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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Mar 3, 2021 11:15:45 GMT
It'll be ironic if she does resign over allegedly breaking the ministerial code!
So far we've had Cummings (not a minister) driving around the country wherever he felt like during lockdown - no problem.
We've had Jenrick doing extremely dodgy planning deals for pals - no problem.
And Patel breaking the ministerial code over her treatment of staff - form a square around the Pritster.
Maybe things work differently north of the border!
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Mar 3, 2021 11:31:13 GMT
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Post by noustie on Mar 3, 2021 12:12:37 GMT
It'll be ironic if she does resign over allegedly breaking the ministerial code! So far we've had Cummings (not a minister) driving around the country wherever he felt like during lockdown - no problem. We've had Jenrick doing extremely dodgy planning deals for pals - no problem. And Patel breaking the ministerial code over her treatment of staff - form a square around the Pritster. Maybe things work differently north of the border! It's difficult for me voting SNP not to enter into massive whataboutery as the billions the Tories have creamed during the pandemic is an absolute piss take. Unfortunately though it's absolutely pointless because the SNP are hamstrung needing to prove that they/ we could do it better/cleaner than the cesspit of West Minster and this is unfortunately going to damage it for years. For me NS had a chance to repair some of that damage today but instead is looking to protect merely her own skin rather than the institutes of Scotland.
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Post by noustie on Mar 3, 2021 12:27:23 GMT
Caption competition... "You talkin' to me? Well, I'm the only one here. Who do the f*** do you think you're talking to?" Or, with (lots of!) respect to Harold Shand... “Committees... I’ve shit ‘em” 'Ya Dancer - Got a fuckin 9 Nic!' Suzie Dent 'Sorry but there's two 'r's in corruption' 'Fuckin Alex fault the letchy bastard'.
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Post by salopstick on Mar 3, 2021 13:03:06 GMT
It'll be ironic if she does resign over allegedly breaking the ministerial code! So far we've had Cummings (not a minister) driving around the country wherever he felt like during lockdown - no problem. We've had Jenrick doing extremely dodgy planning deals for pals - no problem. And Patel breaking the ministerial code over her treatment of staff - form a square around the Pritster. Maybe things work differently north of the border! It's difficult for me voting SNP not to enter into massive whataboutery as the billions the Tories have creamed during the pandemic is an absolute piss take. Unfortunately though it's absolutely pointless because the SNP are hamstrung needing to prove that they/ we could do it better/cleaner than the cesspit of West Minster and this is unfortunately going to damage it for years. For me NS had a chance to repair some of that damage today but instead is looking to protect merely her own skin rather than the institutes of Scotland. To me I’ve always felt she wants Independence for her rather than Scotland
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Post by noustie on Mar 3, 2021 14:21:47 GMT
It's difficult for me voting SNP not to enter into massive whataboutery as the billions the Tories have creamed during the pandemic is an absolute piss take. Unfortunately though it's absolutely pointless because the SNP are hamstrung needing to prove that they/ we could do it better/cleaner than the cesspit of West Minster and this is unfortunately going to damage it for years. For me NS had a chance to repair some of that damage today but instead is looking to protect merely her own skin rather than the institutes of Scotland. To me I’ve always felt she wants Independence for her rather than Scotland It's part of the reason for the civil war because there are quite a few who believe it's not progressing quickly enough or if it really remains the focus at all. We've been in a perfect storm where England and Wales got Brexit; NI voted to stay and got a fudge and; Scotland voted remain but got told 'tough shit' plus Boris is hugely unpopular up here vs NS approval ratings. Add to that the various majorities they've won since and not really achieved anything other a strategy that seems to be vote for another majority so we can ask Boris really really nicely this time and a proportion are getting disillusioned. The other thing to factor in is the SNP came from a low base and the old skool are almost all gone whose sole motivation was Independence. The SNP are obviously now a gravy train for any aspiring careerist politician, and being the only show in town, the electorate have to trust a party to receive 45+% of the vote then enact something that would ultimately cause their own demise. Add to that some of the bat shit mental policies currently in the offing like GRA - they've spent the last 6 years trying to attract more women to the SNP and 'YES' as a whole with the Salmond vs Sturgeon roots in the climate of MeToo. To then now look to introduce something as contentious as GRA which would jeopardise the support of women over 40 in particular that they've tried to convince leaves more than a few wandering where their priorities lie. For me they're turning into New Labour where the vote was taken for granted but have the advantage of there being no alternative.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Mar 3, 2021 15:28:01 GMT
Has she gone yet? Is she going? I've not seen any of it, who's been lying? All of them, presumably!
What's the general thinking? Toast or not?
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Post by crapslinger on Mar 3, 2021 15:36:49 GMT
It'll be ironic if she does resign over allegedly breaking the ministerial code! So far we've had Cummings (not a minister) driving around the country wherever he felt like during lockdown - no problem. We've had Jenrick doing extremely dodgy planning deals for pals - no problem. And Patel breaking the ministerial code over her treatment of staff - form a square around the Pritster. Maybe things work differently north of the border! Margaret Ferrier ! apparently not.
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Post by partickpotter on Mar 3, 2021 15:59:19 GMT
Has she gone yet? Is she going? I've not seen any of it, who's been lying? All of them, presumably! What's the general thinking? Toast or not? At the start of today I reckoned her chances of survival as evens, at 4pm I’d say it is looking odds on as the committee has failed to land a telling punch. That’s not the end of things though... leastways not on the BIG question, which is the upcoming Scottish elections. Will the shenanigans of recent times see the SNP lose support and not secure the majority they seemed likely to obtain? Quite possibly, but not definitely is how I see that.
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Post by salopstick on Mar 3, 2021 16:06:34 GMT
To me I’ve always felt she wants Independence for her rather than Scotland It's part of the reason for the civil war because there are quite a few who believe it's not progressing quickly enough or if it really remains the focus at all. We've been in a perfect storm where England and Wales got Brexit; NI voted to stay and got a fudge and; Scotland voted remain but got told 'tough shit' plus Boris is hugely unpopular up here vs NS approval ratings. Add to that the various majorities they've won since and not really achieved anything other a strategy that seems to be vote for another majority so we can ask Boris really really nicely this time and a proportion are getting disillusioned. The other thing to factor in is the SNP came from a low base and the old skool are almost all gone whose sole motivation was Independence. The SNP are obviously now a gravy train for any aspiring careerist politician, and being the only show in town, the electorate have to trust a party to receive 45+% of the vote then enact something that would ultimately cause their own demise. Add to that some of the bat shit mental policies currently in the offing like GRA - they've spent the last 6 years trying to attract more women to the SNP and 'YES' as a whole with the Salmond vs Sturgeon roots in the climate of MeToo. To then now look to introduce something as contentious as GRA which would jeopardise the support of women over 40 in particular that they've tried to convince leaves more than a few wandering where their priorities lie. For me they're turning into New Labour where the vote was taken for granted but have the advantage of there being no alternative. I believe in the union but have no objection to plaid or the snp being the party that wants to further their interests within that union. On paper both Nationalist parties should know what is best for Scotland and wales rather than a remote Westminster but I can’t help think what you could do with the 100 of £millions that the extra layers of government cost the tax payer for devolution
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Post by wagsastokie on Mar 3, 2021 16:45:37 GMT
The fallout from today
From what I can gather Those that think she walks on water are prepared to ignore what they see as a damp ankle
Those that were ready to burn her have removed the kindling And now want her hung drawn and quartered
It’s the thirty odd percent in the middle who are the ones that truly count if sufficient numbers of them switch to other parties in the forthcoming election Then the snp may well fail to get the majority they want and have to rely on the greens to prop them up Then I think she may resign in the summer
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Mar 3, 2021 16:52:15 GMT
The fallout from today From what I can gather Those that think she walks on water are prepared to ignore what they see as a damp ankle Those that were ready to burn her have removed the kindling And now want her hung drawn and quartered It’s the thirty odd percent in the middle who are the ones that truly count if sufficient numbers of them switch to other parties in the forthcoming election Then the snp may well fail to get the majority they want and have to rely on the greens to prop them up Then I think she may resign in the summer Or if enough people only care about independence over anything else, in much the same way that getting Brexit done over-rode everything south of the border, not much may change?
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Mar 3, 2021 16:56:14 GMT
Has she gone yet? Is she going? I've not seen any of it, who's been lying? All of them, presumably! What's the general thinking? Toast or not? At the start of today I reckoned her chances of survival as evens, at 4pm I’d say it is looking odds on as the committee has failed to land a telling punch. That’s not the end of things though... leastways not on the BIG question, which is the upcoming Scottish elections. Will the shenanigans of recent times see the SNP lose support and not secure the majority they seemed likely to obtain? Quite possibly, but not definitely is how I see that. It'll probably have some impact but, as we've seen with 125,000 dead people in the UK which hasn't had all that much impact on Bluffer's government's popularity according to polls, perhaps this will be the same? I still think they'll get a majority come May.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Mar 3, 2021 17:03:53 GMT
It'll be ironic if she does resign over allegedly breaking the ministerial code! So far we've had Cummings (not a minister) driving around the country wherever he felt like during lockdown - no problem. We've had Jenrick doing extremely dodgy planning deals for pals - no problem. And Patel breaking the ministerial code over her treatment of staff - form a square around the Pritster. Maybe things work differently north of the border! Margaret Ferrier ! apparently not. Not actually a minister, so it'd be hard for her to break ministerial rules, but unlike her fellow non-minister Dominic Cummings, she has been suspended since October for her stupid breach of the Covid rules, which is significantly more than happened to Cummings or the minister Patel! So, apparently so!
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Post by wagsastokie on Mar 3, 2021 17:04:49 GMT
The fallout from today From what I can gather Those that think she walks on water are prepared to ignore what they see as a damp ankle Those that were ready to burn her have removed the kindling And now want her hung drawn and quartered It’s the thirty odd percent in the middle who are the ones that truly count if sufficient numbers of them switch to other parties in the forthcoming election Then the snp may well fail to get the majority they want and have to rely on the greens to prop them up Then I think she may resign in the summer Or if enough people only care about independence over anything else, in much the same way that getting Brexit done over-rode everything south of the border, not much may change? You really need to get over the brexit vote Have you ever thought of trauma counselling As you really seem to be unable to accept the British government enacting the will of the British people
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Mar 3, 2021 17:09:06 GMT
Or if enough people only care about independence over anything else, in much the same way that getting Brexit done over-rode everything south of the border, not much may change? You really need to get over the brexit vote Have you ever thought of trauma counselling As you really seem to be unable to accept the British government enacting the will of the British people Snore, the usual "some people still won't accept the result".... Out of interest, if the SNP get a majority, or even minority control with the Greens, and hold a referendum which is in support of Yes, and the UK Conservative government refuses to acknowledge it or grant independence, thus denying the will of the Scottish people, what would you think?
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Post by wagsastokie on Mar 3, 2021 17:15:17 GMT
You really need to get over the brexit vote Have you ever thought of trauma counselling As you really seem to be unable to accept the British government enacting the will of the British people Snore, the usual "some people still won't accept the result".... Out of interest, if the SNP get a majority, or even minority control with the Greens, and hold a referendum which is in support of Yes, and the UK Conservative government refuses to acknowledge it or grant independence, thus denying the will of the Scottish people, what would you think? Personally I think that if the snp have control of the next Scottish Parliament And hold another referendum and the people vote to leave Then I think Westminster should allow them to leave as long as they agree to pay there share of national debt
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Post by crapslinger on Mar 3, 2021 17:18:26 GMT
Snore, the usual "some people still won't accept the result".... Out of interest, if the SNP get a majority, or even minority control with the Greens, and hold a referendum which is in support of Yes, and the UK Conservative government refuses to acknowledge it or grant independence, thus denying the will of the Scottish people, what would you think? Personally I think that if the snp have control of the next Scottish Parliament And hold another referendum and the people vote to leave Then I think Westminster should allow them to leave as long as they agree to pay there share of national debt Pro rata
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Mar 3, 2021 17:18:42 GMT
Snore, the usual "some people still won't accept the result".... Out of interest, if the SNP get a majority, or even minority control with the Greens, and hold a referendum which is in support of Yes, and the UK Conservative government refuses to acknowledge it or grant independence, thus denying the will of the Scottish people, what would you think? Personally I think that if the snp have control of the next Scottish Parliament And hold another referendum and the people vote to leave Then I think Westminster should allow them to leave as long as they agree to pay there share of national debt Even if the UK government hasn't sanctioned the referendum?
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Post by crapslinger on Mar 3, 2021 17:22:13 GMT
Or if enough people only care about independence over anything else, in much the same way that getting Brexit done over-rode everything south of the border, not much may change? You really need to get over the brexit vote Have you ever thought of trauma counselling As you really seem to be unable to accept the British government enacting the will of the British people Do they do tantrum counselling
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Post by lordb on Mar 3, 2021 17:26:50 GMT
Question: will the clamour for Scottish independence disapate in the medium or long term if Sturgeon loses her position?
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Mar 3, 2021 17:32:50 GMT
Question: will the clamour for Scottish independence disapate in the medium or long term if Sturgeon loses her position? Ah, that's better! That is what I've been wondering. Salmond and Sturgeon were the big players in Scottish independence politics, indeed Scottish politics overall, for years and years. Swinney didn't achieve anything when he was leader, and there are few other well known names, at least this side of the border. I think they need to gain a majority in the elections and then maintain interest in a second referendum for a period after the Covid recovery. That might be the bigger challenge, people in Scotland will have got used to Brexit and getting back to normal from the pandemic, perhaps interest in independence will also have waned? They'll have to continue to make Westminster look like the bad guys to keep the interest up, probably by playing on Bluffer not wanting to grant a second referendum.
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Post by crapslinger on Mar 3, 2021 17:52:09 GMT
Margaret Ferrier ! apparently not. Not actually a minister, so it'd be hard for her to break ministerial rules, but unlike her fellow non-minister Dominic Cummings, she has been suspended since October for her stupid breach of the Covid rules, which is significantly more than happened to Cummings or the minister Patel! So, apparently so! Was dirty Dom an MP ?
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Post by crapslinger on Mar 3, 2021 17:55:34 GMT
Do they do tantrum counselling Well, you'll know if anyone Surely you must have somewhere to be racist, while we talk about some grown up stuff? Coming from a man who threw his toys out of the pram because he didn't get his own way three and a half years ago priceless, grown up stuff
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Post by wagsastokie on Mar 3, 2021 18:04:32 GMT
Personally I think that if the snp have control of the next Scottish Parliament And hold another referendum and the people vote to leave Then I think Westminster should allow them to leave as long as they agree to pay there share of national debt Even if the UK government hasn't sanctioned the referendum? Yes I would say we would have to accept the decision But I’m sure it would drag on for years and I’m sure there would be court cases from unionists And also there will be the problem with the northern islands If the snp want Westminster to accept the result in a unrecognised referendum They can hardly refuse if Westminster decided to allow the Shetland and Orkney islands a separate vote to become crown dependencies
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Mar 3, 2021 18:30:51 GMT
Well, you'll know if anyone Surely you must have somewhere to be racist, while we talk about some grown up stuff? Coming from a man who threw his toys out of the pram because he didn't get his own way three and a half years ago priceless, grown up stuff I know you struggle with this kind of stuff, but it was nearly five years ago! Look out, brown people etc...
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Mar 3, 2021 18:32:44 GMT
Even if the UK government hasn't sanctioned the referendum? Yes I would say we would have to accept the decision But I’m sure it would drag on for years and I’m sure there would be court cases from unionists And also there will be the problem with the northern islands If the snp want Westminster to accept the result in a unrecognised referendum They can hardly refuse if Westminster decided to allow the Shetland and Orkney islands a separate vote to become crown dependencies That's true. Although, if the Scots became independent, Westminster might not have any say in what existing parts of Scotland might want to do!
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Post by crapslinger on Mar 3, 2021 18:34:58 GMT
Coming from a man who threw his toys out of the pram because he didn't get his own way three and a half years ago priceless, grown up stuff Look out, brown people etc... Diddum's Attachment Deleted
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Mar 3, 2021 18:37:02 GMT
Not actually a minister, so it'd be hard for her to break ministerial rules, but unlike her fellow non-minister Dominic Cummings, she has been suspended since October for her stupid breach of the Covid rules, which is significantly more than happened to Cummings or the minister Patel! So, apparently so! Was dirty Dom an MP ? Did I say he was? Bit of a contrast between the treatment of Cummings, Jenrick and Patel (ie nothing) and that of Ferrier (suspended and told to resign), regardless of their actual positions!
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Mar 3, 2021 18:39:51 GMT
Did I say he was? Bit of a contrast between the treatment of Cummings, Jenrick and Patel (ie nothing) and that of Ferrier (suspended and told to resign), regardless of their actual positions! Don't worry about it. Let it go
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