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Post by butlerstbob on Sept 16, 2021 12:25:36 GMT
I agree with you that she should be brought back. We canโt pass the responsibility for her onto another country. The argument though that she might help us in the fight against terrorism by talking to people who might be susceptible to the sort of stuff that made her head of to Syria is a reasonable one. Itโs certainly not unusual. Reformed drug addicts do this sort of thing all the time. Anyway, before that can be considered, and if she is allowed back to the UK, itโs necessary for her to face the consequences of her actions which means having her day in court. As you say though, the outcome of that is not certain. But that is what we have and itโs what we should do. It is our responsibility to bring her back, the question is how do we do it? Like I said, put her on the first plane back to Manchester and she will be walking the streets, laughing at dead soldiers and joking about heads in bins before Christmas. I've said in this thread before, the conditions of her return would have to be almost an entire forfeit of due process. An exception that involved essentially "I give up all of my rights which will be returned, upon receipt of information". I would want everything, names, locations, where she stayed, what time she took a piss... i would want absolutely everything before she was left to roam. In a body bag would be my suggestion! She now wants to help the UK fight terrorism....could she be trusted? could she fuck...rot in hell! www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-58573501
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Post by xchpotter on Sept 16, 2021 12:54:24 GMT
I thought she was speaking quite well... right up until the point she said she could help fight extremism as Boris didn't have a clue ๐๐. Whether he does or not, you don't then carry on slagging off the people you are trying to convince.
I think that Freudian slip said a lot about her true intentions towards this country. May she rot in hell.
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Sept 16, 2021 15:48:16 GMT
I thought she was speaking quite well... right up until the point she said she could help fight extremism as Boris didn't have a clue ๐๐. Whether he does or not, you don't then carry on slagging off the people you are trying to convince. I think that Freudian slip said a lot about her true intentions towards this country. May she rot in hell. Whatever you (or I) think about her as a person shouldn't colour anyone's judgement as to what is the right thing to do. Begum is detained in the Al Roj camp maintained largely by Chia Kurd female soldiers along with a couple of thousand other 'ISIS brides' and their offspring. It is unlikely in the turmoil of that region that they will ever get around to formally prosecuting most of them and eventually they will drift back into some sort of society - which being the case Begum will probably avoid justice and being something of a celebrity it's not beyond tge realms of possibility that she would end up marrying her way out of the shit to live well in some fancy part of the middle east. Now wouldn't that just piss you off? But even if she doesn't it's still somewhat unfair to foist her on the Kurds. She was born in Britain, she was radicalised in Britain and she should face justice in Britain. That is the right thing to do as a responsible nation - not dump our problems on those unable through no fault of their own to adequately deal with the consequences
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Sept 16, 2021 16:06:17 GMT
I thought she was speaking quite well... right up until the point she said she could help fight extremism as Boris didn't have a clue ๐๐. Whether he does or not, you don't then carry on slagging off the people you are trying to convince. I think that Freudian slip said a lot about her true intentions towards this country. May she rot in hell. Whatever you (or I) think about her as a person shouldn't colour anyone's judgement as to what is the right thing to do. Begum is detained in the Al Roj camp maintained largely by Chia Kurd female soldiers along with a couple of thousand other 'ISIS brides' and their offspring. It is unlikely in the turmoil of that region that they will ever get around to formally prosecuting most of them and eventually they will drift back into some sort of society - which being the case Begum will probably avoid justice and being something of a celebrity it's not beyond tge realms of possibility that she would end up marrying her way out of the shit to live well in some fancy part of the middle east. Now wouldn't that just piss you off? But even if she doesn't it's still somewhat unfair to foist her on the Kurds. She was born in Britain, she was radicalised in Britain and she should face justice in Britain. That is the right thing to do as a responsible nation - not dump our problems on those unable through no fault of their own to adequately deal with the consequences Agreed and put a permanent tag/tracking device on her and her like when they are released from prison so security services can keep them from murdering and innocent people/kids at pop concerts. A metal plate in their skull should do the job.
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Post by xchpotter on Sept 16, 2021 16:47:42 GMT
I thought she was speaking quite well... right up until the point she said she could help fight extremism as Boris didn't have a clue ๐๐. Whether he does or not, you don't then carry on slagging off the people you are trying to convince. I think that Freudian slip said a lot about her true intentions towards this country. May she rot in hell. Whatever you (or I) think about her as a person shouldn't colour anyone's judgement as to what is the right thing to do. Begum is detained in the Al Roj camp maintained largely by Chia Kurd female soldiers along with a couple of thousand other 'ISIS brides' and their offspring. It is unlikely in the turmoil of that region that they will ever get around to formally prosecuting most of them and eventually they will drift back into some sort of society - which being the case Begum will probably avoid justice and being something of a celebrity it's not beyond tge realms of possibility that she would end up marrying her way out of the shit to live well in some fancy part of the middle east. Now wouldn't that just piss you off? But even if she doesn't it's still somewhat unfair to foist her on the Kurds. She was born in Britain, she was radicalised in Britain and she should face justice in Britain. That is the right thing to do as a responsible nation - not dump our problems on those unable through no fault of their own to adequately deal with the consequences I donโt give a flying toss where she ends up as long as itโs not the UK. I think we have very different views on what is the right thing to do, but if you are happy for you and your loved ones to take the hit in line before mine then please have her living with you. If she does marry off somewhere into the Middle East then great, after all she wonโt have the level of hatred she has in a Muslim country as she does towards the UK and so therefore the consequences wonโt be a problem for that country to deal with as there wonโt be any.
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Sept 16, 2021 17:29:19 GMT
Whatever you (or I) think about her as a person shouldn't colour anyone's judgement as to what is the right thing to do. Begum is detained in the Al Roj camp maintained largely by Chia Kurd female soldiers along with a couple of thousand other 'ISIS brides' and their offspring. It is unlikely in the turmoil of that region that they will ever get around to formally prosecuting most of them and eventually they will drift back into some sort of society - which being the case Begum will probably avoid justice and being something of a celebrity it's not beyond tge realms of possibility that she would end up marrying her way out of the shit to live well in some fancy part of the middle east. Now wouldn't that just piss you off? But even if she doesn't it's still somewhat unfair to foist her on the Kurds. She was born in Britain, she was radicalised in Britain and she should face justice in Britain. That is the right thing to do as a responsible nation - not dump our problems on those unable through no fault of their own to adequately deal with the consequences I donโt give a flying toss where she ends up as long as itโs not the UK. I think we have very different views on what is the right thing to do, but if you are happy for you and your loved ones to take the hit in line before mine then please have her living with you. If she does marry off somewhere into the Middle East then great, after all she wonโt have the level of hatred she has in a Muslim country as she does towards the UK and so therefore the consequences wonโt be a problem for that country to deal with as there wonโt be any. Who said anything about being happy? I'm not happy we produce toxic waste but where we do we should deal with it ourselves rather than dump it on other people. Taking responsibility can often be painful and difficult path but that doesn't mean you should avoid it. So you're correct - we do have very different views on what is right.
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Post by foster on Sept 16, 2021 18:25:58 GMT
I thought she was speaking quite well... right up until the point she said she could help fight extremism as Boris didn't have a clue ๐๐. Whether he does or not, you don't then carry on slagging off the people you are trying to convince. I think that Freudian slip said a lot about her true intentions towards this country. May she rot in hell. Begum for PM
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Post by farnborostokie63 on Sept 16, 2021 18:40:12 GMT
Rhyl a bit unfair. She deserves punishment but not that. maybe Southsea then, the place you take your kids on holiday when they have been bad.
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Post by bucknall67 on Sept 16, 2021 18:53:49 GMT
Rhyl a bit unfair. She deserves punishment but not that. maybe Southsea then, the place you take your kids on holiday when they have been bad. Jaywick.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Sept 16, 2021 19:00:09 GMT
Begz on tour.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Sept 16, 2021 19:04:05 GMT
Thatโll be the name of her show on ITV be
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Sept 16, 2021 19:14:42 GMT
Thatโll be the name of her show on ITV be Far better than Love Island. Each series features Begz in various European countries. By day she indoctrinates the Jihadis of tomorrow, by night she gets on the cocktails with the girls.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Sept 16, 2021 19:20:54 GMT
Begs and Bez. Shemima goes on a tour of Britain with the Happy Mondayโs maraca man in a converted camouflaged VW camper van. Showing him how to shoot an AK 47 at unsuspecting victims in a riotous yarn through busy city centres.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2021 19:41:20 GMT
Rhyl a bit unfair. She deserves punishment but not that. maybe Southsea then, the place you take your kids on holiday when they have been bad. Praia Da Luz in Portugal in some cases
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Post by riverman on Sept 16, 2021 19:48:57 GMT
maybe Southsea then, the place you take your kids on holiday when they have been bad. Praia Da Luz in Portugalย in some cases ๐ฒ ๐
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Sept 16, 2021 19:51:52 GMT
If we're being daft then lets see her matched up in a same sex 'Strictly' partnership with Katie Hopkins.
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Post by longdistancekiddie on Sept 16, 2021 20:07:55 GMT
What did she do,?
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Post by longdistancekiddie on Sept 16, 2021 20:08:16 GMT
Smokescreen
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Post by metalhead on Sept 16, 2021 20:14:15 GMT
Tonight on BBC2, Shamima Begum : My Story, narrated by Victoria Derbyshire and featuring interviews from Jihadi Jack, Jihadi John and Dianne Abbott.
In all seriousness, we can hope that she rots in another country but she isn't going away anywhere soon unless the camp is ambushed. We have to take control.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Sept 16, 2021 20:23:18 GMT
If we're being daft then lets see her matched up in a same sex 'Strictly' partnership with Katie Hopkins. All for it. Not sure which is uglier ๐ง
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2021 20:33:42 GMT
How come she's started dressing like Honey G?
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Sept 16, 2021 20:33:54 GMT
If we're being daft then lets see her matched up in a same sex 'Strictly' partnership with Katie Hopkins. All for it. Not sure which is uglier ๐ง You won't be able to tell when thy're both dressed in Santa suits for their charity Xmas No 1. A remake of the Bing Crosby/David Bowie classic 'Little Bomber Boy'.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Sept 16, 2021 22:25:24 GMT
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Post by heworksardtho on Sept 17, 2021 5:01:45 GMT
I thought she was speaking quite well... right up until the point she said she could help fight extremism as Boris didn't have a clue ๐๐. Whether he does or not, you don't then carry on slagging off the people you are trying to convince. I think that Freudian slip said a lot about her true intentions towards this country. May she rot in hell. Whatever you (or I) think about her as a person shouldn't colour anyone's judgement as to what is the right thing to do. Begum is detained in the Al Roj camp maintained largely by Chia Kurd female soldiers along with a couple of thousand other 'ISIS brides' and their offspring. It is unlikely in the turmoil of that region that they will ever get around to formally prosecuting most of them and eventually they will drift back into some sort of society - which being the case Begum will probably avoid justice and being something of a celebrity it's not beyond tge realms of possibility that she would end up marrying her way out of the shit to live well in some fancy part of the middle east. Now wouldn't that just piss you off? But even if she doesn't it's still somewhat unfair to foist her on the Kurds. She was born in Britain, she was radicalised in Britain and she should face justice in Britain. That is the right thing to do as a responsible nation - not dump our problems on those unable through no fault of their own to adequately deal with the consequences Sheโs stateless sheโs not our problem
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Post by thevoid on Sept 17, 2021 5:36:56 GMT
Here we go. Smokescreen for what, please?,,,,
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Post by thevoid on Sept 17, 2021 5:38:10 GMT
I can't decide if you're thick as mince or just after attention,,, I'll go for a bit of both,,,๐
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Sept 17, 2021 8:44:12 GMT
Whatever you (or I) think about her as a person shouldn't colour anyone's judgement as to what is the right thing to do. Begum is detained in the Al Roj camp maintained largely by Chia Kurd female soldiers along with a couple of thousand other 'ISIS brides' and their offspring. It is unlikely in the turmoil of that region that they will ever get around to formally prosecuting most of them and eventually they will drift back into some sort of society - which being the case Begum will probably avoid justice and being something of a celebrity it's not beyond tge realms of possibility that she would end up marrying her way out of the shit to live well in some fancy part of the middle east. Now wouldn't that just piss you off? But even if she doesn't it's still somewhat unfair to foist her on the Kurds. She was born in Britain, she was radicalised in Britain and she should face justice in Britain. That is the right thing to do as a responsible nation - not dump our problems on those unable through no fault of their own to adequately deal with the consequences Sheโs stateless sheโs not our problem She's stateless because the government made her stateless in an act of populism and cowardice and that they thought would just make the problem go away. Doesn't look like it's worked though does it? I'm no fan of the the US but hat's off for actively sereing the extradition of 'the Beatles' who aren't even American. We're running scared of a schoolgirl.
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Post by franklin on Sept 17, 2021 8:53:13 GMT
Sheโs stateless sheโs not our problem She's stateless because the government made her stateless in an act of populism and cowardice and that they thought would just make the problem go away. Doesn't look like it's worked though does it? She's not stateless the UK government have revoked her British citizenship she has other options like her husband's and fathers.
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Sept 17, 2021 9:00:00 GMT
She's stateless because the government made her stateless in an act of populism and cowardice and that they thought would just make the problem go away. Doesn't look like it's worked though does it? She's not stateless the UK government have revoked her British citizenship she has other options like her husband's and fathers. Ok - the 'stateless' question is a legal arguement. It doesn't alter the point that the British government have looked to abdicate their responsibility and worse look to foist the problem on either Bangladesh, The Netherlands or AN Other.
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Post by franklin on Sept 17, 2021 9:06:52 GMT
She's not stateless the UK government have revoked her British citizenship she has other options like her husband's and fathers. Ok - the 'stateless' question is a legal arguement. It doesn't alter the point that the British government have looked to abdicate their responsibility and worse look to foist the problem on either Bangladesh, The Netherlands or AN Other. The UK government are not the first country to strip a person of their citizenship, as for foist our problem we've done no such thing she put herself in this position so fuck her.
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