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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jan 13, 2021 17:13:19 GMT
I don’t know if the age of social media is simply amplifying an issue that was already there but the main issue I see is that the sense making apparatus in Western society is broken. It seems to be getting worse though. It’s broken in the media, in politics, in education, in supposed intellectuals, it’s evident on this board. I think you're right, social media has an enormous impact. Anyone can post anything anonymously and, regardless of its veracity, if it is what someone wants to hear or read, it's "the truth". Ian Hislop presented a programme on this a few days ago which was very good. |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jan 13, 2021 17:24:35 GMT
This is the problem. No one is funny or finds anything funny now for fear of reprisal. I’ll just carry on as before, fuck everyone else mate👍🏻 I don't think that's the case at all and is a bit of an over-reaction. There are plenty of comedy shows on the tv which manage to be funny without anyone getting particularly upset or offended. And there are plenty of live stand-ups who sail very close to the wind in terms of tastelessness without straying into racism or bigotry or prejudice towards anyone. Comedy tastes change to reflect society. Wasn't that long ago that Bernard Manning would tell jokes about "an Englishman, Irishman and a Paki", or a white actor would brown-up to play an Indian in It Ain't Half Hot, Mum, neither of which would be considered acceptable these days. And fair enough. Likewise, I think most people always realised that Alf Garnett was the butt of the joke - there is a long tradition of the 'grotesque' in comedy, and he was fulfilling this role in this particular programme - but some of his language, regularly referring to coons and Pakis and the like, well, you can make your own mind up as to whether that's ok these days... Whining about cancel culture is just as bad as those who take offence at things that most people would consider harmless. I think most people recognise this and just try to muddle along in the middle somewhere. That said, there are some daft ideas out there. I saw Russell T Davies say yesterday that only gay people should play gay roles! While I get that blacking up is a bit stupid and insensitive when there are plenty of black actors out there, this is a bit silly. Isn't the whole point of acting a role, pretending to be that person?! What next, Sir Anthony Hopkins shouldn't have played Hannibal Lecter because he wasn't an actual serial killer  Point one - It is Point two - There isn’t Point three - Comedy tastes have changed because of and only because of cancel culture Point four - Obviously I agree, where will it end? Can a gay man play a straight man? Can Spider-Man be black for a change? Can The bloody Ghostbusters be women? After all it’s just fiction, who cares what race or sex they are🤷🏻♂️ |
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Post by zerps on Jan 13, 2021 17:25:33 GMT
I don't think that's the case at all and is a bit of an over-reaction. There are plenty of comedy shows on the tv which manage to be funny without anyone getting particularly upset or offended. And there are plenty of live stand-ups who sail very close to the wind in terms of tastelessness without straying into racism or bigotry or prejudice towards anyone. Comedy tastes change to reflect society. Wasn't that long ago that Bernard Manning would tell jokes about "an Englishman, Irishman and a Paki", or a white actor would brown-up to play an Indian in It Ain't Half Hot, Mum, neither of which would be considered acceptable these days. And fair enough. Likewise, I think most people always realised that Alf Garnett was the butt of the joke - there is a long tradition of the 'grotesque' in comedy, and he was fulfilling this role in this particular programme - but some of his language, regularly referring to coons and Pakis and the like, well, you can make your own mind up as to whether that's ok these days... Whining about cancel culture is just as bad as those who take offence at things that most people would consider harmless. I think most people recognise this and just try to muddle along in the middle somewhere. That said, there are some daft ideas out there. I saw Russell T Davies say yesterday that only gay people should play gay roles! While I get that blacking up is a bit stupid and insensitive when there are plenty of black actors out there, this is a bit silly. Isn't the whole point of acting a role, pretending to be that person?! What next, Sir Anthony Hopkins shouldn't have played Hannibal Lecter because he wasn't an actual serial killer Point one - It is Point two - There isn’t Point three - Comedy tastes have changed because of and only because of cancel culture Point four - Obviously I agree, where will it end? Can a gay man play a straight man? Can Spider-Man be black for a change? Can The bloody Ghostbusters be women? After all it’s just fiction, who cares what race or sex they are🤷🏻♂️ It’s the Chinese I feel sorry for. Great bunch of lads 👍 |
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jan 13, 2021 17:26:29 GMT
I don't think that's the case at all and is a bit of an over-reaction. There are plenty of comedy shows on the tv which manage to be funny without anyone getting particularly upset or offended. And there are plenty of live stand-ups who sail very close to the wind in terms of tastelessness without straying into racism or bigotry or prejudice towards anyone. Comedy tastes change to reflect society. Wasn't that long ago that Bernard Manning would tell jokes about "an Englishman, Irishman and a Paki", or a white actor would brown-up to play an Indian in It Ain't Half Hot, Mum, neither of which would be considered acceptable these days. And fair enough. Likewise, I think most people always realised that Alf Garnett was the butt of the joke - there is a long tradition of the 'grotesque' in comedy, and he was fulfilling this role in this particular programme - but some of his language, regularly referring to coons and Pakis and the like, well, you can make your own mind up as to whether that's ok these days... Whining about cancel culture is just as bad as those who take offence at things that most people would consider harmless. I think most people recognise this and just try to muddle along in the middle somewhere. That said, there are some daft ideas out there. I saw Russell T Davies say yesterday that only gay people should play gay roles! While I get that blacking up is a bit stupid and insensitive when there are plenty of black actors out there, this is a bit silly. Isn't the whole point of acting a role, pretending to be that person?! What next, Sir Anthony Hopkins shouldn't have played Hannibal Lecter because he wasn't an actual serial killer Point one - It is Point two - There isn’t Point three - Comedy tastes have changed because of and only because of cancel culture Point four - Obviously I agree, where will it end? Can a gay man play a straight man? Can Spider-Man be black for a change? Can The bloody Ghostbusters be women? After all it’s just fiction, who cares what race or sex they are🤷🏻♂️ Happy to agree to disagree on 1-3! You really think absolutely no-one is funny or finds anything funny for fear of reprisal? Really? And that that's not a tiny bit of an over reaction!? You're clearly not watching the right stuff, give Mrs Browns Boys a swerve  |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jan 13, 2021 17:27:04 GMT
I don't think that's the case at all and is a bit of an over-reaction. There are plenty of comedy shows on the tv which manage to be funny without anyone getting particularly upset or offended. And there are plenty of live stand-ups who sail very close to the wind in terms of tastelessness without straying into racism or bigotry or prejudice towards anyone. Comedy tastes change to reflect society. Wasn't that long ago that Bernard Manning would tell jokes about "an Englishman, Irishman and a Paki", or a white actor would brown-up to play an Indian in It Ain't Half Hot, Mum, neither of which would be considered acceptable these days. And fair enough. Likewise, I think most people always realised that Alf Garnett was the butt of the joke - there is a long tradition of the 'grotesque' in comedy, and he was fulfilling this role in this particular programme - but some of his language, regularly referring to coons and Pakis and the like, well, you can make your own mind up as to whether that's ok these days... Whining about cancel culture is just as bad as those who take offence at things that most people would consider harmless. I think most people recognise this and just try to muddle along in the middle somewhere. That said, there are some daft ideas out there. I saw Russell T Davies say yesterday that only gay people should play gay roles! While I get that blacking up is a bit stupid and insensitive when there are plenty of black actors out there, this is a bit silly. Isn't the whole point of acting a role, pretending to be that person?! What next, Sir Anthony Hopkins shouldn't have played Hannibal Lecter because he wasn't an actual serial killer Point one - It is Point two - There isn’t Point three - Comedy tastes have changed because of and only because of cancel culture Point four - Obviously I agree, where will it end? Can a gay man play a straight man? Can Spider-Man be black for a change? Can The bloody Ghostbusters be women? After all it’s just fiction, who cares what race or sex they are🤷🏻♂️ Sorry, point one and two are based on your first paragraph 😀 |
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Post by maninasuitcase on Jan 13, 2021 17:36:30 GMT
Nobody has a sense of humour anymore. Their first instinct is to take offence where they used to find humour in something. Everything is taken literally. They take themselves seriously too. I’m sure this wasn’t the case a few years ago. It’s great for winding people up but the world is definitely fucked. Never mind 😂 This is the problem. No one is funny or finds anything funny now for fear of reprisal. I’ll just carry on as before, fuck everyone else mate👍🏻 Just me, you and Zerps then mate, down the pub for a bit of humour and a pint or three. No one else has to come in case they get offended by our chat 😉😉🍻 |
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Post by thevoid on Jan 13, 2021 17:38:20 GMT
There are gammons on both sides. Some people get triggered because of a couple of lesbians in an advert, others get triggered because a film or series made years ago doesn't resemble Brick Lane.
Two sides of the same coin.
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Post by zerps on Jan 13, 2021 17:41:11 GMT
There are gammons on both sides. Some people get triggered because of a couple of lesbians in an advert, others get triggered because a film or series made years ago doesn't resemble Brick Lane. Two sides of the same coin. I love a vintage lesbian film, for balance |
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Jan 13, 2021 18:30:16 GMT
This is the problem. No one is funny or finds anything funny now for fear of reprisal. I’ll just carry on as before, fuck everyone else mate👍🏻 I don't think that's the case at all and is a bit of an over-reaction. There are plenty of comedy shows on the tv which manage to be funny without anyone getting particularly upset or offended. And there are plenty of live stand-ups who sail very close to the wind in terms of tastelessness without straying into racism or bigotry or prejudice towards anyone. Comedy tastes change to reflect society. Wasn't that long ago that Bernard Manning would tell jokes about "an Englishman, Irishman and a Paki", or a white actor would brown-up to play an Indian in It Ain't Half Hot, Mum, neither of which would be considered acceptable these days. And fair enough. Likewise, I think most people always realised that Alf Garnett was the butt of the joke - there is a long tradition of the 'grotesque' in comedy, and he was fulfilling this role in this particular programme - but some of his language, regularly referring to coons and Pakis and the like, well, you can make your own mind up as to whether that's ok these days... Whining about cancel culture is just as bad as those who take offence at things that most people would consider harmless. I think most people recognise this and just try to muddle along in the middle somewhere. That said, there are some daft ideas out there. I saw Russell T Davies say yesterday that only gay people should play gay roles! While I get that blacking up is a bit stupid and insensitive when there are plenty of black actors out there, this is a bit silly. Isn't the whole point of acting a role, pretending to be that person?! What next, Sir Anthony Hopkins shouldn't have played Hannibal Lecter because he wasn't an actual serial killer But you shouldn't have to "settle" for second best, sterile comedy that doesn't offend. Why shouldn't comedy be allowed to offend the fuck out of people? Comedy has been that way for thousands so why do we have to change something that works, just because it offends some overly sensitive losers? Here's a thought... Imagine how unfunny the Inbetweeners would be if they created the series under the agreement that they would not offend? It wouldn't even be comedy. |
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Post by thevoid on Jan 13, 2021 18:48:21 GMT
Nobody has a sense of humour anymore. Their first instinct is to take offence where they used to find humour in something. Everything is taken literally. They take themselves seriously too. I’m sure this wasn’t the case a few years ago. It’s great for winding people up but the world is definitely fucked. Never mind 😂 It's the same with 'cultural appropriation' and some people getting into a tizz over, as a recent example, Adele having cornrows and a Jamaican flag bikini- why does everything have to be seen as a negative and an affront? Why not see it as what it is- cultural appreciation? When David Lammy's sounding like the voice of reason over this incident, it's time to have a word with yourself! On the flip side, has anyone sane and well-adjusted gotten worked up over Beyonce dying her hair blonde, or Chris Eubank dressing like a country gent? I'd put my money all on 'no' 😆 Going back to films/tv shows, as others have said, with Love Thy Neighbour and Alf Garnett the joke is on the bigots and you cringe when they speak- just like the Harry Enfield gay son/awkward dad sketches, which I'm pleasantly surprised to see haven't had the chop. Yet. Recently we've had Little Britain, the one set in an airport they did and League of Gentlemen removed from schedules. The irony is that most of the characters in these shows were grotesque caricatures of white people too. I'm guessing League was banned because of the Papa Lazirou "Hello Dave" character- personally, I didn't think he was black anyway. I always saw him as a Pennywise/Babadook character and a lot of what Pemberton, Gattis and Shearsmith write is based on horror. Still, who needs clever, challenging comedy when you have insipid rubbish like Miranda or Not Going Out? 🤷♂️ On an unrelated note, Twitter is a nest of c*nts 😎 |
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Post by crapslinger on Jan 13, 2021 18:53:14 GMT
This is the problem. No one is funny or finds anything funny now for fear of reprisal. I’ll just carry on as before, fuck everyone else mate👍🏻 I don't think that's the case at all and is a bit of an over-reaction. There are plenty of comedy shows on the tv which manage to be funny without anyone getting particularly upset or offended. And there are plenty of live stand-ups who sail very close to the wind in terms of tastelessness without straying into racism or bigotry or prejudice towards anyone. Comedy tastes change to reflect society. Wasn't that long ago that Bernard Manning would tell jokes about "an Englishman, Irishman and a Paki", or a white actor would brown-up to play an Indian in It Ain't Half Hot, Mum, neither of which would be considered acceptable these days. And fair enough. Likewise, I think most people always realised that Alf Garnett was the butt of the joke - there is a long tradition of the 'grotesque' in comedy, and he was fulfilling this role in this particular programme - but some of his language, regularly referring to coons and Pakis and the like, well, you can make your own mind up as to whether that's ok these days... Whining about cancel culture is just as bad as those who take offence at things that most people would consider harmless. I think most people recognise this and just try to muddle along in the middle somewhere. That said, there are some daft ideas out there. I saw Russell T Davies say yesterday that only gay people should play gay roles! While I get that blacking up is a bit stupid and insensitive when there are plenty of black actors out there, this is a bit silly. Isn't the whole point of acting a role, pretending to be that person?! What next, Sir Anthony Hopkins shouldn't have played Hannibal Lecter because he wasn't an actual serial killer Did you think the lovely Sasha saying coons was acceptable ? |
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Jan 13, 2021 18:58:33 GMT
Nobody has a sense of humour anymore. Their first instinct is to take offence where they used to find humour in something. Everything is taken literally. They take themselves seriously too. I’m sure this wasn’t the case a few years ago. It’s great for winding people up but the world is definitely fucked. Never mind 😂 It's the same with 'cultural appropriation' and some people getting into a tizz over, as a recent example, Adele having cornrows and a Jamaican flag bikini- why does everything have to be seen as a negative and an affront? Why not see it as what it is- cultural appreciation? When David Lammy's sounding like the voice of reason over this incident, it's time to have a word with yourself! On the flip side, has anyone sane and well-adjusted gotten worked up over Beyonce dying her hair blonde, or Chris Eubank dressing like a country gent? I'd put my money all on 'no' 😆 Going back to films/tv shows, as others have said, with Love Thy Neighbour and Alf Garnett the joke is on the bigots and you cringe when they speak- just like the Harry Enfield gay son/awkward dad sketches, which I'm pleasantly surprised to see haven't had the chop. Yet. Recently we've had Little Britain, the one set in an airport they did and League of Gentlemen removed from schedules. The irony is that most of the characters in these shows were grotesque caricatures of white people too. I'm guessing League was banned because of the Papa Lazirou "Hello Dave" character- personally, didn't think he was black anyway. I always saw him as a Pennywise/Babadook character and a lot of what Pemberton, Gattis and Shearsmith write is based on horror fiction. Still, who needs clever, challenging comedy when you have inspid rubbish like Miranda or Not Going Out? 🤷♂️ On an unrelated note, Twitter is a nest of c*nts 😎 Absolutely. The pro censorship, pro cancel culture brigade are an angry bitter mob on a witch hunt and will do whatever they possibly can to recreate comedy in a way that suits their sterile, identity politics ridden agenda. |
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Post by maninasuitcase on Jan 13, 2021 19:01:54 GMT
Nobody has a sense of humour anymore. Their first instinct is to take offence where they used to find humour in something. Everything is taken literally. They take themselves seriously too. I’m sure this wasn’t the case a few years ago. It’s great for winding people up but the world is definitely fucked. Never mind 😂 It's the same with 'cultural appropriation' and some people getting into a tizz over, as a recent example, Adele having cornrows and a Jamaican flag bikini- why does everything have to be seen as a negative and an affront? Why not see it as what it is- cultural appreciation? When David Lammy's sounding like the voice of reason over this incident, it's time to have a word with yourself! On the flip side, has anyone sane and well-adjusted gotten worked up over Beyonce dying her hair blonde, or Chris Eubank dressing like a country gent? I'd put my money all on 'no' 😆 Going back to films/tv shows, as others have said, with Love Thy Neighbour and Alf Garnett the joke is on the bigots and you cringe when they speak- just like the Harry Enfield gay son/awkward dad sketches, which I'm pleasantly surprised to see haven't had the chop. Yet. Recently we've had Little Britain, the one set in an airport they did and League of Gentlemen removed from schedules. The irony is that most of the characters in these shows were grotesque caricatures of white people too. I'm guessing League was banned because of the Papa Lazirou "Hello Dave" character- personally, didn't think he was black anyway. I always saw him as a Pennywise/Babadook character and a lot of what Pemberton, Gattis and Shearsmith write is based on horror. Still, who needs clever, challenging comedy when you have inspid rubbish like Miranda or Not Going Out? 🤷♂️ On an unrelated note, Twitter is a nest of c*nts 😎 Welcome to the pub group Voidy. 🍻😉 |
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Post by thevoid on Jan 13, 2021 19:09:07 GMT
It's the same with 'cultural appropriation' and some people getting into a tizz over, as a recent example, Adele having cornrows and a Jamaican flag bikini- why does everything have to be seen as a negative and an affront? Why not see it as what it is- cultural appreciation? When David Lammy's sounding like the voice of reason over this incident, it's time to have a word with yourself! On the flip side, has anyone sane and well-adjusted gotten worked up over Beyonce dying her hair blonde, or Chris Eubank dressing like a country gent? I'd put my money all on 'no' 😆 Going back to films/tv shows, as others have said, with Love Thy Neighbour and Alf Garnett the joke is on the bigots and you cringe when they speak- just like the Harry Enfield gay son/awkward dad sketches, which I'm pleasantly surprised to see haven't had the chop. Yet. Recently we've had Little Britain, the one set in an airport they did and League of Gentlemen removed from schedules. The irony is that most of the characters in these shows were grotesque caricatures of white people too. I'm guessing League was banned because of the Papa Lazirou "Hello Dave" character- personally, didn't think he was black anyway. I always saw him as a Pennywise/Babadook character and a lot of what Pemberton, Gattis and Shearsmith write is based on horror. Still, who needs clever, challenging comedy when you have inspid rubbish like Miranda or Not Going Out? 🤷♂️ On an unrelated note, Twitter is a nest of c*nts 😎 Welcome to the pub group Voidy. 🍻😉 Who's buying? Mine's a Staropramen 👍🍺 |
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Post by Chewbacca the Wookie on Jan 13, 2021 19:11:11 GMT
It is now fair to say we are living in an age and a society of absolute mass censorship and "Cancel Culture", driven by big corporates, the elites, mainstream media and of course, the most powerful social media platforms in the world. By the day, this crisis in the Western World worsens. In the past 72 hours we've seen the US president banned from Facebook and Twitter for allegedly inciting violence. The hugely questionable evidence for his incitement of violence aside, these social media platforms continue to allow the likes of the Iranian Supreme Leader and members of the Chinese Communist Party to roam freely - the latter currently operates Nazi Germany esc concentration camps for Uyghur Muslims and minority groups who question the state. In these camps there is a genocide taking place, organ harvesting, slavery and rape amongst many other atrocities. Ali Khamenei has massacred his opposition for decades. YouTube are sending out propaganda adverts from Azerbaijani government - the same government that is currently breaking pretty much every human rights law known to man. I could go on all day. But no - they choose to cancel Trump. Only last week we saw the UK's fastest growing radio station (fastest growing for a reason) talkradio suspended from YouTube for questioning lockdown. Talkradio has become (along with Maajid Nawaz on LBC), more or less, the only media outlet in the UK that has consistently questioned blanket lockdowns and highlighted the long lasting damage they are doing to both the economy and mental health. So the big tech social media platforms tried to cancel them. We saw at the weekend, Nottingham Forest striker Lyle Taylor stun the footballing world yet again by refusing to bow down to the new infamous conformity of the BLM movement. Taylor did numerous press interviews following the event describing BLM as "scandalous" and goes onto describe the insanity around how society has become so politically correct and sensitive. Just a few weeks ago the BBC and Sky were rife with main headlines around racist Millwall fans booing taking the knee. Meanwhile, Lyle Taylor's actions haven't been mentioned by either. Why do the BBC and Sky not want to shout about a young, smart, educated footballer going against BLM? Because it goes against their sick agenda. We all know, there are few individuals the New illiberal Left despise more than a black Conservative. Last year we saw the quite astounding censoring and cancelling of the legendary J.K Rowling because she dared to suggest there are differences between men and women. The horrifying response of the social media platforms and elites cannot be underestimated. We've seen the banning of TV shows and comedy in the form of Little Britain and Blackadder. Legendary figures like Rowen Atkinson have thankfully spoken out about the completely, crazed, insanity surrounding the censoring of these programmes because they may "offend". Comedy is meant to offend. We've even now seen large scale "snitching" rear its ugly head for the first time since the Second World War during this pandemic. Pond life anoraks are snitching on their neighbours for having a friend round, or for sneaking off for their second walk of the day. You only have to read the Coronavirus thread on the oatcake to see the "Look at me, I'm a better lockdowner than you, you're evil for going for a walk in the park" type attitude. I could go all night with examples. What the fuck is happening to Western society? You call this sterile, totalitarian, undemocratic, pro censorship bullshit progressive? Even Western governments are now buying into the idea of censorship and Cancel Culture. Its totally terrifying. Brilliant post mate. Taylor has really impressed me with his stance. He’s clearly got some guts. |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jan 13, 2021 19:12:03 GMT
Welcome to the pub group Voidy. 🍻😉 Who's buying? Mine's a Staropramen 👍🍺 maninasuitcase👀 |
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Post by thevoid on Jan 13, 2021 19:29:51 GMT
It is now fair to say we are living in an age and a society of absolute mass censorship and "Cancel Culture", driven by big corporates, the elites, mainstream media and of course, the most powerful social media platforms in the world. By the day, this crisis in the Western World worsens. In the past 72 hours we've seen the US president banned from Facebook and Twitter for allegedly inciting violence. The hugely questionable evidence for his incitement of violence aside, these social media platforms continue to allow the likes of the Iranian Supreme Leader and members of the Chinese Communist Party to roam freely - the latter currently operates Nazi Germany esc concentration camps for Uyghur Muslims and minority groups who question the state. In these camps there is a genocide taking place, organ harvesting, slavery and rape amongst many other atrocities. Ali Khamenei has massacred his opposition for decades. YouTube are sending out propaganda adverts from Azerbaijani government - the same government that is currently breaking pretty much every human rights law known to man. I could go on all day. But no - they choose to cancel Trump. Only last week we saw the UK's fastest growing radio station (fastest growing for a reason) talkradio suspended from YouTube for questioning lockdown. Talkradio has become (along with Maajid Nawaz on LBC), more or less, the only media outlet in the UK that has consistently questioned blanket lockdowns and highlighted the long lasting damage they are doing to both the economy and mental health. So the big tech social media platforms tried to cancel them. We saw at the weekend, Nottingham Forest striker Lyle Taylor stun the footballing world yet again by refusing to bow down to the new infamous conformity of the BLM movement. Taylor did numerous press interviews following the event describing BLM as "scandalous" and goes onto describe the insanity around how society has become so politically correct and sensitive. Just a few weeks ago the BBC and Sky were rife with main headlines around racist Millwall fans booing taking the knee. Meanwhile, Lyle Taylor's actions haven't been mentioned by either. Why do the BBC and Sky not want to shout about a young, smart, educated footballer going against BLM? Because it goes against their sick agenda. We all know, there are few individuals the New illiberal Left despise more than a black Conservative. Last year we saw the quite astounding censoring and cancelling of the legendary J.K Rowling because she dared to suggest there are differences between men and women. The horrifying response of the social media platforms and elites cannot be underestimated. We've seen the banning of TV shows and comedy in the form of Little Britain and Blackadder. Legendary figures like Rowen Atkinson have thankfully spoken out about the completely, crazed, insanity surrounding the censoring of these programmes because they may "offend". Comedy is meant to offend. We've even now seen large scale "snitching" rear its ugly head for the first time since the Second World War during this pandemic. Pond life anoraks are snitching on their neighbours for having a friend round, or for sneaking off for their second walk of the day. You only have to read the Coronavirus thread on the oatcake to see the "Look at me, I'm a better lockdowner than you, you're evil for going for a walk in the park" type attitude. I could go all night with examples. What the fuck is happening to Western society? You call this sterile, totalitarian, undemocratic, pro censorship bullshit progressive? Even Western governments are now buying into the idea of censorship and Cancel Culture. Its totally terrifying. Brilliant post mate. Taylor has really impressed me with his stance. He’s clearly got some guts. I'm sure he'll have a few fanatics thinking he's a 'c**n' or a 'choc ice' |
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jan 13, 2021 19:41:47 GMT
I don't think that's the case at all and is a bit of an over-reaction. There are plenty of comedy shows on the tv which manage to be funny without anyone getting particularly upset or offended. And there are plenty of live stand-ups who sail very close to the wind in terms of tastelessness without straying into racism or bigotry or prejudice towards anyone. Comedy tastes change to reflect society. Wasn't that long ago that Bernard Manning would tell jokes about "an Englishman, Irishman and a Paki", or a white actor would brown-up to play an Indian in It Ain't Half Hot, Mum, neither of which would be considered acceptable these days. And fair enough. Likewise, I think most people always realised that Alf Garnett was the butt of the joke - there is a long tradition of the 'grotesque' in comedy, and he was fulfilling this role in this particular programme - but some of his language, regularly referring to coons and Pakis and the like, well, you can make your own mind up as to whether that's ok these days... Whining about cancel culture is just as bad as those who take offence at things that most people would consider harmless. I think most people recognise this and just try to muddle along in the middle somewhere. That said, there are some daft ideas out there. I saw Russell T Davies say yesterday that only gay people should play gay roles! While I get that blacking up is a bit stupid and insensitive when there are plenty of black actors out there, this is a bit silly. Isn't the whole point of acting a role, pretending to be that person?! What next, Sir Anthony Hopkins shouldn't have played Hannibal Lecter because he wasn't an actual serial killer But you shouldn't have to "settle" for second best, sterile comedy that doesn't offend. Why shouldn't comedy be allowed to offend the fuck out of people? Comedy has been that way for thousands so why do we have to change something that works, just because it offends some overly sensitive losers? Here's a thought... Imagine how unfunny the Inbetweeners would be if they created the series under the agreement that they would not offend? It wouldn't even be comedy. I'm not sure that if you find comedy about coons, Pakis, niggers etc offensive that it makes you an oversensitive loser Similarly, if you object to any attempt at fun which might mention, for want of a better example, a gay person, even if its entirely within context, then you probably are an oversensitive loser! As I indicated in my original response, there is a sensible middle ground which isn't actually that hard to find without losing any of the humour. Plenty of comics on tv every day of the week doing just that. Hyperbole and over-reaction on both sides are just as lamentable. To say that no-one is funny or finds anything funny for fear of reprisal is hyperbolic nonsense. Nor is all comedy sterile and dull. Clearly, there are dozens of tv comedy shows and live acts who are funny and people do laugh at. That's palpably the case. And many of the live ones are offensive - I went to see Jerry Sadowitz a short while back, it didn't offend me in the slightest, but it was about as 'dodgy' as it gets! To try to claim all comedy is sterile, no-one is funny and everyone is scared to laugh is just as bad as the whining from the other end of the scale! |
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Jan 13, 2021 19:48:31 GMT
But you shouldn't have to "settle" for second best, sterile comedy that doesn't offend. Why shouldn't comedy be allowed to offend the fuck out of people? Comedy has been that way for thousands so why do we have to change something that works, just because it offends some overly sensitive losers? Here's a thought... Imagine how unfunny the Inbetweeners would be if they created the series under the agreement that they would not offend? It wouldn't even be comedy. I'm not sure that if you find comedy about coons, Pakis, niggers etc offensive that it makes you an oversensitive loser Similarly, if you object to any attempt at fun which might mention, for want of a better example, a gay person, even if its entirely within context, then you probably are an oversensitive loser! As I indicated in my original response, there is a sensible middle ground which isn't actually that hard to find without losing any of the humour. Plenty of comics on tv every day of the week doing just that. Hyperbole and over-reaction on both sides are just as lamentable. To say that no-one is funny or finds anything funny for fear of reprisal is hyperbolic nonsense. Nor is all comedy sterile and dull. Clearly, there are dozens of tv comedy shows and live acts who are funny and people do laugh at. That's palpably the case. And many of the live ones are offensive - I went to see Jerry Sadowitz a short while back, it didn't offend me in the slightest, but it was about as 'dodgy' as it gets! To try to claim all comedy is sterile, no-one is funny and everyone is scared to laugh is just as bad as the whining from the other end of the scale! Let's be honest though, comedy which reference "niggers", "coons" and "pakis" amounts to about 0.0001% of British comedy of the past 50 years. I do agree everyone has a different threshold but my view is simple, if one finds it offensive then don't watch it. Do you think Billy Connolly crosses the line with his Jihadist sketches? Many would want his head on a stick for blasphemy for that stuff (quite literally as we saw with Charlie Hebdo). Others would say he's a prophet of free speech. |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jan 13, 2021 19:48:58 GMT
But you shouldn't have to "settle" for second best, sterile comedy that doesn't offend. Why shouldn't comedy be allowed to offend the fuck out of people? Comedy has been that way for thousands so why do we have to change something that works, just because it offends some overly sensitive losers? Here's a thought... Imagine how unfunny the Inbetweeners would be if they created the series under the agreement that they would not offend? It wouldn't even be comedy. I'm not sure that if you find comedy about coons, Pakis, niggers etc offensive that it makes you an oversensitive loser Similarly, if you object to any attempt at fun which might mention, for want of a better example, a gay person, even if its entirely within context, then you probably are an oversensitive loser! As I indicated in my original response, there is a sensible middle ground which isn't actually that hard to find without losing any of the humour. Plenty of comics on tv every day of the week doing just that. Hyperbole and over-reaction on both sides are just as lamentable. To say that no-one is funny or finds anything funny for fear of reprisal is hyperbolic nonsense. Nor is all comedy sterile and dull. Clearly, there are dozens of tv comedy shows and live acts who are funny and people do laugh at. That's palpably the case. And many of the live ones are offensive - I went to see Jerry Sadowitz a short while back, it didn't offend me in the slightest, but it was about as 'dodgy' as it gets! To try to claim all comedy is sterile, no-one is funny and everyone is scared to laugh is just as bad as the whining from the other end of the scale! Name a funny TV show |
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Post by crapslinger on Jan 13, 2021 19:51:46 GMT
I don't disagree with any examples of cancel culture, although I'm a bit confused as to what your position is on say the Maitlis piece or the creme egg advert? What are you saying, you don't think they should be banned? Millwall and Colchester fans (and indeed many hundreds of thousands more when stadiums reopen in March) booing the taking of the knee is the complete opposite to censorship and conformity. Why do you think Milwall and Colchester fans booed? Why should they be banned? Because some people didn't like it? Isn't that cancel culture? Trump supporters tried to cancel an election. Are they woke virtue signallers? Are they PC gone mad? It happens in all sections of society. Have they been banned ?? |
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jan 13, 2021 19:52:28 GMT
I'm not sure that if you find comedy about coons, Pakis, niggers etc offensive that it makes you an oversensitive loser Similarly, if you object to any attempt at fun which might mention, for want of a better example, a gay person, even if its entirely within context, then you probably are an oversensitive loser! As I indicated in my original response, there is a sensible middle ground which isn't actually that hard to find without losing any of the humour. Plenty of comics on tv every day of the week doing just that. Hyperbole and over-reaction on both sides are just as lamentable. To say that no-one is funny or finds anything funny for fear of reprisal is hyperbolic nonsense. Nor is all comedy sterile and dull. Clearly, there are dozens of tv comedy shows and live acts who are funny and people do laugh at. That's palpably the case. And many of the live ones are offensive - I went to see Jerry Sadowitz a short while back, it didn't offend me in the slightest, but it was about as 'dodgy' as it gets! To try to claim all comedy is sterile, no-one is funny and everyone is scared to laugh is just as bad as the whining from the other end of the scale! Name a funny TV show Why? If I do, you'll just deny that any of them are, purely to prove a point! |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jan 13, 2021 19:54:29 GMT
Why? If I do, you'll just deny that any of them are, purely to prove a point! I won’t honest............😏 |
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Post by zerps on Jan 13, 2021 19:55:11 GMT
I'm not sure that if you find comedy about coons, Pakis, niggers etc offensive that it makes you an oversensitive loser Similarly, if you object to any attempt at fun which might mention, for want of a better example, a gay person, even if its entirely within context, then you probably are an oversensitive loser! As I indicated in my original response, there is a sensible middle ground which isn't actually that hard to find without losing any of the humour. Plenty of comics on tv every day of the week doing just that. Hyperbole and over-reaction on both sides are just as lamentable. To say that no-one is funny or finds anything funny for fear of reprisal is hyperbolic nonsense. Nor is all comedy sterile and dull. Clearly, there are dozens of tv comedy shows and live acts who are funny and people do laugh at. That's palpably the case. And many of the live ones are offensive - I went to see Jerry Sadowitz a short while back, it didn't offend me in the slightest, but it was about as 'dodgy' as it gets! To try to claim all comedy is sterile, no-one is funny and everyone is scared to laugh is just as bad as the whining from the other end of the scale! Let's be honest though, comedy which reference "niggers", "coons" and "pakis" amounts to about 0.0001% of British comedy of the past 50 years. I do agree everyone has a different threshold but my view is simple, if one finds it offensive then don't watch it. Do you think Billy Connolly crosses the line with his Jihadist sketches? Many would want his head on a stick for blasphemy for that stuff (quite literally as we saw with Charlie Hebdo). Others would say he's a prophet of free speech. Billy Connolly actually upset christians at one point 😂 It goes back years but the problem now is that social media magnifies everything a million times. |
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Post by Dave the Rave on Jan 13, 2021 19:56:12 GMT
Why should they be banned? Because some people didn't like it? Isn't that cancel culture? Trump supporters tried to cancel an election. Are they woke virtue signallers? Are they PC gone mad? It happens in all sections of society. Have they been banned ?? I'm not aware anything has been 'banned' based on a few snowflakes moaning, has it? |
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Post by lagwafis on Jan 13, 2021 19:56:26 GMT
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Post by Dave the Rave on Jan 13, 2021 19:58:15 GMT
I'm not sure that if you find comedy about coons, Pakis, niggers etc offensive that it makes you an oversensitive loser Similarly, if you object to any attempt at fun which might mention, for want of a better example, a gay person, even if its entirely within context, then you probably are an oversensitive loser! As I indicated in my original response, there is a sensible middle ground which isn't actually that hard to find without losing any of the humour. Plenty of comics on tv every day of the week doing just that. Hyperbole and over-reaction on both sides are just as lamentable. To say that no-one is funny or finds anything funny for fear of reprisal is hyperbolic nonsense. Nor is all comedy sterile and dull. Clearly, there are dozens of tv comedy shows and live acts who are funny and people do laugh at. That's palpably the case. And many of the live ones are offensive - I went to see Jerry Sadowitz a short while back, it didn't offend me in the slightest, but it was about as 'dodgy' as it gets! To try to claim all comedy is sterile, no-one is funny and everyone is scared to laugh is just as bad as the whining from the other end of the scale! Name a funny TV show 8 out of 10 Cats does Countdown Taskmaster Family Guy Vicar of Dibley Keeping up Appearances New stuff, old stuff, all funny. |
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Jan 13, 2021 19:59:06 GMT
Let's be honest though, comedy which reference "niggers", "coons" and "pakis" amounts to about 0.0001% of British comedy of the past 50 years. I do agree everyone has a different threshold but my view is simple, if one finds it offensive then don't watch it. Do you think Billy Connolly crosses the line with his Jihadist sketches? Many would want his head on a stick for blasphemy for that stuff (quite literally as we saw with Charlie Hebdo). Others would say he's a prophet of free speech. Billy Connolly actually upset christians at one point 😂 It goes back years but the problem now is that social media magnifies everything a million times. I genuinely think Connolly would be dead if he continued to do that stuff. Yet it was brilliant!! |
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Post by Dave the Rave on Jan 13, 2021 19:59:22 GMT
Ricky Gervais can also be incredibly offensive but hasn't been cancelled yet.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jan 13, 2021 20:01:09 GMT
8 out of 10 Cats does Countdown Taskmaster Family Guy Vicar of Dibley Keeping up Appearances New stuff, old stuff, all funny. 😏 |
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