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Post by Old School Stokie on Dec 21, 2020 12:18:40 GMT
Look at the players we got rid of on his watch and look at the players brought in - by the end of his reign. He could not man manage that has been well documented. He has to have had the final say in the departure of Huth which was the start of SToke's downfall - he ripped the well known steely heart out of the club and replaced it with rubbish mercenaries. Fell out with Arny in the end. His high point was using the solidity that he inherited with a couple of flair players but the those flair players became a liability when the heart of the team went or like shawscross got injured. He should not manage again and WILL fail if he does
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 21, 2020 12:27:23 GMT
Look at the players we got rid of on his watch and look at the players brought in - by the end of his reign. He could not man manage that has been well documented. He has to have had the final say in the departure of Huth which was the start of SToke's downfall - he ripped the well known steely heart out of the club and replaced it with rubbish mercenaries. Fell out with Arny in the end. His high point was using the solidity that he inherited with a couple of flair players but the those flair players became a liability when the heart of the team went or like shawscross got injured. He should not manage again and WILL fail if he does 1) Huth left in his first season, which ended up being our highest league finish for 40 years. 2) He 'fell out with Arnie' because Arnie was a mercenary bastard who wanted to walk away a year after signing a new contract. 3) Which of those flair players 'became a liability'? 4) The 'solidity he inherited' (also, coincidentally, the team that conceded three at Swansea and three at home to a dreadful Villa side the previous spring in the midst of a really poor, prolonged run of bad results and performances) plus a couple of flair players - sounds incredibly simple yet his predecessor couldn't manage it, what's that about? There's dozens of reasons not to like Hughes without rewriting history. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2020 12:31:42 GMT
Honestly if he had a competent transfer team and wasn't spending the money himself he'd do alright somewhere. He's a reasonable man manager, and when he stuck to a simple 4-2-3-1 we could get by on recruitment and do alright. Webby, I think he was a very good footballing manager but all the stories coming out of Stoke City suggest that he is actually a very poor 'man' manager and ducked away from any sort of 'conflict'. I do feel that his inability to hold the dressing room together is what led to his, and our, demise Suppose there are different types of man managers, did wonders for Bojan, N'Zonzi and got Arnie firing to be fair. |
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Post by lawrieleslie on Dec 21, 2020 12:32:00 GMT
Would he drop down a division? I don't think so, so I think he's finished. If the money is right he’ll drop down............ "So what attracted you to the £5m a year coaching job at Watford Mark?" |
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Post by reddipotter on Dec 21, 2020 12:38:38 GMT
He should. He should find a club with money to spend and something to build on - like when he came to Stoke. He attracts players. Make no mistake. Shaq, Afellay, Bojan, Arnautovic, Etc - they came to stoke because of Hughes. I know the haters will now bring up Wimmer and Imbula, etc - but he’s not the only person signing players. But he did play a part in attracting players: both the right players and the wrong players. Jese was the wrong player but we didn’t think that at the time. He’s a good manager. Had us beating Chelsea, MUFC, Arsenal, MCFC, etc. Bad managers don’t do that with a club of our size. So to answer the OP, yes he should if it’s the right club. Not a rescue job (like at Soton) but a building job (like he had at MCFC and Stoke). He’s more than qualified and more than good enough for that task. I agree that his name helped to attract some good players, but building a side was exactly what he couldn’t do. He added mercenaries to a strong core that was left to him but when the players he inherited aged or were sold, it all fell apart very quickly. |
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Post by staffordstokiemad1 on Dec 21, 2020 12:41:03 GMT
He was a good manager who delivered some fantastic football but he stayed here a bit beyond his sell by date. That wasn't his fault though that was a dithering board's fault. Obviously he made some questionable decisions around transfers late on and perhaps if he had been sacked sooner his legacy here would have been a bit better. Agreed 🙌 |
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 21, 2020 12:46:13 GMT
He should. He should find a club with money to spend and something to build on - like when he came to Stoke. He attracts players. Make no mistake. Shaq, Afellay, Bojan, Arnautovic, Etc - they came to stoke because of Hughes. I know the haters will now bring up Wimmer and Imbula, etc - but he’s not the only person signing players. But he did play a part in attracting players: both the right players and the wrong players. Jese was the wrong player but we didn’t think that at the time. He’s a good manager. Had us beating Chelsea, MUFC, Arsenal, MCFC, etc. Bad managers don’t do that with a club of our size. So to answer the OP, yes he should if it’s the right club. Not a rescue job (like at Soton) but a building job (like he had at MCFC and Stoke). He’s more than qualified and more than good enough for that task. I agree that his name helped to attract some good players, but building a side was exactly what he couldn’t do. He added mercenaries to a strong core that was left to him but when the players he inherited aged or were sold, it all fell apart very quickly. A 'strong core' that failed to win all but three games after Boxing Day the previous season... |
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Post by scfc75 on Dec 21, 2020 13:01:01 GMT
If I see “he was lucky he inherited a strong Pulis side” one more time I’m going to fucking scream.
Pulis’ last season started poorly, we then went on a good run of 9 unbeaten which ended with that excellent 3-1 win v Liverpool on Boxing Day. Then the wheels fell off.
The second half of that season:
We conceded 3 or more goals 5 times (3 of those games at home, including an appalling performance v Villa).
We kept only 3 clean sheets
We only won 3 times (W3, D5, L11)
We failed to score in 8 of those 19 games
We finished that season with our lowest ever Premier League points total of 42. 3pts less and we’d have been fighting with Sunderland for 17th.
Please stop peddling this nonsense. He inherited an ok, established Premier League side that was regressing and needed some new impetus. Hughes did a good job for a couple of years, then, like his predecessor, lost his way and needed removing if he couldn’t arrest the slide. Sadly we acted too late in Hughes’ case.
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Post by hardcastle on Dec 21, 2020 13:28:42 GMT
I think we can probably agree that TP was moved on at the right time (after that awful last four months), but is it not possible to review the records of both Hughes or Pulis without the haters coming out in force. After all, they're surely our two most successful managers since Waddo (putting aside Lou's record here, albeit outside the PL).
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Post by marylandstoke on Dec 21, 2020 13:34:46 GMT
Would he drop down a division? I don't think so, so I think he's finished. If the money is right he’ll drop down............ "So what attracted you to the £5m a year coaching job at Watford Mark?" Plus you only have to work a couple of months. Watfords new manager will be luck to see Valentine’s Day. |
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Post by anchorman on Dec 21, 2020 14:59:56 GMT
No
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Post by fullmetaljacket on Dec 21, 2020 17:48:46 GMT
Does he need to manage again.. probably not I would imagine..
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Post by Miles Offside on Dec 21, 2020 18:00:49 GMT
If I see “he was lucky he inherited a strong Pulis side” one more time I’m going to fucking scream. Scream all you like, but he was lucky to inherit what he did from Pulis. Saying otherwise is absolute nonsense. |
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 21, 2020 18:11:58 GMT
If I see “he was lucky he inherited a strong Pulis side” one more time I’m going to fucking scream. Scream all you like, but he was lucky to inherit what he did from Pulis. Saying otherwise is absolute nonsense. What he inherited was a dispirited team who needed three late season wins over the dross to avoid a relegation dogfight we never should’ve been even contemplating. |
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Post by Miles Offside on Dec 21, 2020 18:18:07 GMT
What he inherited was a dispirited team who needed three late season wins over the dross to avoid a relegation dogfight we never should’ve been even contemplating. Hughes inherited a solid squad, well established (against the odds) in the Premier League. To deny that is to try to outstare the sun. Go on, have the last word  |
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 21, 2020 18:22:01 GMT
Hughes inherited a solid squad, well established (against the odds) in the Premier League. To deny that is to try to outstare the sun. Go on, have the last word ‘Against the odds’? By that point the best part of £100m had been lavished on it. He revitalised a squad that had lost its way. If it was so ‘solid’ why was it being dicked by Villa at home? |
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Post by Miles Offside on Dec 21, 2020 18:27:24 GMT
‘Against the odds’? By that point the best part of £100m had been lavished on it. He revitalised a squad that had lost its way. If it was so ‘solid’ why was it being dicked by Villa at home? Choosing to overlook the first season when we were everybody's favourite to go down? Choosing one game? Lavished? How desperate is that? Now you can have the last word, but I won't bother reading it. |
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 21, 2020 18:32:28 GMT
Choosing to overlook the first season when we were everybody's favourite to go down? Choosing one game? Lavished? How desperate is that? Now you can have the last word, but I won't bother reading it. Best you don’t read it as you’re talking absolute rot and I suspect you know it. By 2013 the side was well established and extensively assembled and bore little resemblance to the one that did so well in its first few seasons. The one game is the starkest example but there’s actually plenty to choose from as we failed to win all but three after Boxing Day that year... |
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Post by dave1 on Dec 21, 2020 18:39:53 GMT
This. No. He's fucking shites. Always was, and is, shite Troll off bellend H No troll. Just because I'm not a sheep like you. |
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Post by Turkish Delight on Dec 21, 2020 19:43:08 GMT
Fitness wise, his team in the final 12 months of his tenure here were the worst in the past 20 years at the club.
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Post by bloodtypered on Dec 21, 2020 21:20:33 GMT
He should. He should find a club with money to spend and something to build on - like when he came to Stoke. He attracts players. Make no mistake. Shaq, Afellay, Bojan, Arnautovic, Etc - they came to stoke because of Hughes. I know the haters will now bring up Wimmer and Imbula, etc - but he’s not the only person signing players. But he did play a part in attracting players: both the right players and the wrong players. Jese was the wrong player but we didn’t think that at the time. He’s a good manager. Had us beating Chelsea, MUFC, Arsenal, MCFC, etc. Bad managers don’t do that with a club of our size. So to answer the OP, yes he should if it’s the right club. Not a rescue job (like at Soton) but a building job (like he had at MCFC and Stoke). He’s more than qualified and more than good enough for that task. Yes mark.  |
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Post by RAF on Dec 21, 2020 22:50:45 GMT
No troll. Just because I'm not a sheep like you. Troll off H |
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Post by soccerhq on Dec 21, 2020 23:49:35 GMT
Was apparently the backup option for West Brom if Big Sam didn't want to do it!
Actually thought he'd get back in at Reading when Bowen was down there and took over as caretaker.
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Post by maninasuitcase on Dec 22, 2020 0:02:22 GMT
In response to the title of this thread, does anyone give a shit.
History will show he got 3 ninth place finishes during his tenure, but history will also show he overstayed that tenure by at least 12 months, and the coventry debacle finally got him out.
Am i grateful for those 3 ninth place finishes? Yes
Am i grateful for bojan, arnie and shaq playing some scintillating football? Yes
Was i glad to see the back of Hughes? Without doubt.
As much as i never wanted him at the club, and the fact i never cheered his name, doesn't hide the fact for two years we played some splendid football.
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Post by LGH87 on Dec 22, 2020 8:53:37 GMT
The recency bias with Stoke fans and Hughes is nothing short of a joke. Yes it went tits up in the end but a lot of that lies at the feet of the board for sacking him 18 months too late and also going away from the due diligence we used to carry out on potential transfers.
People are very very quick to forget just how good we were for the best part of three years under Hughes. He took a solid but struggling Pulis side and made us fall in love with the game again. We routinely beat the big boys at home, beating Utd & Chelsea a number of times (something Pulis never managed) whilst also being responsible for probably the best football I will ever see produced from a Stoke side. I genuinely believe you could've put any team in the world in front of us the day we beat Man City and we'd have come out on top, we were scintillating that day.
Should he manage again, I don't know he'd certainly lost the plot towards the end with us and it carried over in to his tenure at Southampton, however after a bit of a break who's to say he won't come back refreshed and having learned from his mistakes.
I believe if he has, then he could do a very good job somewhere else.
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Post by elystokie on Dec 22, 2020 9:27:31 GMT
The recency bias with Stoke fans and Hughes is nothing short of a joke. Yes it went tits up in the end but a lot of that lies at the feet of the board for sacking him 18 months too late and also going away from the due diligence we used to carry out on potential transfers. People are very very quick to forget just how good we were for the best part of three years under Hughes. He took a solid but struggling Pulis side and made us fall in love with the game again. We routinely beat the big boys at home, beating Utd & Chelsea a number of times (something Pulis never managed) whilst also being responsible for probably the best football I will ever see produced from a Stoke side. I genuinely believe you could've put any team in the world in front of us the day we beat Man City and we'd have come out on top, we were scintillating that day. Should he manage again, I don't know he'd certainly lost the plot towards the end with us and it carried over in to his tenure at Southampton, however after a bit of a break who's to say he won't come back refreshed and having learned from his mistakes. I believe if he has, then he could do a very good job somewhere else. We'd been told (although a number argued the point vehemently) for years that the only way we could survive in the top tier (despite being the 3rd biggest spenders) was to play pulisball, which it seems only a select few actually find entertaining. Then along comes Hughes and shows what bollocks that theory actually was, some of our number could never forgive him |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 22, 2020 10:09:03 GMT
With his contacts he’d actually be good to have on a recruitment team which seems mental with the overspend we had.
I think football wise he got left behind.
From what I’ve been told as well his heart wasn’t in it for the last year here as he thought he was a shoe in for the Everton job and then Koeman got it I think.
If he did go into management again I think it would have to be in the Championship and building something and learning again.
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Post by scfc75 on Dec 22, 2020 10:57:35 GMT
With his contacts he’d actually be good to have on a recruitment team which seems mental with the overspend we had. I think football wise he got left behind. From what I’ve been told as well his heart wasn’t in it for the last year here as he thought he was a shoe in for the Everton job and then Koeman got it I think. If he did go into management again I think it would have to be in the Championship and building something and learning again. I’d like to see him have a crack at a smaller club that he has to build and demonstrate his coaching ability with unproven players. Every club role he’s had, he’s been well backed (sometimes too much). It’d definitely be nice to see how he’d do with a lower/middling championship club with little budget. |
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Post by generationex on Dec 22, 2020 11:07:46 GMT
The recency bias with Stoke fans and Hughes is nothing short of a joke. Yes it went tits up in the end but a lot of that lies at the feet of the board for sacking him 18 months too late and also going away from the due diligence we used to carry out on potential transfers. People are very very quick to forget just how good we were for the best part of three years under Hughes. He took a solid but struggling Pulis side and made us fall in love with the game again. We routinely beat the big boys at home, beating Utd & Chelsea a number of times (something Pulis never managed) whilst also being responsible for probably the best football I will ever see produced from a Stoke side. I genuinely believe you could've put any team in the world in front of us the day we beat Man City and we'd have come out on top, we were scintillating that day. Should he manage again, I don't know he'd certainly lost the plot towards the end with us and it carried over in to his tenure at Southampton, however after a bit of a break who's to say he won't come back refreshed and having learned from his mistakes. I believe if he has, then he could do a very good job somewhere else. We'd been told (although a number argued the point vehemently) for years that the only way we could survive in the top tier (despite being the 3rd biggest spenders) was to play pulisball, which it seems only a select few actually find entertaining. Then along comes Hughes and shows what bollocks that theory actually was, some of our number could never forgive him Quite ! We didn’t just survive we prospered! 12 years now in the top flight and ne’er a cloud on our horizon since he arrived! Hurrah! 😉 |
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Post by elystokie on Dec 22, 2020 11:27:30 GMT
We'd been told (although a number argued the point vehemently) for years that the only way we could survive in the top tier (despite being the 3rd biggest spenders) was to play pulisball, which it seems only a select few actually find entertaining. Then along comes Hughes and shows what bollocks that theory actually was, some of our number could never forgive him Quite ! We didn’t just survive we prospered! 12 years now in the top flight and ne’er a cloud on our horizon since he arrived! Hurrah! 😉 We prospered until he lost his way, same as the bloke he replaced. We didn't get hammered every week like we were told we would as soon as the capped one was sacked tho |
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