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Post by datguy on Jan 17, 2021 13:23:39 GMT
Celtic or Wales.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 17, 2021 13:37:07 GMT
The two real issues around this were; 1) he was sacked 8 months too late anyway. 2) the replacement was about the worst appointment we could have made. Lambert was beyond useless. I agree he was sacked far too late. It was clearly obvious his squad of players was a mess due to awful recruitment and it did appear he had lost interest. I don't quite agree with the Lambert comment as I feel any Manager coming in at that time needed a full 4 windows to try to at least put right the squad and the Owners should have backed Lambert in finding a striker who could have scored a few goals which would have kept is up. I think he had an impossible job. He had the best part of half a season and we were hardly adrift. It wouldn’t have been easy but a better manager could’ve managed it imo. Lambert helped put the last few nails in the coffin.
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Post by J-Roar on Jan 17, 2021 13:45:03 GMT
I agree he was sacked far too late. It was clearly obvious his squad of players was a mess due to awful recruitment and it did appear he had lost interest. I don't quite agree with the Lambert comment as I feel any Manager coming in at that time needed a full 4 windows to try to at least put right the squad and the Owners should have backed Lambert in finding a striker who could have scored a few goals which would have kept is up. I think he had an impossible job. He had the best part of half a season and we were hardly adrift. It wouldn’t have been easy but a better manager could’ve managed it imo. Lambert helped put the last few nails in the coffin. I think it would have been easy. To finish below Huddersfield took some doing.
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Post by FullerMagic on Jan 17, 2021 13:45:47 GMT
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Post by scfcno1fan on Jan 17, 2021 13:47:21 GMT
I can remember the thread on here. Most of us were just completely baffled.
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Post by PotterLog on Jan 17, 2021 15:14:51 GMT
The two real issues around this were; 1) he was sacked 8 months too late anyway. 2) the replacement was about the worst appointment we could have made. Lambert was beyond useless. I agree he was sacked far too late. It was clearly obvious his squad of players was a mess due to awful recruitment and it did appear he had lost interest. I don't quite agree with the Lambert comment as I feel any Manager coming in at that time needed a full 4 windows to try to at least put right the squad and the Owners should have backed Lambert in finding a striker who could have scored a few goals which would have kept is up. I think he had an impossible job. He was as catastrophically awful as we all knew he would be when he came in. It’s only the fact that we appointed a circus clown a year or so later that saves him from being our worst manager in recent living memory. Lambert actually made us worse. Hughes himself would have had a better stab at keeping that team up and by that stage that’s saying something.
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Post by bloodtypered on Jan 17, 2021 15:46:41 GMT
he was a disaster in the end, but we had some of stokes best ever football under him
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Post by realstokebloke on Jan 17, 2021 15:56:24 GMT
Its 100% batshitness was 100% fully appreciated here the second the possibility was abroad.
(Sadly.)
It still gives me shivers.
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Post by dave1 on Jan 17, 2021 16:07:00 GMT
he was a disaster in the end, but we had some of stokes best ever football under him Didn't really achieve anything though, did he. And don't say 3 ninth place finishes, whoopy do. Inherited TP's team and when they started to fall apart so did hughes Complete waste of space that bloke
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2021 18:13:36 GMT
he was a disaster in the end, but we had some of stokes best ever football under him Absolutely. Has a far better record than many still getting decent jobs. Some of the football was fantastic.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 17, 2021 18:18:15 GMT
I can remember where I was when I was told. That’s how big a moment it was for me 😂 The Works in Warrington. Fuming. What a sad day that was. Who the fuck thought appointing Lambert would be a good idea?
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 17, 2021 18:24:49 GMT
he was a disaster in the end, but we had some of stokes best ever football under him Didn't really achieve anything though, did he. And don't say 3 ninth place finishes, whoopy do. Inherited TP's team and when they started to fall apart so did hughes Complete waste of space that bloke Inherited TP's team that was turning to shit, revitalised it and took it to a heights in the league that he couldn't. Whoopy, and indeed, do.
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Post by fraybentos on Jan 17, 2021 18:29:43 GMT
I can imagine him returning to stoke for another go one day, those 9th place finishes in the premier, won’t be beaten and nobody will even get close at stoke
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Post by dave1 on Jan 17, 2021 18:32:19 GMT
Didn't really achieve anything though, did he. And don't say 3 ninth place finishes, whoopy do. Inherited TP's team and when they started to fall apart so did hughes Complete waste of space that bloke Inherited TP's team that was turning to shit, revitalised it and took it to a heights in the league that he couldn't. Whoopy, and indeed, do. OK. Was responsible for our relegation. Never got near Europe or a cup final (but 9th place is a better achievement, wake up pal)
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Post by werrington on Jan 17, 2021 18:34:20 GMT
Inherited TP's team that was turning to shit, revitalised it and took it to a heights in the league that he couldn't. Whoopy, and indeed, do. OK. Was responsible for our relegation. Never got near Europe or a cup final (but 9th place is a better achievement, wake up pal) He got within a penalty shoot out of a cup final after winning at Anfield in the SF You need to jog up on your history
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 17, 2021 18:35:01 GMT
Inherited TP's team that was turning to shit, revitalised it and took it to a heights in the league that he couldn't. Whoopy, and indeed, do. OK. Was responsible for our relegation. Never got near Europe or a cup final (but 9th place is a better achievement, wake up pal) He was a penalty shoot out away from a cup final despite having to negotiate Chelsea and Liverpool. Europe/the cup final aren't two different achievements, they're the same one. One was a result of the other. If ninth is such a non event why couldn't Pulis manage it?
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Post by wagsastokie on Jan 17, 2021 18:39:49 GMT
he was a disaster in the end, but we had some of stokes best ever football under him Didn't really achieve anything though, did he. And don't say 3 ninth place finishes, whoopy do. Inherited TP's team and when they started to fall apart so did hughes Complete waste of space that bloke I’ve never understood why people seem to go crazy over three nine place finishes In my time Stoke have twice come closer to winning the league than a place above half way
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Post by dave1 on Jan 17, 2021 18:39:54 GMT
OK. Was responsible for our relegation. Never got near Europe or a cup final (but 9th place is a better achievement, wake up pal) He got within a penalty shoot out of a cup final after winning at Anfield in the SF You need to jog up on your history Losing a penalty shootout in the semi final or getting knocked out in the second- doesn't really matter- we didn't make the final! No need to jog up on my history- thanks
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Post by dave1 on Jan 17, 2021 18:45:31 GMT
OK. Was responsible for our relegation. Never got near Europe or a cup final (but 9th place is a better achievement, wake up pal) He was a penalty shoot out away from a cup final despite having to negotiate Chelsea and Liverpool. Europe/the cup final aren't two ⁴different achievements, they're the same one. One was a result of the other. If ninth is such a non event why couldn't Pulis manage it? If/when stoke get promoted would you rather finish the dizzy heights of 9th or 12th/13th (or even 4th bottom for that matter) but make a cup final and have Europe next season to look forward too??
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2021 18:47:30 GMT
he was a disaster in the end, but we had some of stokes best ever football under him Didn't really achieve anything though, did he. And don't say 3 ninth place finishes, whoopy do. Inherited TP's team and when they started to fall apart so did hughes Complete waste of space that bloke Which other manager achieved 3 consecutive top 10 finishes then in our history?
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Post by dave1 on Jan 17, 2021 18:49:27 GMT
Didn't really achieve anything though, did he. And don't say 3 ninth place finishes, whoopy do. Inherited TP's team and when they started to fall apart so did hughes Complete waste of space that bloke I’ve never understood why people seem to go crazy over three nine place finishes In my time Stoke have twice come closer to winning the league than a place above half way Exactly. I'm only mid 30's (closer to 40) but did stoke finish 4th once in the 70's?? Nobody goes on about finishing 4th (and that has a lot more credibility than finishing mid table)
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Post by werrington on Jan 17, 2021 18:50:00 GMT
He got within a penalty shoot out of a cup final after winning at Anfield in the SF You need to jog up on your history Losing a penalty shootout in the semi final or getting knocked out in the second- doesn't really matter- we didn't make the final! No need to jog up on my history- thanks You’ve lost the plot
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Post by heworksardtho on Jan 17, 2021 18:51:15 GMT
Now he’s helping his Mrs and her property empire and living off the millions off all the sackings he’s had why would he want the hassle
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Post by dave1 on Jan 17, 2021 18:51:23 GMT
Didn't really achieve anything though, did he. And don't say 3 ninth place finishes, whoopy do. Inherited TP's team and when they started to fall apart so did hughes Complete waste of space that bloke Which other manager achieved 3 consecutive top 10 finishes then in our history? He wouldn't have achieved anything if he hadn't have inherited TP's team
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 17, 2021 18:51:33 GMT
He was a penalty shoot out away from a cup final despite having to negotiate Chelsea and Liverpool. Europe/the cup final aren't two ⁴different achievements, they're the same one. One was a result of the other. If ninth is such a non event why couldn't Pulis manage it? If/when stoke get promoted would you rather finish the dizzy heights of 9th or 12th/13th (or even 4th bottom for that matter) but make a cup final and have Europe next season to look forward too?? It would depend on the circumstances really. The cup final was a great achievement but that doesn’t mean finishing ninth isn’t. I’ll ask again because you’re ducking this - if ninth is a lame non achievement, why couldn’t Pulis manage it?
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Post by wagsastokie on Jan 17, 2021 18:55:53 GMT
I’ve never understood why people seem to go crazy over three nine place finishes In my time Stoke have twice come closer to winning the league than a place above half way Exactly. I'm only mid 30's (closer to 40) but did stoke finish 4th once in the 70's?? Nobody goes on about finishing 4th (and that has a lot more credibility than finishing mid table) 73/74 5th 74/75 5th four points off the top
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Post by dave1 on Jan 17, 2021 18:55:54 GMT
Losing a penalty shootout in the semi final or getting knocked out in the second- doesn't really matter- we didn't make the final! No need to jog up on my history- thanks You’ve lost the plot Not really
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Post by Davef on Jan 17, 2021 19:08:56 GMT
I suppose you think we'd have made the FA Cup Final had we drawn either of the Manchester clubs as well don't you?
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Post by onefatcopper on Jan 17, 2021 19:10:02 GMT
Didn't really achieve anything though, did he. And don't say 3 ninth place finishes, whoopy do. Inherited TP's team and when they started to fall apart so did hughes Complete waste of space that bloke Which other manager achieved 3 consecutive top 10 finishes then in our history? Which other manager blew £18+million for a fat useless central defender that we didn’t need, and still have on the payroll whilst also paying a King’s ransom for the loan of another central defender? And that’s just two examples of his dealings at the beginning of the end, and I know about three ninth places, that’s 1 better than 10th and 1 worse than 8th on three consecutive occasions.
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Post by onefatcopper on Jan 17, 2021 19:12:21 GMT
Exactly. I'm only mid 30's (closer to 40) but did stoke finish 4th once in the 70's?? Nobody goes on about finishing 4th (and that has a lot more credibility than finishing mid table) 73/74 5th 74/75 5th four points off the top And don’t forget about the broken legs.
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