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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Sept 15, 2021 12:36:13 GMT
This is one I'm really torn on to be honest. She committed a horrifying crime in joining isis and it was pretty clear, at least up until recently, she had zero remorse.
All that said, I think it's only right that we take her back and try her in the UK. It's not fair on the Kurds and other minorities in the region who have already suffered so much during the war against isis. We have a responsibility to the wider world to take back British citizens and deal with them internally. She should serve a significant sentence as a warning to others not to join abhorrent, disgusting terrorist organisations.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Sept 15, 2021 12:39:29 GMT
This is one I'm really torn on to be honest. She committed a horrifying crime in joining isis and it was pretty clear, at least up until recently, she had zero remorse. All that said, I think it's only right that we take her back and try her in the UK. It's not fair on the Kurds and other minorities in the region who have already suffered so much during the war against isis. We have a responsibility to the wider world to take back British citizens and deal with them internally. She should serve a significant sentence as a warning to others not to join abhorrent, disgusting terrorist organisations. Agree 100% sheâs our problemâŚâŚ
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Post by PotterLog on Sept 15, 2021 12:52:56 GMT
Haha Iâm so sorry if I âoffendedâ anyone. Very 2021
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Post by foster on Sept 15, 2021 12:57:51 GMT
I think her lawyer might need some PR training too..... If he's British then he needs his nationality stripped too. As does anyone supporting any kind of anti-western terrorist organisation.
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Post by foster on Sept 15, 2021 13:11:57 GMT
Not sure if he pulled a swift u-turn here as his original post wasn't linked to the video as far as I can tell. Also been deleted.
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Post by franklin on Sept 15, 2021 13:29:00 GMT
Haha Iâm so sorry if I âoffendedâ anyone. Very 2021 If she was made from glass she couldn't be more transparent how anyone could be taken in is beyond me.
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Post by followyoudown on Sept 15, 2021 13:32:06 GMT
I think her lawyer might need some PR training too..... If he's British then he needs his nationality stripped too. As does anyone supporting any kind of anti-western terrorist organisation. I think thats a bit of an overreaction, my point was if you are defending terror suspects it's probably best to avoid comments that could be taken as implying support or making jokes about people doing things the Taliban do.
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Post by followyoudown on Sept 15, 2021 13:36:05 GMT
Not sure if he pulled a swift u-turn here as his original post wasn't linked to the video as far as I can tell. Also been deleted. I imagine he realised pretty quick it wasn't a good look for Shamima's lawyer and / or the law society wouldn't be too impressed.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2021 13:40:14 GMT
If ever an interview was staged to try and influence the public opinion of her. Even her clothes. Reminds me of when Apu in The Simpsons tried to get citizenship
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Sept 15, 2021 17:32:18 GMT
She needs to go to jail, simple as. And then violated by the more promiscuous inmates
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Post by franklin on Sept 15, 2021 17:43:59 GMT
She needs to go to jail, simple as. And then violated by the more promiscuous inmates I thought she was in jail already so for me she can stay exactly where she is and rot.
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Post by Boothen on Sept 15, 2021 18:08:01 GMT
Why are the media even giving this rancid cunt any airtime or publicity? Should just let it die in whatever dusty shithole it's currently residing in.
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Post by foster on Sept 15, 2021 18:27:00 GMT
If he's British then he needs his nationality stripped too. As does anyone supporting any kind of anti-western terrorist organisation. I think thats a bit of an overreaction, my point was if you are defending terror suspects it's probably best to avoid comments that could be taken as implying support or making jokes about people doing things the Taliban do. It's not a reaction. It's an opinion that I've held for a long time. Zero Tolerance.
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Post by franklin on Sept 15, 2021 18:40:11 GMT
I think thats a bit of an overreaction, my point was if you are defending terror suspects it's probably best to avoid comments that could be taken as implying support or making jokes about people doing things the Taliban do. It's not a reaction. It's an opinion that I've held for a long time. Zero Tolerance. And one I'd support you in.
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Post by heworksardtho on Sept 15, 2021 18:42:33 GMT
This is one I'm really torn on to be honest. She committed a horrifying crime in joining isis and it was pretty clear, at least up until recently, she had zero remorse. All that said, I think it's only right that we take her back and try her in the UK. It's not fair on the Kurds and other minorities in the region who have already suffered so much during the war against isis. We have a responsibility to the wider world to take back British citizens and deal with them internally. She should serve a significant sentence as a warning to others not to join abhorrent, disgusting terrorist organisations. Agree 100% sheâs our problemâŚâŚ Sheâs stateless now , and in the eyes of the law sheâs not even British as sheâs had her citizenship revoked , so 100% sheâs not our problem
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Sept 15, 2021 18:55:10 GMT
She needs to go to jail, simple as. And then violated by the more promiscuous inmates I thought she was in jail already so for me she can stay exactly where she is and rot. Not really a prison, anyway Iâd be very reluctant to bring her back here with our justice system. Sheâd probably be put on tag for 3 months and taking selfieâs in Rhyl in not time
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Post by jack1 on Sept 15, 2021 21:31:53 GMT
She looks quite fit with her sexy new look! đđ
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Post by Orbs on Sept 15, 2021 21:37:11 GMT
I thought she was in jail already so for me she can stay exactly where she is and rot. Not really a prison, anyway Iâd be very reluctant to bring her back here with our justice system. Sheâd probably be put on tag for 3 months and taking selfieâs in Rhyl in not time I doubt she'd get that tough of a sentence Badge.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2021 22:55:40 GMT
Rhyl a bit unfair. She deserves punishment but not that.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2021 3:18:38 GMT
Iâm a bit ashamed to admit it, but IWFH.
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Post by heworksardtho on Sept 16, 2021 5:29:38 GMT
Iâm a bit ashamed to admit it, but IWFH. Yes with a baseball bat
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Post by metalhead on Sept 16, 2021 8:19:40 GMT
I must admit, saying "I could help you fight terrorism because you clearly donât know what youâre doing" made me laugh a bit. It's a tad ironic, considering the Gov are doing a sterling job of keeping her, a terrorist, out of the country right now.
The problem remains that she is our shit to clean up. She may have been radicalised by a militant terrorist organisation, located in the Middle East but her birth certificate reads some hospital in London. That makes it our responsibility to do something. Our laws have not caught up to tackle this kind of crime. If she ever makes it back to Britain, we all know that various oily human rights lawyers will be over it like a rash and she'd be out in days, if not hours. What evidence do we even have of her committing crimes? Her lawyers could literally argue that she simply fancied a nice holiday in Syria. It's all anecdotal, even though there are stories from Syria that indicate she was very much involved. In court, any case would collapse instantly. What are they going to do, video link testimonials from Syria? Bribe some of her ISIS buddies to grass on her? No wonder the Guardian want her home, she's had more positive publicity in that paper than anyone.
In some respect, this situation has prompted me to sympathise with the US over Guantanamo Bay. The original point of Guantanamo Bay was to effectively keep known terrorists and the most dangerous of individuals in a place outside of legal jurisdiction. The torture and what not, was just a byproduct of having no human rights and laws.
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Post by phileetin on Sept 16, 2021 8:29:36 GMT
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Post by partickpotter on Sept 16, 2021 8:42:54 GMT
I must admit, saying "I could help you fight terrorism because you clearly donât know what youâre doing" made me laugh a bit. It's a tad ironic, considering the Gov are doing a sterling job of keeping her, a terrorist, out of the country right now. The problem remains that she is our shit to clean up. She may have been radicalised by a militant terrorist organisation, located in the Middle East but her birth certificate reads some hospital in London. That makes it our responsibility to do something. Our laws have not caught up to tackle this kind of crime. If she ever makes it back to Britain, we all know that various oily human rights lawyers will be over it like a rash and she'd be out in days, if not hours. What evidence do we even have of her committing crimes? Her lawyers could literally argue that she simply fancied a nice holiday in Syria. It's all anecdotal, even though there are stories from Syria that indicate she was very much involved. In court, any case would collapse instantly. What are they going to do, video link testimonials from Syria? Bribe some of her ISIS buddies to grass on her? No wonder the Guardian want her home, she's had more positive publicity in that paper than anyone. In some respect, this situation has prompted me to sympathise with the US over Guantanamo Bay. The original point of Guantanamo Bay was to effectively keep known terrorists and the most dangerous of individuals in a place outside of legal jurisdiction. The torture and what not, was just a byproduct of having no human rights and laws. I agree with you that she should be brought back. We canât pass the responsibility for her onto another country. The argument though that she might help us in the fight against terrorism by talking to people who might be susceptible to the sort of stuff that made her head of to Syria is a reasonable one. Itâs certainly not unusual. Reformed drug addicts do this sort of thing all the time. Anyway, before that can be considered, and if she is allowed back to the UK, itâs necessary for her to face the consequences of her actions which means having her day in court. As you say though, the outcome of that is not certain. But that is what we have and itâs what we should do.
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Post by followyoudown on Sept 16, 2021 9:27:07 GMT
Yes he is not one for hyperbole, he didn't deny the widely reported stitching forced suicide bombers into vests and implied there was much much worse. The other thing I found odd was the way she referred to the UK, lots of your country (not my) type comments, some mumbled bullshit about previous comments on the manchester arena bombings and no sign of emotion talking about her own kids, it was all just a PR exercise she can toss her hair as often as she likes not fooling anyone she has really changed.
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Sept 16, 2021 9:49:42 GMT
Yes he is not one for hyperbole, he didn't deny the widely reported stitching forced suicide bombers into vests and implied there was much much worse. The other thing I found odd was the way she referred to the UK, lots of your country (not my) type comments, some mumbled bullshit about previous comments on the manchester arena bombings and no sign of emotion talking about her own kids, it was all just a PR exercise she can toss her hair as often as she likes not fooling anyone she has really changed. Bring her back to the UK and put it through the courts. Whatever sentence she gets should be accompanied with a lifetime permanent non removeable tagging. Then security forces can monitor her whereabouts at ALL times. Same should apply to anyone convicted of terrorism related offences in the UK. Unfortunately the human rights lawyers get in the way.
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Post by metalhead on Sept 16, 2021 10:08:40 GMT
I must admit, saying "I could help you fight terrorism because you clearly donât know what youâre doing" made me laugh a bit. It's a tad ironic, considering the Gov are doing a sterling job of keeping her, a terrorist, out of the country right now. The problem remains that she is our shit to clean up. She may have been radicalised by a militant terrorist organisation, located in the Middle East but her birth certificate reads some hospital in London. That makes it our responsibility to do something. Our laws have not caught up to tackle this kind of crime. If she ever makes it back to Britain, we all know that various oily human rights lawyers will be over it like a rash and she'd be out in days, if not hours. What evidence do we even have of her committing crimes? Her lawyers could literally argue that she simply fancied a nice holiday in Syria. It's all anecdotal, even though there are stories from Syria that indicate she was very much involved. In court, any case would collapse instantly. What are they going to do, video link testimonials from Syria? Bribe some of her ISIS buddies to grass on her? No wonder the Guardian want her home, she's had more positive publicity in that paper than anyone. In some respect, this situation has prompted me to sympathise with the US over Guantanamo Bay. The original point of Guantanamo Bay was to effectively keep known terrorists and the most dangerous of individuals in a place outside of legal jurisdiction. The torture and what not, was just a byproduct of having no human rights and laws. I agree with you that she should be brought back. We canât pass the responsibility for her onto another country. The argument though that she might help us in the fight against terrorism by talking to people who might be susceptible to the sort of stuff that made her head of to Syria is a reasonable one. Itâs certainly not unusual. Reformed drug addicts do this sort of thing all the time. Anyway, before that can be considered, and if she is allowed back to the UK, itâs necessary for her to face the consequences of her actions which means having her day in court. As you say though, the outcome of that is not certain. But that is what we have and itâs what we should do. It is our responsibility to bring her back, the question is how do we do it? Like I said, put her on the first plane back to Manchester and she will be walking the streets, laughing at dead soldiers and joking about heads in bins before Christmas. I've said in this thread before, the conditions of her return would have to be almost an entire forfeit of due process. An exception that involved essentially "I give up all of my rights which will be returned, upon receipt of information". I would want everything, names, locations, where she stayed, what time she took a piss... i would want absolutely everything before she was left to roam.
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Post by followyoudown on Sept 16, 2021 10:11:46 GMT
Yes he is not one for hyperbole, he didn't deny the widely reported stitching forced suicide bombers into vests and implied there was much much worse. The other thing I found odd was the way she referred to the UK, lots of your country (not my) type comments, some mumbled bullshit about previous comments on the manchester arena bombings and no sign of emotion talking about her own kids, it was all just a PR exercise she can toss her hair as often as she likes not fooling anyone she has really changed. Bring her back to the UK and put it through the courts. Whatever sentence she gets should be accompanied with a lifetime permanent non removeable tagging. Then security forces can monitor her whereabouts at ALL times. Same should apply to anyone convicted of terrorism related offences in the UK. Unfortunately the human rights lawyers get in the way. And then expose who and how they gathered the information from ? If she comes back I doubt she serves more than a sentence for joining ISIS any other evidence would probably not be sufficient for a court of law beyond reasonable doubt.
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Post by dutchstokie on Sept 16, 2021 11:57:22 GMT
I agree with you that she should be brought back. We canât pass the responsibility for her onto another country. The argument though that she might help us in the fight against terrorism by talking to people who might be susceptible to the sort of stuff that made her head of to Syria is a reasonable one. Itâs certainly not unusual. Reformed drug addicts do this sort of thing all the time. Anyway, before that can be considered, and if she is allowed back to the UK, itâs necessary for her to face the consequences of her actions which means having her day in court. As you say though, the outcome of that is not certain. But that is what we have and itâs what we should do. It is our responsibility to bring her back, the question is how do we do it? Like I said, put her on the first plane back to Manchester and she will be walking the streets, laughing at dead soldiers and joking about heads in bins before Christmas. I've said in this thread before, the conditions of her return would have to be almost an entire forfeit of due process. An exception that involved essentially "I give up all of my rights which will be returned, upon receipt of information". I would want everything, names, locations, where she stayed, what time she took a piss... i would want absolutely everything before she was left to roam. Can I use my water canon ? (Its not really a water canon - its one of them 'super soaker' things. I suppose I could piss in it first like on Jackass)
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Post by thevoid on Sept 16, 2021 12:14:32 GMT
I agree with you that she should be brought back. We canât pass the responsibility for her onto another country. The argument though that she might help us in the fight against terrorism by talking to people who might be susceptible to the sort of stuff that made her head of to Syria is a reasonable one. Itâs certainly not unusual. Reformed drug addicts do this sort of thing all the time. Anyway, before that can be considered, and if she is allowed back to the UK, itâs necessary for her to face the consequences of her actions which means having her day in court. As you say though, the outcome of that is not certain. But that is what we have and itâs what we should do. It is our responsibility to bring her back, the question is how do we do it? Like I said, put her on the first plane back to Manchester and she will be walking the streets, laughing at dead soldiers and joking about heads in bins before Christmas. I've said in this thread before, the conditions of her return would have to be almost an entire forfeit of due process. An exception that involved essentially "I give up all of my rights which will be returned, upon receipt of information". I would want everything, names, locations, where she stayed, what time she took a piss... i would want absolutely everything before she was left to roam. Via a Paris tunnel? đ
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