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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jan 13, 2021 20:01:39 GMT
I'm not sure that if you find comedy about coons, Pakis, niggers etc offensive that it makes you an oversensitive loser  Similarly, if you object to any attempt at fun which might mention, for want of a better example, a gay person, even if its entirely within context, then you probably are an oversensitive loser! As I indicated in my original response, there is a sensible middle ground which isn't actually that hard to find without losing any of the humour. Plenty of comics on tv every day of the week doing just that. Hyperbole and over-reaction on both sides are just as lamentable. To say that no-one is funny or finds anything funny for fear of reprisal is hyperbolic nonsense. Nor is all comedy sterile and dull. Clearly, there are dozens of tv comedy shows and live acts who are funny and people do laugh at. That's palpably the case. And many of the live ones are offensive - I went to see Jerry Sadowitz a short while back, it didn't offend me in the slightest, but it was about as 'dodgy' as it gets! To try to claim all comedy is sterile, no-one is funny and everyone is scared to laugh is just as bad as the whining from the other end of the scale! Let's be honest though, comedy which reference "niggers", "coons" and "pakis" amounts to about 0.0001% of British comedy of the past 50 years. I do agree everyone has a different threshold but my view is simple, if one finds it offensive then don't watch it. Do you think Billy Connolly crosses the line with his Jihadist sketches? Many would want his head on a stick for blasphemy for that stuff (quite literally as we saw with Charlie Hebdo). Others would say he's a prophet of free speech. Really? Loads of live acts would have done so well within the last 50 years. On tv, a fair few - not so much these days, thankfully. I don't know what Connolly's jihadist routine is so I can't really say. Do you really think jokes about paedos, disabled people, coons, niggers, Pakis, Jews, queers etc etc are fair game for early evening mainstream tv on the basis of don't watch if it offends you? |
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jan 13, 2021 20:03:04 GMT
8 out of 10 Cats does Countdown Taskmaster Family Guy Vicar of Dibley Keeping up Appearances New stuff, old stuff, all funny. 😏 Maybe it's you, Badger |
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Jan 13, 2021 20:03:58 GMT
8 out of 10 Cats does Countdown Taskmaster Family Guy Vicar of Dibley Keeping up Appearances New stuff, old stuff, all funny. Vicar of Dibleys BLM episode. The most painfully cringeworthy, unfunny bit of comedy in British history? Fair enough if she really wanted to introduce identity politics into her episode (I personally think that's absurd but hey these are odd times), but surely she could at least make it remotely humorous? |
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Jan 13, 2021 20:04:41 GMT
Ricky Gervais can also be incredibly offensive but hasn't been cancelled yet. Ricky Gervais is great and one of the last men standing. There aren't many left. His piece to the woke celebs was a worldie. |
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jan 13, 2021 20:07:55 GMT
Ricky Gervais can also be incredibly offensive but hasn't been cancelled yet. Likewise Jimmy Carr, go and see him if you want offensive. I've got tickets to see him later this year - although I will make sure I don't laugh for fear of reprisals... |
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Jan 13, 2021 20:10:18 GMT
Let's be honest though, comedy which reference "niggers", "coons" and "pakis" amounts to about 0.0001% of British comedy of the past 50 years. I do agree everyone has a different threshold but my view is simple, if one finds it offensive then don't watch it. Do you think Billy Connolly crosses the line with his Jihadist sketches? Many would want his head on a stick for blasphemy for that stuff (quite literally as we saw with Charlie Hebdo). Others would say he's a prophet of free speech. Really? Loads of live acts would have done so well within the last 50 years. On tv, a fair few - not so much these days, thankfully. I don't know what Connolly's jihadist routine is so I can't really say. Do you really think jokes about paedos, disabled people, coons, niggers, Pakis, Jews, queers etc etc are fair game for early evening mainstream tv on the basis of don't watch if it offends you? Come on let's not pretend those words are used regularly. Those people have frequently been offended in the past 50 years for sure in the same way in non white comedy the white man has been ripped to shreds - rightly so, its comedy and it should offend. Yeah of course you're not going to stick an episode of the Inbetweeners on at 6pm, I appreciate that. And light humour can be just as effective ie Only Fools and all the classics - although they still massively stereotype and offend because that's comedy!! |
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Post by zerps on Jan 13, 2021 20:10:55 GMT
Ricky Gervais can also be incredibly offensive but hasn't been cancelled yet. Likewise Jimmy Carr, go and see him if you want offensive. I've got tickets to see him later this year - although I will make sure I don't laugh for fear of reprisals... I’ll raise you Frankie Boyle. Genius. |
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jan 13, 2021 20:13:27 GMT
Really? Loads of live acts would have done so well within the last 50 years. On tv, a fair few - not so much these days, thankfully. I don't know what Connolly's jihadist routine is so I can't really say. Do you really think jokes about paedos, disabled people, coons, niggers, Pakis, Jews, queers etc etc are fair game for early evening mainstream tv on the basis of don't watch if it offends you? Come on let's not pretend those words are used regularly. Those people have frequently been offended in the past 50 years for sure in the same way in non white comedy the white man has been ripped to shreds - rightly so, its comedy and it should offend. Yeah of course you're not going to stick an episode of the Inbetweeners on at 6pm, I appreciate that. And light humour can be just as effective ie Only Fools and all the classics - although they still massively stereotype and offend because that's comedy!! I'm asking whether you think they should be, since you said if one finds it offensive don't watch it. In which case, anything goes doesn't it? Why are you worried about what time this stuff is shown? If it's offensive, people just shouldn't watch it... |
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jan 13, 2021 20:14:27 GMT
Likewise Jimmy Carr, go and see him if you want offensive. I've got tickets to see him later this year - although I will make sure I don't laugh for fear of reprisals... I’ll raise you Frankie Boyle. Genius. Spot on, now there's somebody I should go and see, although I think he's stopped touring cos it takes so much out of him, the big fucking snowflake |
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Post by crapslinger on Jan 13, 2021 20:20:17 GMT
Let's be honest though, comedy which reference "niggers", "coons" and "pakis" amounts to about 0.0001% of British comedy of the past 50 years. I do agree everyone has a different threshold but my view is simple, if one finds it offensive then don't watch it. Do you think Billy Connolly crosses the line with his Jihadist sketches? Many would want his head on a stick for blasphemy for that stuff (quite literally as we saw with Charlie Hebdo). Others would say he's a prophet of free speech. Billy Connolly actually upset christians at one point 😂 It goes back years but the problem now is that social media magnifies everything a million times. Twitter is for twats. |
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Post by zerps on Jan 13, 2021 20:22:15 GMT
I’ll raise you Frankie Boyle. Genius. Spot on, now there's somebody I should go and see, although I think he's stopped touring cos it takes so much out of him, the big fucking snowflake He’s got some cracking stuff on YouTube 👍 |
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jan 13, 2021 20:23:11 GMT
Spot on, now there's somebody I should go and see, although I think he's stopped touring cos it takes so much out of him, the big fucking snowflake He’s got some cracking stuff on YouTube 👍 He was the best thing on Mock the Week by a country mile - it went downhill fast when he left. |
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Post by maninasuitcase on Jan 13, 2021 20:24:05 GMT
Who's buying? Mine's a Staropramen 👍🍺 maninasuitcase👀 We could chuck a few quid in a whip and get steadily ratted. Think stokebiancarossi might be in as well. 5 of us then. 😉 |
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Post by maninasuitcase on Jan 13, 2021 20:24:51 GMT
He’s got some cracking stuff on YouTube 👍 He was the best thing on Mock the Week by a country mile - it went downhill fast when he left. Definitely this ^ |
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Jan 13, 2021 20:25:47 GMT
Come on let's not pretend those words are used regularly. Those people have frequently been offended in the past 50 years for sure in the same way in non white comedy the white man has been ripped to shreds - rightly so, its comedy and it should offend. Yeah of course you're not going to stick an episode of the Inbetweeners on at 6pm, I appreciate that. And light humour can be just as effective ie Only Fools and all the classics - although they still massively stereotype and offend because that's comedy!! I'm asking whether you think they should be, since you said if one finds it offensive don't watch it. In which case, anything goes doesn't it? Why are you worried about what time this stuff is shown? If it's offensive, people just shouldn't watch it... Should be what? Of course certain programmes should be shown at a later time. Doing one's best to not show 10 year olds programmes with cocks and tits all over the place, screams of "peado" and "fucking cunt" - that is pretty different to banning such programmes altogether isn't it? You know that anyway. |
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jan 13, 2021 20:27:59 GMT
I'm asking whether you think they should be, since you said if one finds it offensive don't watch it. In which case, anything goes doesn't it? Why are you worried about what time this stuff is shown? If it's offensive, people just shouldn't watch it... Should be what? Of course certain programmes should be shown at a later time. Doing one's best to not show 10 year olds programmes with cocks and tits all over the place, screams of "peado" and "fucking cunt" - that is pretty different to banning such programmes altogether isn't it? You know that anyway. So, that being the case, there is some sort of assessment that certain topics are, in fact, too offensive to be shown at certain times for certain audiences, and it's not just a case of not watching it if it offends? |
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Post by crapslinger on Jan 13, 2021 20:29:48 GMT
I see this show attracted a lot of complaints from snowflakes I presume, from the Independent:
It was supposed to be a ground-breaking new BBC comedy which finally placed a modern Asian family centre-stage.
But Citizen Khan has proved no laughing matter after the sitcom prompted painful comparisons to the “racist” 70s series Mind Your Language.
Viewers complained that the new BBC1 comedy stereotyped Muslims and insulted Islam.
The corporation has received more than 200 complaints since the first episode aired on BBC1 on Monday night.
Ofcom, the broadcasting watchdog, will investigate after viewers accused the programme of mocking religious beliefs.
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Post by maninasuitcase on Jan 13, 2021 20:32:23 GMT
I see this show attracted a lot of complaints from snowflakes I presume, from the Independent:
It was supposed to be a ground-breaking new BBC comedy which finally placed a modern Asian family centre-stage.
But Citizen Khan has proved no laughing matter after the sitcom prompted painful comparisons to the “racist” 70s series Mind Your Language.
Viewers complained that the new BBC1 comedy stereotyped Muslims and insulted Islam.
The corporation has received more than 200 complaints since the first episode aired on BBC1 on Monday night.
Ofcom, the broadcasting watchdog, will investigate after viewers accused the programme of mocking religious beliefs.
Laughable considering it was written by an asian who is actually the main character of the series. |
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Post by crapslinger on Jan 13, 2021 20:40:17 GMT
I see this show attracted a lot of complaints from snowflakes I presume, from the Independent:
It was supposed to be a ground-breaking new BBC comedy which finally placed a modern Asian family centre-stage.
But Citizen Khan has proved no laughing matter after the sitcom prompted painful comparisons to the “racist” 70s series Mind Your Language.
Viewers complained that the new BBC1 comedy stereotyped Muslims and insulted Islam.
The corporation has received more than 200 complaints since the first episode aired on BBC1 on Monday night.
Ofcom, the broadcasting watchdog, will investigate after viewers accused the programme of mocking religious beliefs.
Laughable considering it was written by an asian who is actually the main character of the series. Fcuking gammonites  some people have lost the ability to laugh at themselves. |
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Post by crapslinger on Jan 13, 2021 20:42:16 GMT
I’ll raise you Frankie Boyle. Genius. Spot on, now there's somebody I should go and see, although I think he's stopped touring cos it takes so much out of him, the big fucking snowflake Wasn't he banned from the BBC for offensive jokes he made about the IRA and the Queen ? I might be wrong but I think he was around the time where he hit the bottle really hard. |
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Jan 13, 2021 20:44:10 GMT
Should be what? Of course certain programmes should be shown at a later time. Doing one's best to not show 10 year olds programmes with cocks and tits all over the place, screams of "peado" and "fucking cunt" - that is pretty different to banning such programmes altogether isn't it? You know that anyway. So, that being the case, there is some sort of assessment that certain topics are, in fact, too offensive to be shown at certain times for certain audiences, and it's not just a case of not watching it if it offends? Correct. |
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Post by crapslinger on Jan 13, 2021 20:48:09 GMT
So, that being the case, there is some sort of assessment that certain topics are, in fact, too offensive to be shown at certain times for certain audiences, and it's not just a case of not watching it if it offends? Correct. I thought that was what the nine o clock watershed was for not rocket science is it, they could give the usual warnings before airing as they do now hardly difficult. |
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Post by partickpotter on Jan 13, 2021 20:50:09 GMT
So, that being the case, there is some sort of assessment that certain topics are, in fact, too offensive to be shown at certain times for certain audiences, and it's not just a case of not watching it if it offends? Correct. Seeing as you mentioned the “c” word... |
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Jan 13, 2021 20:50:47 GMT
I thought that was what the nine o clock watershed was for not rocket science is it, they could give the usual warnings before airing as they do now hardly difficult. Indeed. And then after a certain time, anything goes. |
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Jan 13, 2021 20:52:26 GMT
Seeing as you mentioned the “c” word... Moderate violence and swearing - you could stick that crap on at 4pm 😊 |
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Post by Vadiation_Ribe on Jan 13, 2021 21:44:45 GMT
I agree cancel culture is ridiculous but the opening post isn't all true and is (in my opinion of course) OTT in places - ironically just like cancel culture and some censorship is itself. I occasionally listen to BBC Radio 5 and in that time regularly hear them talking about how lockdown is having a huge negative impact on mental health and the economy. People can find any argument for their beliefs/agenda, which is one of the big problems with the Internet and all these conspiracy theories. Have you heard the conspiracy QAnon followers believe in that they partly used to justify their attack on the Capitol? Trump is a scumbucket who only cares about himself. I heard his comments before I heard anything about the Capitol attack and thought they were disgusting. I think the fact so many people still can't see him for what he is is a sad indictment on society. The US has often been a precursor to what eventually happens in the UK. Well, Rupert Murdoch is launching a Fox News-style news channel over here, so things can only get worse. TalkRadio thrive on conflict and extreme opinions - YouTube probably didn't know who they were when they took TalkRadio's channel down, and it was soon reinstated. I doubt it had anything to do with any agenda. Although I don't have sympathy for them, it's immensely difficult for social networks and websites to police such a huge amount of content. If they didn't care so much about their huge profits, they could manage. All that all this cancel culture, censorship, people like Trump etc. is doing is driving everyone further apart. People will jump on anything to try and make someone look bad. I think Boris Johnson is incompetent but actually thought him cycling 7 miles from his home was perfectly reasonable. A majority of people seem incapable of having rational discussions online these days and a minority of people can seem much louder than they are (the Oatcake is a microcosm of that - you'd think every Stoke fan thinks O'Neill isn't doing a decent job at times, never mind a fantastic one). But the point is, whether or not you or me agree or disagree with a media outlets views or a presidents views... Who are we, as unelected members of the public (which is what the Twitter and Google exec team is), to ban them from expressing their view? Facebook, Twitter, Google and others have been brought to task by governments about the content that appears on their platforms. They are under pressure to moderate content. Teenagers have committed suicide and social networks have been blamed due to users sharing photos of self-harm, suicide videos etc. Publishers - newspapers, magazines, radio and TV stations etc. are responsible for the content they publish. The question is, are Facebook, Twitter, Google et al publishers? Should they be responsible for the content that appears on their platforms? One of my points was if you're going to make an argument for something, make sure you back it up with facts. I didn't say I think anything nonconformist should be banned. Where did I say anything should be banned? Nonconformist people are hugely important in the world - I'm probably nonconformist myself in some ways. Going back to being a publisher, TalkRadio should be responsible for the content they broadcast. If they're broadcasting false science (I don't know the details), they should be brought to task for it and warned about future conduct. That's what the likes of Ofcom are for, but they don't apply to YouTube who generally police themselves and/or make decisions based on users reporting content. And people aren't just expressing their views. Sickos are talking about organised terrorism, murder and rape etc. against people just because they've stood against Donald Trump. This is the kind of following Trump attracts. In an ideal world, these people would be banned from posting on the Internet. I agree with the sentiment that cancel culture and censorship has gone too far, but there are certain things people should not get away with. |
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Post by longdistancekiddie on Jan 13, 2021 22:24:05 GMT
Didn't know about Lyle Taylor, Isn’t that the point? Yes, that is why one mentioned it. |
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Post by The man from Utch on Jan 14, 2021 1:42:09 GMT
Love it. Hope this is the beginning of the end for them too.
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Post by PotterLog on Jan 14, 2021 3:33:35 GMT
Ricky Gervais can also be incredibly offensive but hasn't been cancelled yet. Some - but not many - people are uncancellable. |
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jan 14, 2021 7:11:15 GMT
So, that being the case, there is some sort of assessment that certain topics are, in fact, too offensive to be shown at certain times for certain audiences, and it's not just a case of not watching it if it offends? Correct. So, who gets to decide what gets "cancelled" on what channels and at what time and what is deemed suitable for "cancellation"? And how do we know that people are happy with that, from both sides ie those who aren't happy with the lack of offensive material and consider comedy sterile and no-one is funny or allowed to laugh for fear of reprisals, and from the other side who think there are too many offensive gags? |
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some people have lost the ability to laugh at themselves.
