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Post by musik on Jul 22, 2024 12:12:42 GMT
Personally I would like to know what the Republicans want and what the Democrats want. But people there seem to vote on persons instead of politics.
Are there any other political parties to vote for over there?
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jul 22, 2024 12:16:16 GMT
Most people did. It's on Britbox You didn't miss anything mate, it was embarrassingly bad.
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Post by foster on Jul 22, 2024 12:19:01 GMT
Personally I would like to know what the Republicans want and what the Democrats want. But people there seem to vote on persons instead of politics. Are there any other political parties to vote for over there? I know a few of the extreme Republican views but I agree. Other than those I don't see anything about anything else.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jul 22, 2024 12:22:27 GMT
Not at all. I'd prefer the Democrats put someone up who has a decent shot (pardon the pun) of keeping him out of the White House though. I'm not sure Harris is that person. She isn't, not at all. The problem that the Democrats have now though, is that the $200,000,000 which has been raised during Biden's campaign to date, can legally only be spent by the current VP if the President drops out. It's going to cost them massively if they're going to replace her but it's going to cost them even more (the election) if they stick with her. It's interesting that even though Soros and the Clinton's have officially endorsed her, the Obama's, very publicly haven't.
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Post by andystokey on Jul 22, 2024 13:02:05 GMT
Not at all. I'd prefer the Democrats put someone up who has a decent shot (pardon the pun) of keeping him out of the White House though. I'm not sure Harris is that person. She isn't, not at all. The problem that the Democrats have now though, is that the $200,000,000 which has been raised during Biden's campaign to date, can legally only be spent by the current VP if the President drops out. It's going to cost them massively if they're going to replace her but it's going to cost them even more (the election) if they stick with her. It's interesting that even though Soros and the Clinton's have officially endorsed her, the Obama's, very publicly haven't. Although public donations for her surged to $50m overnight.
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Post by farfromhere on Jul 22, 2024 13:17:18 GMT
What do you mean 'sworn in' mate? I’ll swear (pledge) my allegiance to the US and finally become a citizen. will you get taxed on citizenship? I know it applies if you're born in the US
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Post by JoeinOz on Jul 22, 2024 13:24:04 GMT
Democrats, whoever the candidate is, should focus on Trump's age and unsuitability to be president.
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Post by mtrstudent on Jul 22, 2024 13:39:47 GMT
I’ll swear (pledge) my allegiance to the US and finally become a citizen. will you get taxed on citizenship? I know it applies if you're born in the US It follows you everywhere and you always have to file US taxes. But if you paid enough in another country they don't take more. Even if cville goes back home. Although not sure what happens if he goes to musks mars colony in future.
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Post by mtrstudent on Jul 22, 2024 13:42:50 GMT
will you get taxed on citizenship? I know it applies if you're born in the US It follows you everywhere and you always have to file US taxes. But if you paid enough in another country they don't take more. Even if cville goes back home. Although not sure what happens if he goes to musks mars colony in future. I wish they'd really hammer home what they've actually done and what they're going to do. If they'd just sell their actual policies they'd do loads better IMO. More power for normal people. Making richer people pay the taxes they owe. Investing in future jobs and manufacturing. Protecting basic rights like abortions, IVF etc. Trying to enforce the law on the border and removing those who enter illegally rather than tearing families apart in a massive campaign of child abuse like the republicans did etc etc. Republicans act to install a Putin style dictatorship and democrats support freedom and democracy. It should be an easy sell really, but the republicans are really good at picking simple, effective lies to win votes.
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Post by JoeinOz on Jul 22, 2024 13:47:58 GMT
Farage described Harris as a black African woman. Which is just wrong. Will the press confront him about this?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2024 13:50:11 GMT
will you get taxed on citizenship? I know it applies if you're born in the US It follows you everywhere and you always have to file US taxes. But if you paid enough in another country they don't take more. Even if cville goes back home. Although not sure what happens if he goes to musks mars colony in future. I have always paid tax and social security in the US (well, the latter after moving off a J1). I don’t pay tax in the UK. I have no job/assets there and no plan to return other than to see my family. US is home. England is the country I was born in. Stoke City FC forever though.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2024 13:52:56 GMT
Farage described Harris as a black African woman. Which is just wrong. Will the press confront him about this? I think it was a misstep. African Americans are black. I assume he meant to say black, then African American, screwed it up and left it there. I don’t like Farage but the video didn’t seem anything more than an error. I do expect Republican fringes to push some nonsense out about her ethnicity and country of origin soon enough though.
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Post by spitthedog on Jul 22, 2024 13:59:57 GMT
Not at all. I'd prefer the Democrats put someone up who has a decent shot (pardon the pun) of keeping him out of the White House though. I'm not sure Harris is that person. She isn't, not at all. The problem that the Democrats have now though, is that the $200,000,000 which has been raised during Biden's campaign to date, can legally only be spent by the current VP if the President drops out. It's going to cost them massively if they're going to replace her but it's going to cost them even more (the election) if they stick with her. It's interesting that even though Soros and the Clinton's have officially endorsed her, the Obama's, very publicly haven't. he didn't endorse Biden, so not a big surprise there?
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Post by JoeinOz on Jul 22, 2024 14:02:22 GMT
Farage described Harris as a black African woman. Which is just wrong. Will the press confront him about this? I think it was a misstep. African Americans are black. I assume he meant to say black, then African American, screwed it up and left it there. I don’t like Farage but the video didn’t seem anything more than an error. I do expect Republican fringes to push some nonsense out about her ethnicity and country of origin soon enough though. She was born in California. Indian mum and Jamaican dad. That is not African
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Post by musik on Jul 22, 2024 18:05:06 GMT
I think it was a misstep. African Americans are black. I assume he meant to say black, then African American, screwed it up and left it there. I don’t like Farage but the video didn’t seem anything more than an error. I do expect Republican fringes to push some nonsense out about her ethnicity and country of origin soon enough though. She was born in California. Indian mum and Jamaican dad. That is not African Brown?
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Post by gawa on Jul 22, 2024 18:10:31 GMT
Democrats, whoever the candidate is, should focus on Trump's age and unsuitability to be president. They need to focus on offering a better alternative and a reason to vote for them. Politics of lesser of two evils only delivers one thing, an evil. Is Jill Stein on the ballot for Greens or did they manage to keep her off? I don't know how American politics work but have seen some stuff from her highlighting how challenging it is to get on the ballot or something. I believe Kennedy may be down as an alternative however? Would be good to see more votes going to the likes of Stein and Kennedy and Americans putting the two fingers up to the failing two party system.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2024 18:31:36 GMT
I think it was a misstep. African Americans are black. I assume he meant to say black, then African American, screwed it up and left it there. I don’t like Farage but the video didn’t seem anything more than an error. I do expect Republican fringes to push some nonsense out about her ethnicity and country of origin soon enough though. She was born in California. Indian mum and Jamaican dad. That is not African I’m aware. What I was trying to say is that he may have been about to say black, wondering if it was an appropriate descriptor then started pivoting to African American, got confused and stopped. I felt like it was a jumble of words rather than a deliberate misstep. Maybe I’m wrong.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2024 18:32:04 GMT
She isn't, not at all. The problem that the Democrats have now though, is that the $200,000,000 which has been raised during Biden's campaign to date, can legally only be spent by the current VP if the President drops out. It's going to cost them massively if they're going to replace her but it's going to cost them even more (the election) if they stick with her. It's interesting that even though Soros and the Clinton's have officially endorsed her, the Obama's, very publicly haven't. he didn't endorse Biden, so not a big surprise there? Doesn’t want to appear to be Kingmaker.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jul 22, 2024 18:32:35 GMT
She was born in California. Indian mum and Jamaican dad. That is not African I’m aware. What I was trying to say is that he may have been about to say black, wondering if it was an appropriate descriptor then started pivoting to African American, got confused and stopped. I felt like it was a jumble of words rather than a deliberate misstep. Maybe I’m wrong. He’s trying to barrage the Farage and failing.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2024 18:38:51 GMT
Democrats, whoever the candidate is, should focus on Trump's age and unsuitability to be president. They need to focus on offering a better alternative and a reason to vote for them. Politics of lesser of two evils only delivers one thing, an evil. Is Jill Stein on the ballot for Greens or did they manage to keep her off? I don't know how American politics work but have seen some stuff from her highlighting how challenging it is to get on the ballot or something. I believe Kennedy may be down as an alternative however? Would be good to see more votes going to the likes of Stein and Kennedy and Americans putting the two fingers up to the failing two party system. Scale is the main issue Gawa. You could create State-specific parties that would likely do well in one area. They would do nothing on the Federal level and just destroy DNC/RNC’s chances of winning the electoral college. Change comes from State and City govt, where the spectrum of views is FAR wider within each party than Corbyn vs Sunak.
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Post by JoeinOz on Jul 22, 2024 18:41:15 GMT
She was born in California. Indian mum and Jamaican dad. That is not African I’m aware. What I was trying to say is that he may have been about to say black, wondering if it was an appropriate descriptor then started pivoting to African American, got confused and stopped. I felt like it was a jumble of words rather than a deliberate misstep. Maybe I’m wrong. It was really clumsy. Not to mention untrue. If Biden had said the same thing it'd be across the world's media within minutes.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jul 22, 2024 18:41:51 GMT
I’m aware. What I was trying to say is that he may have been about to say black, wondering if it was an appropriate descriptor then started pivoting to African American, got confused and stopped. I felt like it was a jumble of words rather than a deliberate misstep. Maybe I’m wrong. It was really clumsy. Not to mention untrue So now it’s clumsy, make your mind up
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Post by JoeinOz on Jul 22, 2024 18:42:25 GMT
It was really clumsy. Not to mention untrue So now it’s clumsy, make your mind up I edited it.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jul 22, 2024 18:42:49 GMT
So now it’s clumsy, make your mind up I edited it. Fair enough mate, my bad
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Post by Gods on Jul 22, 2024 18:45:25 GMT
I've invented a slogan for the Democrat campaign team which I am making available at no cost.
"If anyone can, Kamala can"
It needs a little work but I think I'm on to something 🤔
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 22, 2024 19:36:20 GMT
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jul 22, 2024 20:23:05 GMT
She was born in California. Indian mum and Jamaican dad. That is not African I’m aware. What I was trying to say is that he may have been about to say black, wondering if it was an appropriate descriptor then started pivoting to African American, got confused and stopped. I felt like it was a jumble of words rather than a deliberate misstep. Maybe I’m wrong. He didn't need to remotely mention her ethnicity, Farage has never felt minded to describe Trump or Biden as being 'white'. You're right, it wasn't a 'deliberate' misstep, it was a natural misstep, it's in his dna, Farage sees colour, before he sees the person.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2024 20:26:34 GMT
I’m aware. What I was trying to say is that he may have been about to say black, wondering if it was an appropriate descriptor then started pivoting to African American, got confused and stopped. I felt like it was a jumble of words rather than a deliberate misstep. Maybe I’m wrong. He didn't need to remotely mention her ethnicity, Farage has never felt minded to describe Trump or Biden as being 'white'. You're right, it wasn't a 'deliberate' misstep, it was a natural misstep, it's in his dna, Farage sees colour, before he sees the person. His point, that It’s hard to imagine the US electing a black woman, is not unreasonable. Her running mate will almost certainly be a straight, white male for that very reason.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jul 22, 2024 20:28:17 GMT
He didn't need to remotely mention her ethnicity, Farage has never felt minded to describe Trump or Biden as being 'white'. You're right, it wasn't a 'deliberate' misstep, it was a natural misstep, it's in his dna, Farage sees colour, before he sees the person. His point, that It’s hard to imagine the US electing a black woman, is not unreasonable. Her running mate will almost certainly be a straight, white male for that very reason. He knows what was meant but has to be seen to be defending people that don’t need defending again. It was a perfectly legitimate point from Farage, although rather clumsily put admittedly. It’s live tv it happens
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jul 22, 2024 20:32:27 GMT
His point, that It’s hard to imagine the US electing a black woman, is not unreasonable. Her running mate will almost certainly be a straight, white male for that very reason. He knows what was meant but has to be seen to be defending people that don’t need defending again. It was a perfectly legitimate point from Farage, although rather clumsily put admittedly. It’s live tv it happens Who do I 'have to be seen' by Badge?
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