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Post by thevoid on Dec 17, 2020 12:07:01 GMT
So on this thread alone we've had the predictable 'thick' and 'racist' jibes thrown around at people for having a different opinion. Some folk just never learn.
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Post by RAF on Dec 17, 2020 12:11:29 GMT
Are you saying that the majority of players are doing it under sufferance? It doesn't matter whether it is the majority or the minority. I'm questioning your point of solidarity and the validity of the claim. H |
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Dec 17, 2020 12:11:35 GMT
I find bending a knee an act of submission (I wouldn't kneel before anybody personally). . That was dismissed as bunkum when the detestable Mr Raab spouted it weeks ago. Dismissed as bunkum by who? The echo chambers within which you reside perhaps. Opinions vary on it like with all things. I am able to accept others doing it if that's what they want to do. You however are not so tolerant and prescribe to the belief that if I don't like doing it or find it strange others doing it then I am some form of malevolent person. I don't bend the knee for anybody. And I most certainly wouldn't expect anyone to do it for me or a cause that I believed in. |
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Post by thevoid on Dec 17, 2020 12:16:03 GMT
More contempt for players because they're not doing something that is palatable to YOU. Wrong again. If they want to do it because they are supporting colleagues then I have very clearly said I am ok with it, even if I find bending a knee an act of submission (I wouldn't kneel before anybody personally). If they are doing it because they support a divisive political organisation then I am very much against it because that kind of politics has no place in sport. As I have also said very clearly the fault for all this lies with organisations like the BBC not doing their proper due diligence in the first place and as a result imposing their misguided view onto all of us in a manner that made it a case of obey us, support us and ask no questions or you will be cast out as a bigot. No thanks, I like thinking for myself ta. Another factor is BLM not producing their full mission statement until after the crowdfunding money rolled in. They're savvy, I'll give them that- that's why they put Black in their name. To the usual sheep incapable of considering the various nuances of debates such as this, any criticism of such a movement is racist by default. |
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Post by spitthedog on Dec 17, 2020 12:16:50 GMT
Im reading a lot of "I'm being made to this, 'I'm being made to think this' by a lot of people who are clearly not doing or thinking this, nor being made to think or do this????
So it cant be that difficult!
The evidence for this is clear as daylight in this thread.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Dec 17, 2020 12:20:20 GMT
That was dismissed as bunkum when the detestable Mr Raab spouted it weeks ago. Dismissed as bunkum by who? The echo chambers within which you reside perhaps. Opinions vary on it like with all things. I am able to accept others doing it if that's what they want to do. You however are not so tolerant and prescribe to the belief that if I don't like doing it or find it strange others doing it then I am some form of malevolent person. I don't bend the knee for anybody. And I most certainly wouldn't expect anyone to do it for me or a cause that I believed in. It is not and never has been an act of submission. At least do your homework before regaling us with your views. |
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Post by sheikhmomo on Dec 17, 2020 12:30:36 GMT
Are you saying that the majority of players are doing it under sufferance? It doesn't matter whether it is the majority or the minority. I'm questioning your point of solidarity and the validity of the claim. H I think your definition of solidarity is somewhat different to mine mate! |
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Post by crapslinger on Dec 17, 2020 12:34:27 GMT
Are you saying that the majority of players are doing it under sufferance? It doesn't matter whether it is the majority or the minority. I'm questioning your point of solidarity and the validity of the claim. H Good luck with that he doesn't give straight answers, if you ask too many admin. will accuse you of goading him. |
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Dec 17, 2020 12:36:47 GMT
Dismissed as bunkum by who? The echo chambers within which you reside perhaps. Opinions vary on it like with all things. I am able to accept others doing it if that's what they want to do. You however are not so tolerant and prescribe to the belief that if I don't like doing it or find it strange others doing it then I am some form of malevolent person. I don't bend the knee for anybody. And I most certainly wouldn't expect anyone to do it for me or a cause that I believed in. It is not and never has been an act of submission. At least do your homework before regaling us with your views. "Be in or assume a position in which the body is supported by a knee or the knees, as when praying or showing submission." The oxford dictionaries definition of KNEEL. You best get them on the phone and express your displeasure pal  |
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Post by RAF on Dec 17, 2020 12:40:51 GMT
It doesn't matter whether it is the majority or the minority. I'm questioning your point of solidarity and the validity of the claim. H I think your definition of solidarity is somewhat different to mine mate! Well mine is unity and agreement between individuals. Certainly not under sufferance or pressure. Which I feel is or at least could be happening. That is not solidarity in my book. H |
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Post by spitthedog on Dec 17, 2020 12:41:51 GMT
It doesn't matter whether it is the majority or the minority. I'm questioning your point of solidarity and the validity of the claim. H Good luck with that he doesn't give straight answers, if you ask too many admin. will accuse you of goading him. You should take this up with the admin, if you have any specific grievances about the admin of this board. |
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Post by spitthedog on Dec 17, 2020 12:43:28 GMT
I think your definition of solidarity is somewhat different to mine mate! Well mine is unity and agreement between individuals. Certainly not under sufferance or pressure. Which I feel is or at least could be happening. That is not solidarity in my book. H Pressure could be happening, or it may not be happening. Until there is any kind of evidence then this is merely assumption and speculation. |
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Post by crapslinger on Dec 17, 2020 12:44:00 GMT
It is not and never has been an act of submission. At least do your homework before regaling us with your views. "Be in or assume a position in which the body is supported by a knee or the knees, as when praying or showing submission." The oxford dictionaries definition of KNEEL. You best get them on the phone and express your displeasure pal Like these "police officers" there to up hold the law or submit to a political organisation ? Attachment Deleted
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Post by spitthedog on Dec 17, 2020 12:46:25 GMT
"Be in or assume a position in which the body is supported by a knee or the knees, as when praying or showing submission." The oxford dictionaries definition of KNEEL. You best get them on the phone and express your displeasure pal Like these "police officers" there to up hold the law or submit to a political organisation ? View Attachment
They are not all kneeling so they clearly were not forced, or under instruction to do it. Whether they should is a separate debate. |
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Post by crapslinger on Dec 17, 2020 12:47:41 GMT
Good luck with that he doesn't give straight answers, if you ask too many admin. will accuse you of goading him. You should take this up with the admin, if you have any specific grievances about the admin of this board. I already have  |
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Post by RAF on Dec 17, 2020 12:49:15 GMT
Well mine is unity and agreement between individuals. Certainly not under sufferance or pressure. Which I feel is or at least could be happening. That is not solidarity in my book. H Pressure could be happening, or it may not be happening. Until there is any kind of evidence then this is merely assumption and speculation. Absolutely, and I haven't for one second said otherwise have I? It's certainly not beyond the realms and quite plausible never the less. You are correct though, until a footballer comes out and says they felt pressured to take the knee then it is definitely speculation. H |
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Post by spitthedog on Dec 17, 2020 12:51:20 GMT
It is not and never has been an act of submission. At least do your homework before regaling us with your views. "Be in or assume a position in which the body is supported by a knee or the knees, as when praying or showing submission." The Oxford dictionaries definition of KNEEL. You best get them on the phone and express your displeasure pal Sorry to be pedantic, but that definition is giving submission or praying as AN EXAMPLE of Kneel. That does not mean that if I go on my knee I am ALWAYS praying, or always submitting. So the definition does not confirm that kneeling is necessarily an act of submission, or praying Yesterday I had to go down on my knee to feed the cat, but I wasn't praying or submitting. The cat was happy though. |
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Dec 17, 2020 12:54:11 GMT
"Be in or assume a position in which the body is supported by a knee or the knees, as when praying or showing submission." The oxford dictionaries definition of KNEEL. You best get them on the phone and express your displeasure pal Like these "police officers" there to up hold the law or submit to a political organisation ? View Attachment
All caused by a media creating a frenzy and an environment where everyone felt compelled to fall in line so as not to risk appearing racist. At best they just didn't do any research at worst they are part of the BLM organisations FULL narrative. Haven't worked out which yet. In a way I feel a bit sorry for those police officers because they were most likely just trying to keep the peace. But doing so because they have been coerced by the likes of Sky/BBC/FA and premier league etc. If only they had set their stall out clearly and done some research and foreseen that a lot of people were going to ask some deeper questions then all this division could have been avoided. But of course the virtue signallers have you down as a bigot for not just jumping on the bandwagon of virtue because you have deeper concerns about what it all means and where it could lead. |
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Post by spitthedog on Dec 17, 2020 12:54:22 GMT
Pressure could be happening, or it may not be happening. Until there is any kind of evidence then this is merely assumption and speculation. Absolutely, and I haven't for one second said otherwise have I? It's certainly not beyond the realms and quite plausible never the less. You are correct though, until a footballer comes out and says they felt pressured to take the knee then it is definitely speculation. H I was merely attempting to clarify a point around the subject, there was no intention to comment on what I thought you were saying or not saying, apologies if it seemed that way. |
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Post by sheikhmomo on Dec 17, 2020 12:55:00 GMT
It is not and never has been an act of submission. At least do your homework before regaling us with your views. "Be in or assume a position in which the body is supported by a knee or the knees, as when praying or showing submission." The oxford dictionaries definition of KNEEL. You best get them on the phone and express your displeasure pal Reading a dictionary definition is not educating yourself. |
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Dec 17, 2020 12:55:33 GMT
"Be in or assume a position in which the body is supported by a knee or the knees, as when praying or showing submission." The oxford dictionaries definition of KNEEL. You best get them on the phone and express your displeasure pal Reading a dictionary definition is not educating yourself. Yeah good one! Feelings over stone cold facts in your world, I know. |
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Post by RAF on Dec 17, 2020 12:57:56 GMT
Absolutely, and I haven't for one second said otherwise have I? It's certainly not beyond the realms and quite plausible never the less. You are correct though, until a footballer comes out and says they felt pressured to take the knee then it is definitely speculation. H I was merely attempting to clarify a point around the subject, there was no intention to comment on what I thought you were saying or not saying, apologies if it seemed that way. Fair enough, no need to apologise. H |
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Post by sheikhmomo on Dec 17, 2020 12:58:27 GMT
Reading a dictionary definition is not educating yourself. Yeah good one! Good Lord. You actually think it is educating yourself  |
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Post by RAF on Dec 17, 2020 13:02:11 GMT
Good Lord. You actually think it is educating yourself :) Bloody hell is it not? Where do I get my big words from next time then? H |
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Dec 17, 2020 13:05:39 GMT
Good Lord. You actually think it is educating yourself I'd say reading a dictionary is a whole lot more educational than trying to educate myself via the BBC. But hey its just my opinion |
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Post by crapslinger on Dec 17, 2020 13:08:09 GMT
Like these "police officers" there to up hold the law or submit to a political organisation ? View Attachment
They are not all kneeling so they clearly were not forced, or under instruction to do it. Whether they should is a separate debate. Is it right that our Police Service are seen to be submitting to a political organisation ? |
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Post by sheikhmomo on Dec 17, 2020 13:09:49 GMT
Good Lord. You actually think it is educating yourself I'd say reading a dictionary is a whole lot more educational than trying to educate myself via the BBC. But hey its just my opinion It's informing you on a definition of a word not a subject. That's like giving me the dictionary definition of Religion or Politics and telling me you've got it nailed. Just daft. |
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Dec 17, 2020 13:14:43 GMT
"Be in or assume a position in which the body is supported by a knee or the knees, as when praying or showing submission." The Oxford dictionaries definition of KNEEL. You best get them on the phone and express your displeasure pal Sorry to be pedantic, but that definition is giving submission or praying as AN EXAMPLE of Kneel. That does not mean that if I go on my knee I am ALWAYS praying, or always submitting. So the definition does not confirm that kneeling is necessarily an act of submission, or praying Yesterday I had to go down on my knee to feed the cat, but I wasn't praying or submitting. The cat was happy though. Which is why I said to him definitions will vary, because they do. Yet he claims taking the knee has NEVER been defined as an act of submission. See, I am prepared to be flexible, he however has a myopic view which he likes to hold everyone accountable to. I am suspecting he is disingenuous. |
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Post by spitthedog on Dec 17, 2020 13:18:59 GMT
Sorry to be pedantic, but that definition is giving submission or praying as AN EXAMPLE of Kneel. That does not mean that if I go on my knee I am ALWAYS praying, or always submitting. So the definition does not confirm that kneeling is necessarily an act of submission, or praying Yesterday I had to go down on my knee to feed the cat, but I wasn't praying or submitting. The cat was happy though. Which is why I said to him definitions will vary, because they do. Yet he claims taking the knee has NEVER been defined as an act of submission. See, I am prepared to be flexible, he however has a myopic view which he likes to hold everyone accountable to. I am suspecting he is disingenuous. My feeling is you both just have a different interpretation...which definitely happens! |
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Dec 17, 2020 13:20:46 GMT
I'd say reading a dictionary is a whole lot more educational than trying to educate myself via the BBC. But hey its just my opinion It's informing you on a definition of a word not a subject. That's like giving me the dictionary definition of Religion or Politics and telling me you've got it nailed. Just daft.
Go on then explain your above quote. Prove you quote to be 100% bullet proof and I will gracefully concede to you being of superior intellect. I won't be kneeling mind you  |
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