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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jun 7, 2021 7:24:13 GMT
It's the right call isn't it. I do like JWP and think he's very unlucky but White is versatile and has a composure that most of the other CB options in the squad lack. Yeah, definitely - although you could argue the major error was going with Mings in the first place and picking an injured Maguire. Realistically, when would you feel confident throwing Maguire straight in now? The decision to take Maguire and Henderson looks increasingly daft I think, even before Henderson's appalling act of me-first egotism with the penalty.
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Post by FullerMagic on Jun 7, 2021 7:47:58 GMT
Can't really disagree with this. Just depends if Southgate thinks he can deal with the occasion. Coady and Mings aren't terrible players, but they're a level below where they need to be and look very odd choices to have been given 12-18 months in the set-up with other promising centre-halves around
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Post by GeneralFaye on Jun 7, 2021 8:20:36 GMT
Knew he'd pick White and I can see why. Shit decision to select Maguire I'm afraid.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2021 8:44:25 GMT
Can't really disagree with this. Just depends if Southgate thinks he can deal with the occasion. Coady and Mings aren't terrible players, but they're a level below where they need to be and look very odd choices to have been given 12-18 months in the set-up with other promising centre-halves around Grealish > Sterling
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2021 15:45:46 GMT
Grealish has made a strong case but I think it's a case of two of three from him, Mount and Foden. Maybe against Scotland, where it's more likely to be a case of trying to unpick a lock against a massed defence, you could play all three. Against Croatia we'll likely be playing on the break a fair bit so I think we'd need Sancho in there somewhere. Will be horses for courses this tournament. Probably go for Sterling in that case, as much as it pains me to say it. His pace will stretch teams and be more beneficial on the break. Possibly make a case for Grealish and Foden over Mount actually, although I'm a big Foden fan too.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jun 7, 2021 16:02:17 GMT
Grealish has made a strong case but I think it's a case of two of three from him, Mount and Foden. Maybe against Scotland, where it's more likely to be a case of trying to unpick a lock against a massed defence, you could play all three. Against Croatia we'll likely be playing on the break a fair bit so I think we'd need Sancho in there somewhere. Will be horses for courses this tournament. Probably go for Sterling in that case, as much as it pains me to say it. His pace will stretch teams and be more beneficial on the break. Possibly make a case for Grealish and Foden over Mount actually, although I'm a big Foden fan too. Really like all three to be honest, tough call for Gareth. Hope he goes for Bellingham alongside Rice in the middle. Christ knows who we start at centre back.
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Post by FullerMagic on Jun 7, 2021 16:33:07 GMT
Would be bold to stick with a back 4 and go with Stones and White, but I think I probably would. Can't believe he's looked at Mings in the last week and thought "I'll have some more of that" - and you can't really play Coady in a 4
If he does go with a 4, I think he'll go:
Pickford Walker-Stones-White-Shaw Rice-Phillips Foden-Mount-Sterling Kane
Total 50-50 calls in both full-back positions. James, Trippier and Chilwell would all rightly feel aggrieved.
And Bellingham would be very close to getting in ahead of Phillips, and will obviously have much the better career long-term.
I do kind of buy the argument that you need one of Sterling and Rashford's pace and willingness to get in behind - meaning it's a 50-50 call between Foden and Grealish
Reluctantly I'd start with Sterling, with him having the knowledge that, for the first time in ages, his place is very much on the line.
If he goes with a back 3, I dread to think what he'll do because I don't even think he'd risk Mount in the midfield 2 - meaning he'd have to play wide, so only one other attacker (Foden, Grealish, Rashford, Sterling, or Sancho) would play, which would be farcical.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jun 7, 2021 16:43:33 GMT
Can't really disagree with this. Just depends if Southgate thinks he can deal with the occasion. Coady and Mings aren't terrible players, but they're a level below where they need to be and look very odd choices to have been given 12-18 months in the set-up with other promising centre-halves around 3 years of preparation and Southgate is still in limbo by the looks of it. Just don’t like it when an entire formation changes because of one injury, just go like for like. Similar happened at Stoke when Campbell got injured and look what happened there.
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Jun 7, 2021 18:16:49 GMT
You've to play Grealish.
Pickford
Walker. Stones. White Chilwell
Bellingham...Rice...Grealish
Mount. Kane. Sterling
Or if a shitey defensive 3-4-3, which let's face it he will play..
Pickford
Walker stones. White
James. Phillips. Rice. Chilwell
Sterling. Kane. Grealish
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Post by partickpotter on Jun 8, 2021 6:09:17 GMT
From the BBC... How Gareth Southgate restored faith in England’s national teamHe hasn’t restored my faith... yet. Same old England from what I can see. Some talented players... but not got what it takes when it comes to taking on the best teams (or even half decent ones) viz. Croatia. So, I’ll reserve judgement until the latter stages of this tournament and see how we do in a knock out game against decent opposition. (Mind you... anything was going to be an improvement over that fiasco against Iceland).
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jun 8, 2021 6:18:02 GMT
Pickford
James White stones Chilwell
Rice Bellingham
Mount Grealish Foden
Kane
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jun 8, 2021 6:32:19 GMT
From the BBC... How Gareth Southgate restored faith in England’s national teamHe hasn’t restored my faith... yet. Same old England from what I can see. Some talented players... but not got what it takes when it comes to taking on the best teams (or even half decent ones) viz. Croatia. So, I’ll reserve judgement until the latter stages of this tournament and see how we do in a knock out game against decent opposition. (Mind you... anything was going to be an improvement over that fiasco against Iceland). Well it could be worse, we’ve got to play Scotland yet👀
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Post by GeneralFaye on Jun 8, 2021 6:53:33 GMT
So the German Chelsea players can play in pre tournament friendlies but the English Chelsea players can't?... we're going into the Croatia game as a haphazard shambles tbh.
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Post by JoeinOz on Jun 8, 2021 7:17:02 GMT
So the German Chelsea players can play in pre tournament friendlies but the English Chelsea players can't?... we're going into the Croatia game as a haphazard shambles tbh. That gets said about England before every tournament
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Post by FullerMagic on Jun 8, 2021 7:21:09 GMT
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Post by partickpotter on Jun 8, 2021 7:58:42 GMT
From the BBC... How Gareth Southgate restored faith in England’s national teamHe hasn’t restored my faith... yet. Same old England from what I can see. Some talented players... but not got what it takes when it comes to taking on the best teams (or even half decent ones) viz. Croatia. So, I’ll reserve judgement until the latter stages of this tournament and see how we do in a knock out game against decent opposition. (Mind you... anything was going to be an improvement over that fiasco against Iceland). Well it could be worse, we’ve got to play Scotland yet👀 One day I’ll tell you the story about Euro 96 and the moment I discovered I was the solitary Englishman in a packed pub in Patrick (naturally) during the England Scotland game.
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Post by GeneralFaye on Jun 8, 2021 8:10:34 GMT
The problem is that the 2 players that suit Kane's style of play, Rashford and Sterling, are horribly out of form. They are the 2 players who make runs in behind for Kane to pick out when he drops deep. The in form players like Grealish and Foden don't offer this so if they play we have to change our style entirely. It's a bloody big pickle for Gareth. Personally, I'd be tempted to mix and match by picking Sterling and Foden in the hope Sterling can get into some sort of form.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jun 8, 2021 8:37:18 GMT
Should have picked both Godfrey AND White instead of Coady and Mings, both are head and shoulders above the other two.......
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Post by GeneralFaye on Jun 8, 2021 8:42:33 GMT
Konsa is better than Mings. The only thing going in Mings' favour is that he's left footed and an organiser. Watching a Villa game with no fans, all you hear is Mings bellowing out instructions for 90 minutes.
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Post by FullerMagic on Jun 8, 2021 9:28:28 GMT
Foden going full Gazza Euro '96
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jun 8, 2021 14:48:42 GMT
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Post by GrahamHyde on Jun 8, 2021 15:19:12 GMT
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Post by lordb on Jun 8, 2021 19:49:49 GMT
Benzema injured
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Post by FullerMagic on Jun 8, 2021 19:54:49 GMT
Doesn't look great
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Post by JoeinOz on Jun 10, 2021 6:47:37 GMT
Have you all got your wallcharts? 😁😁😁
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Post by BuzzB on Jun 10, 2021 10:37:11 GMT
So Maguire is training today. If Southgate selects him for Sunday he wants his arse kicking.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2021 14:01:51 GMT
You really notice how good players are , when they are absent
And harry Maguire's stock has never been higher than now
We look terrible without him , really poor at the back
This will become a big issue when we have to play teams like Portugal with quality defenders , quality midfielders and quality strikers
An England team with an ace attack , mediocre midfield and poor defence is going to be asked to beat a team with quality all over the park
I can't see it happening
Which makes Southgates decision to attack an element of his own fans look stupid
He is going to need a hundred percent backing from the fans and the players
I can't see it happening , but by the same token , if he can pull it off , then that's some achievement
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Post by JoeinOz on Jun 11, 2021 8:46:13 GMT
Are there many flags out?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2021 9:02:05 GMT
Are there many flags out?
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Post by longdistancekiddie on Jun 12, 2021 21:22:54 GMT
I think this is the weakest England team in my lifetime, I can see them getting out of the group
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