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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Feb 28, 2021 10:39:43 GMT
Largely irrelevant, for the reasons we've discussed before. It doesn't matter who leads each of the individual Unionist parties, (Ruth Davidson I'll perhaps make an exception for) it's still just independence versus Westminster in most Scots' eyes. So it splits the Unionist vote in precisely the same way that the non Tory vote is split in England, with the same overall result, albeit fairer representation through the Scots' more sensible electoral system. Not at all. SNP have swept up a lot of Labour votes in recent years. There are a number of reasons for this, mostly down to Labour’s ineptitude in Scotland, but it certainly isn’t the case that all of these people see independence as their top priority. It’s possible a significant number of these former Labour voters could decide to return to Labour now it is under new leadership, particularly if they are unhappy with the state of the SNP currently. We will see. Well, you live in Scotland and are therefore more qualified to say, but south of the border, my impression is that Sturgeon is the big fish of Scottish politics (I thank you!) and all the rest are tiddlers fighting for scraps, whoever they are. Which I think is a reflection of the fact that the independence question does trump all other considerations following Brexit. First the poll tax experience, now Brexit, I think the Scots have got to the point of being utterly fed up of Westminster imposing policies on them they don't agree with. I wrote Westminster deliberately rather than Tories to make the point that there isn't much difference between them and all the other parties if you make it a binary choice between independence and unionism, which it increasingly appears to be. As you say, we'll see. Perhaps Brexit will fade over the next couple of years in Scots' minds, that must be what Bluffer et al are hoping for?
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Post by wagsastokie on Feb 28, 2021 11:06:23 GMT
Not at all. SNP have swept up a lot of Labour votes in recent years. There are a number of reasons for this, mostly down to Labour’s ineptitude in Scotland, but it certainly isn’t the case that all of these people see independence as their top priority. It’s possible a significant number of these former Labour voters could decide to return to Labour now it is under new leadership, particularly if they are unhappy with the state of the SNP currently. We will see. Well, you live in Scotland and are therefore more qualified to say, but south of the border, my impression is that Sturgeon is the big fish of Scottish politics (I thank you!) and all the rest are tiddlers fighting for scraps, whoever they are. Which I think is a reflection of the fact that the independence question does trump all other considerations following Brexit. First the poll tax experience, now Brexit, I think the Scots have got to the point of being utterly fed up of Westminster imposing policies on them they don't agree with. I wrote Westminster deliberately rather than Tories to make the point that there isn't much difference between them and all the other parties if you make it a binary choice between independence and unionism, which it increasingly appears to be. As you say, we'll see. Perhaps Brexit will fade over the next couple of years in Scots' minds, that must be what Bluffer et al are hoping for? But they never seem to tire of Westminster money
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Post by partickpotter on Mar 2, 2021 10:19:37 GMT
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Post by wagsastokie on Mar 2, 2021 13:23:28 GMT
Just watching the bbc lunchtime news And they mentioned sturgeon was appearing before the committee tomorrow I find that a very strange day to appear budget day I wonder if it’s chosen to minimise the air time of bad news
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Mar 2, 2021 18:54:02 GMT
Looks like Jimmy Krankie might be on her way out
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Post by chad on Mar 2, 2021 18:56:08 GMT
Looks like Jimmy Krankie might be on her way out Oh this is going to be fun 🤩
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Post by Clayton Wood on Mar 2, 2021 19:25:49 GMT
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Post by salopstick on Mar 2, 2021 20:27:25 GMT
Am I right the gist is.
Salmon gets into bother.
Sturgeon uses this as a way to get rid of him once and for all
Salmon gets off
The whole affair does stink of sturgeon using this to get rid of salmond once and for all, misleading Scottish Parliment by the way
Sturgeon gets found out
All the opposition thinks she should go?
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Mar 2, 2021 21:01:43 GMT
I bet she is feeling a krankie at the moment.
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Post by RichieBarkerOut! on Mar 2, 2021 21:13:45 GMT
Calls To ResignI think the BBC are pussyfooting around this story, and if they are, then there's some serious shit that's going to hit Nicola's fan pretty soon.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Mar 2, 2021 22:18:27 GMT
Ooooh, has the big fish been hooked?
Has she been smoked by Salmond?
Or is it just a big roe over nothing?
Sturgeon, roe, caviar, row...oh please yourselves...
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Post by crapslinger on Mar 2, 2021 22:39:12 GMT
Looks like Jimmy Krankie might be on her way out What a shame will this affect Scexit ?
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Post by partickpotter on Mar 2, 2021 22:49:58 GMT
Ooooh, has the big fish been hooked? Has she been smoked by Salmond? Or is it just a big roe over nothing? Sturgeon, roe, caviar, row...oh please yourselves... Seems like Salmond has done Sturgeon up like a kipper. Or the other way round.
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Post by longdistancekiddie on Mar 2, 2021 23:26:00 GMT
Salmond will get independence.
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Post by harryburrows on Mar 3, 2021 3:29:10 GMT
Ooooh, has the big fish been hooked? Has she been smoked by Salmond? Or is it just a big roe over nothing? Sturgeon, roe, caviar, row...oh please yourselves... It's the scale of the scandal I fin sole destroying .she's fallen into salmons trap hook line and sinker .
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2021 5:19:56 GMT
Ooooh, has the big fish been hooked? Has she been smoked by Salmond? Or is it just a big roe over nothing? Sturgeon, roe, caviar, row...oh please yourselves... Seems like Salmond has done Sturgeon up like a kipper. Or the other way round. Surely Fish from Marillion should have his say as long as none of his music is involved.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Mar 3, 2021 6:41:48 GMT
She'll skate around the claims today just for the halibut.
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Post by wagsastokie on Mar 3, 2021 7:39:25 GMT
I’d suggest that sturgeon is in more trouble than I’d thought Having just listened to blackford on BBC breakfast He certainly didn’t sound to full of confidence
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Post by Northy on Mar 3, 2021 7:44:57 GMT
Seems like Salmond has done Sturgeon up like a kipper. Or the other way round. Surely Fish from Marillion should have his say as long as none of his music is involved. Change the word Kayleigh to scaley and you'll be singing about Nicola the Sturgeon all day
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Post by salopstick on Mar 3, 2021 9:00:41 GMT
According to the press she’s been caught.
Hook line and sinker
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Post by partickpotter on Mar 3, 2021 9:11:38 GMT
Sturgeon’s session in front of the committee has just started and will apparently go on into the afternoon.
She looks in big trouble.
But she is an awesome politician. She could still come come through this. Then again maybe not.
I’ve no idea how this will end up!
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Post by wagsastokie on Mar 3, 2021 9:47:41 GMT
Sturgeon’s session in front of the committee has just started and will apparently go on into the afternoon. She looks in big trouble. But she is an awesome politician. She could still come come through this. Then again maybe not. I’ve no idea how this will end up! If you were a betting man which way would you sway
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Post by partickpotter on Mar 3, 2021 9:49:57 GMT
Sturgeon’s session in front of the committee has just started and will apparently go on into the afternoon. She looks in big trouble. But she is an awesome politician. She could still come come through this. Then again maybe not. I’ve no idea how this will end up! If you were a betting man which way would you sway Evens!
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Post by wagsastokie on Mar 3, 2021 9:53:37 GMT
If you were a betting man which way would you sway Evens! I had a feeling you might say that Personally I think she’ll survive but the lustre has gone and she’ll not scrub up quite as shiny again
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Post by noustie on Mar 3, 2021 10:12:48 GMT
If you were a betting man which way would you sway Evens! I'd agree with that too and for me the whole point of delaying the whole saga is so we'd get to the election. That way she doesn't need to resign as parliament is over and votes are taking place for a new term. The options then as an independence supporter are: > Vote SNP through gritted teeth for the carrot dangling of independence despite the damage one party having 45% voting share for 12 years is causing to the institutions they're meant to protect. > Vote Green who'll support independence maybe but are also big on GRA, against pumping drugs into cattle but happy enough allowing big pharmas to pump puberty blockers into kids who might just possible be gay rather than in the wrong body. > Vote Conservative who would either shut Hollyrood down or dilute it to the point another referendum disappears for decades. > Vote Labour who would be in a coalition with the Tories and allow some form of the above too. > Vote Liberal Democrat whose stance on advocating another Brexit referendum but not a Scottish one is neither Liberal nor Democratic. If I had to bet though I would say she'll survive purely on the defence of continuing to claim Salmond is guilty really and she did it all purely with the interests of the victims at heart. The fact that the most serious case of accused rape was chucked out by a jury predominantly of women because she wasn't even in the building at the time, her mate said she wasn't at the building at the time and the celebrity who was there for the dinner on the date in question couldn't be sure if she was but when asked to describe her failed to mention the fact her arm was in a sling at the alleged time always fails to get a mention for some reason. I'm going she'll scapre a minority government with the Greens but be a lame duck out by the end of the year once the education report is published (7/1).
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Post by wagsastokie on Mar 3, 2021 10:30:32 GMT
I'd agree with that too and for me the whole point of delaying the whole saga is so we'd get to the election. That way she doesn't need to resign as parliament is over and votes are taking place for a new term. The options then as an independence supporter are: > Vote SNP through gritted teeth for the carrot dangling of independence despite the damage one party having 45% voting share for 12 years is causing to the institutions they're meant to protect. > Vote Green who'll support independence maybe but are also big on GRA, against pumping drugs into cattle but happy enough allowing big pharmas to pump puberty blockers into kids who might just possible be gay rather than in the wrong body. > Vote Conservative who would either shut Hollyrood down or dilute it to the point another referendum disappears for decades. > Vote Labour who would be in a coalition with the Tories and allow some form of the above too. > Vote Liberal Democrat whose stance on advocating another Brexit referendum but not a Scottish one is neither Liberal nor Democratic. If I had to bet though I would say she'll survive purely on the defence of continuing to claim Salmond is guilty really and she did it all purely with the interests of the victims at heart. The fact that the most serious case of accused rape was chucked out by a jury predominantly of women because she wasn't even in the building at the time, her mate said she wasn't at the building at the time and the celebrity who was there for the dinner on the date in question couldn't be sure if she was but when asked to describe her failed to mention the fact her arm was in a sling at the alleged time always fails to get a mention for some reason. I'm going she'll scapre a minority government with the Greens but be a lame duck out by the end of the year once the education report is published (7/1). That’s pretty much how I see it I can’t see her being in place this time next year
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Post by partickpotter on Mar 3, 2021 10:47:34 GMT
I'd agree with that too and for me the whole point of delaying the whole saga is so we'd get to the election. That way she doesn't need to resign as parliament is over and votes are taking place for a new term. The options then as an independence supporter are: > Vote SNP through gritted teeth for the carrot dangling of independence despite the damage one party having 45% voting share for 12 years is causing to the institutions they're meant to protect. > Vote Green who'll support independence maybe but are also big on GRA, against pumping drugs into cattle but happy enough allowing big pharmas to pump puberty blockers into kids who might just possible be gay rather than in the wrong body. > Vote Conservative who would either shut Hollyrood down or dilute it to the point another referendum disappears for decades. > Vote Labour who would be in a coalition with the Tories and allow some form of the above too. > Vote Liberal Democrat whose stance on advocating another Brexit referendum but not a Scottish one is neither Liberal nor Democratic. If I had to bet though I would say she'll survive purely on the defence of continuing to claim Salmond is guilty really and she did it all purely with the interests of the victims at heart. The fact that the most serious case of accused rape was chucked out by a jury predominantly of women because she wasn't even in the building at the time, her mate said she wasn't at the building at the time and the celebrity who was there for the dinner on the date in question couldn't be sure if she was but when asked to describe her failed to mention the fact her arm was in a sling at the alleged time always fails to get a mention for some reason. I'm going she'll scapre a minority government with the Greens but be a lame duck out by the end of the year once the education report is published (7/1). She’s certainly decided attack is the best form of defence. And ad hominem attack is the way to do it. In other words she is well and truly sticking the boot into Alex Salmond. It’s quite effective, but not for me, particularly convincing.
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Post by partickpotter on Mar 3, 2021 10:49:51 GMT
Caption competition... "You talkin' to me? Well, I'm the only one here. Who do the f*** do you think you're talking to?" Or, with (lots of!) respect to Harold Shand... “Committees... I’ve shit ‘em”
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Post by Clayton Wood on Mar 3, 2021 10:54:04 GMT
Caption competition... "You talkin' to me? Well, I'm the only one here. Who do the f*** do you think you're talking to?" Cheers Alex!
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Post by mrcoke on Mar 3, 2021 10:56:00 GMT
Caption competition... "You talkin' to me? Well, I'm the only one here. Who do the f*** do you think you're talking to?" " Who's pinched my dentures?"
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