw or Coady.
I slagged them a lot off earlier in this thread but I thought Coady and Mings were impressive last night. Fair play to them, they looked well up for the fight.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jun 3, 2021 18:46:38 GMT
He should play like Chelsea. They’ve been the most successful team over the past 6 months and their guys are on a massive high. Fit a team around James and Chilwell as the wing backs, Mount in behind the striker on the left. They want Rice anyway so assume he replaces Kante. Kane can fit into any system. Foden with Mount, as good as Havertz. Bellingham or Phillips. Walker, Mings, Stones, Shaw or Coady. I slagged them a lot off earlier in this thread but I thought Coady and Mings were impressive last night. Fair play to them, they looked well up for the fight. Well Mings mopped up Coadys errors. Coady is fine in a 3, Mings is probably better in a three but can do a job in a two if needed
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Post by TinkerT on Jun 3, 2021 18:51:10 GMT
He should play like Chelsea. They’ve been the most successful team over the past 6 months and their guys are on a massive high. Fit a team around James and Chilwell as the wing backs, Mount in behind the striker on the left. They want Rice anyway so assume he replaces Kante. Kane can fit into any system. Foden with Mount, as good as Havertz. Bellingham or Phillips. Walker, Mings, Stones, Shaw or Coady. I slagged them a lot off earlier in this thread but I thought Coady and Mings were impressive last night. Fair play to them, they looked well up for the fight. Well Mings mopped up Coadys errors. Coady is fine in a 3, Mings is probably better in a three but can do a job in a two if needed Mings is a very under rated centre half.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2021 18:52:17 GMT
He should play like Chelsea. They’ve been the most successful team over the past 6 months and their guys are on a massive high. Fit a team around James and Chilwell as the wing backs, Mount in behind the striker on the left. They want Rice anyway so assume he replaces Kante. Kane can fit into any system. Foden with Mount, as good as Havertz. Bellingham or Phillips. Walker, Mings, Stones, Shaw or Coady. I slagged them a lot off earlier in this thread but I thought Coady and Mings were impressive last night. Fair play to them, they looked well up for the fight. Well Mings mopped up Coadys errors. Coady is fine in a 3, Mings is probably better in a three but can do a job in a two if needed Mings is far more merciless. Would play him in a f lash
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Post by salfordstokie on Jun 3, 2021 18:53:19 GMT
Think England might lose the Croatia game but qualify for the knock-out rounds. Semi-finals at best for me, especially as I can't see Maguire (who is very underrated) being fit.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2021 19:05:13 GMT
Makes sense now why those not in the squad were included in the friendlies. Shame for TAA as seems a decent lad. I think going to be a tough tournament for England
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jun 3, 2021 19:11:21 GMT
Makes sense now why those not in the squad were included in the friendlies. Shame for TAA as seems a decent lad. I think going to be a tough tournament for England Probably got a better chance than ROI. We need to get behind them now. Word of warning, I’ve done the sweep at work, and the MD who has an enviable record in these things has pulled England out. So all good😀
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2021 19:22:39 GMT
Makes sense now why those not in the squad were included in the friendlies. Shame for TAA as seems a decent lad. I think going to be a tough tournament for England Probably got a better chance than ROI. We need to get behind them now. Word of warning, I’ve done the sweep at work, and the MD who has an enviable record in these things has pulled England out. So all good😀 There are nations that haven't discovered fire that have more chance than we have. I guess you have to grow into tournaments and hit form when it matters in the knockout stages but think the group could be very tough. Fingers xed though
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Post by hardcastle on Jun 3, 2021 20:17:32 GMT
Ha ha, very good, Mufti, very good.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2021 21:43:29 GMT
Think England might lose the Croatia game but qualify for the knock-out rounds. Semi-finals at best for me, especially as I can't see Maguire (who is very underrated) being fit. If you lose a group game then is backs against the wall. If you look at say 86 , England got better as the tournament went on but were on the brink, 82 Italy failed to win a group game. Is about getting out of the group then hitting form. in 1990 England won 1 game in 90 mins, they beat Egypt with asoft goal but remembered as a tournament they could have won and to be fair really could have. iAt the Euros in England they stuttered through the first 2 group games but remembered after that for 2 epic games.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2021 13:55:45 GMT
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