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Post by skip on Dec 8, 2020 15:23:21 GMT
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Post by Veritas on Dec 8, 2020 15:52:30 GMT
Spot on
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2020 15:59:14 GMT
Yep, excellent - as usual.
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Post by richardparker on Dec 8, 2020 16:05:19 GMT
Good that! Kind of sums up the society we live in.
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Post by brinsleymaclagan on Dec 8, 2020 16:16:17 GMT
Brilliant!! The comparison with Remembrance Day did occur to me, but I didn’t want to stir the hornets nest.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2020 16:17:31 GMT
That's fucking brilliant, it really is the same ones that get wet for poppies and the National Anthem.
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Post by skip on Dec 8, 2020 23:52:35 GMT
Did anyone see the QPR goal scorer's celebration towards the Millwall fans? Total respect.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2020 0:12:03 GMT
When is the right time for players to stop taking a knee or is there another cause the players can get behind?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2020 0:15:52 GMT
Brilliant!! The comparison with Remembrance Day did occur to me, but I didn’t want to stir the hornets nest. Yeah and me. I'm sick of hearing that bugler every single game, home and away
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Post by skip on Dec 9, 2020 0:33:17 GMT
When is the right time for players to stop taking a knee or is there another cause the players can get behind? Write to Ilias Chair and Bright Osayi-Samuel courtesy of Queens Park Rangers Club and ask them.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2020 0:43:41 GMT
When is the right time for players to stop taking a knee or is there another cause the players can get behind? Write to Ilias Chair and Bright Osayi-Samuel courtesy of Queens Park Rangers Club and ask them. The likelihood I get a reply is next to nothing. What is your opinion, rainbow laces and taking the knee are there any other causes football can be used to promote? Is it time to remove the poppy and remembrance day out of football as an outdated relic that may offend?
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Post by skip on Dec 9, 2020 1:17:31 GMT
Write to Ilias Chair and Bright Osayi-Samuel courtesy of Queens Park Rangers Club and ask them. The likelihood I get a reply is next to nothing. What is your opinion, rainbow laces and taking the knee are there any other causes football can be used to promote? Is it time to remove the poppy and remembrance day out of football as an outdated relic that may offend? Whilst homophobia and racism are still a part of football they should remain. Football needs to grow the fuck up and until it does then the harmless campaigns stay. I’m all for Remembrance Day being acknowledged in football. It doesn’t hurt anyone. But nor does the knee or multi coloured laces. We don’t have to pick sides. That’s what they want us to. My head - and heart - can cope with with gestures of solidarity. It takes nothing away from the enjoyment of the game.
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Post by PotterLog on Dec 9, 2020 1:55:41 GMT
I think that’s a real failure to absorb and comprehend the mood and attitudes of English football fans myself. Probably the first time I’ve seen that from Squires, he’s normally very perceptive.
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Post by spitshaw on Dec 9, 2020 3:56:20 GMT
Everytime i see someone banging on about BLM and Marxism I ask them specifically what does Marxism mean. Not once had a reply yet
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Post by bullring on Dec 9, 2020 7:43:49 GMT
Political extremism
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Post by thevoid on Dec 9, 2020 7:46:52 GMT
Mmmm...Remembrance weekend is one weekend a year. Not six months and counting.
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Post by crapslinger on Dec 9, 2020 7:49:40 GMT
In the Beano sorry Guardian well what a surprise.
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Post by crapslinger on Dec 9, 2020 7:53:06 GMT
Black Power salutes
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Dec 9, 2020 7:59:40 GMT
This is the statement we (the FSA) issued following the Millwall booing. thefsa.org.uk/news/fsa-statement-players-taking-the-knee/One of the best statements I've seen was from the Colchester United Chairman www.cu-fc.com/news/2020/december/club-statement/There are just a few points I would mention. First, it seems to have been forgotten by some that this is a players gesture. You will recall it was started by the Premier League captains. It is not something Clubs or the football authorities are asking or requiring players to do, although they have supported the players on it. The players at each club will decide whether or when to end it. A few have now stopped. QPR had done so, but last night as a result of the booing they and the Millwall players had a new format before their game where players of both sides gathered together behind an anti-racism banner and the Millwall players wore the Kick It Out logo on their shirts. If, when we finally get back in the ground, Stoke players are still taking the knee, I would be deeply saddened if any of our fans booed them. Because that is what those Millwall fans who booed were doing - booing their own players. Second, there has been some debate about the views or intentions of those booing ( and they may not all be the same of course) but there can be little doubt that the act of booing at that point makes a football ground a less welcoming place, particularly for black fans, and therefore whatever those intentions, it has a racist impact. Third, anyone who believes that racism has been eliminated from football is either very naive or in denial.
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Post by Northy on Dec 9, 2020 8:26:11 GMT
When is the right time for players to stop taking a knee or is there another cause the players can get behind? Write to Ilias Chair and Bright Osayi-Samuel courtesy of Queens Park Rangers Club and ask them. The black power salute 2 ?
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Post by partickpotter on Dec 9, 2020 9:09:52 GMT
Everytime i see someone banging on about BLM and Marxism I ask them specifically what does Marxism mean. Not once had a reply yet Hate to see you disappointed... here you are:
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Post by skip on Dec 9, 2020 10:19:47 GMT
This is the statement we (the FSA) issued following the Millwall booing. thefsa.org.uk/news/fsa-statement-players-taking-the-knee/One of the best statements I've seen was from the Colchester United Chairman www.cu-fc.com/news/2020/december/club-statement/There are just a few points I would mention. First, it seems to have been forgotten by some that this is a players gesture. You will recall it was started by the Premier League captains. It is not something Clubs or the football authorities are asking or requiring players to do, although they have supported the players on it. The players at each club will decide whether or when to end it. A few have now stopped. QPR had done so, but last night as a result of the booing they and the Millwall players had a new format before their game where players of both sides gathered together behind an anti-racism banner and the Millwall players wore the Kick It Out logo on their shirts. If, when we finally get back in the ground, Stoke players are still taking the knee, I would be deeply saddened if any of our fans booed them. Because that is what those Millwall fans who booed were doing - booing their own players. Second, there has been some debate about the views or intentions of those booing ( and they may not all be the same of course) but there can be little doubt that the act of booing at that point makes a football ground a less welcoming place, particularly for black fans, and therefore whatever those intentions, it has a racist impact.
Third, anyone who believes that racism has been eliminated from football is either very naive or in denial. ...or silently, doesn't really care.
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Post by Not_Nick_H on Dec 9, 2020 12:00:11 GMT
Is Squires a Stoke fan - or does he have S-o-T connections? I'm never sure.
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Post by apb1 on Dec 9, 2020 12:44:53 GMT
It's literally a peaceful way to show that players stand together against racism. Which is then criticised for being both a do gooding gesture and also, somehow, related to rioting. I can't see why anyone would boo their own players for expressing solidarity with colleagues in a peaceful way. It seems if there are peaceful gestures to make football a more inclusive space, it's all about "virtue signalling woke snowflakes" but if people take part in more overt political acts on the streets they are automatically lumped in with 'violent extremists'. What is supposed to happen instead? Or are people really arguing that racism, sexism and homophobia don't exist in the good old UK? I look forward to some right wing think tank funded bollocks video explaining why anyone kneeling is actually a bomb maker. For information (I wasn't aware of this till recently), the same tactic was used in the 60s with Martin Luther King, who was described as a Marxist/communist/red by those who preferred to keep black people out of milk shake bars. Quite an interesting article on how this happened here: www.nku.edu/~bechtel/chapter6.pdf
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 9, 2020 12:50:47 GMT
Is Squires a Stoke fan - or does he have S-o-T connections? I'm never sure. Swindon fan.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2020 13:04:33 GMT
Personally Im not enjoying football like I used to, is it the intrusive searches going into he game, no doubt covid cops on our return, rainbow laces and BLM statements.
What of Christian Conservatives who may find rainbow laces discomforting.
As for inclusivity the players are free to promote that cause, there is no reason why they should not. Some are finding a ref blowing a whistle just before kick off and the players kneeling not befitting of the cause. I was watching a game in the pub before the lockdown and observed peoples reactions when the 'taking the knee' moment came, eyes were rolled or diverted away from the screen and pints were picked up and sips taken. In part I think its going to make the problem worse if it is continued not better.
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Post by citynickscfc on Dec 9, 2020 13:13:10 GMT
Personally Im not enjoying football like I used to, is it the intrusive searches going into he game, no doubt covid cops on our return, rainbow laces and BLM statements. What of Christian Conservatives who may find rainbow laces discomforting. Best to gain comfort from the past, the future simply isn't for you
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2020 13:19:32 GMT
Personally Im not enjoying football like I used to, is it the intrusive searches going into he game, no doubt covid cops on our return, rainbow laces and BLM statements. What of Christian Conservatives who may find rainbow laces discomforting. Best to gain comfort from the past, the future simply isn't for you Not really maybe the people who are creating this future should do this in another place not another time.
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Post by skip on Dec 9, 2020 13:19:39 GMT
Personally Im not enjoying football like I used to, is it the intrusive searches going into he game, no doubt covid cops on our return, rainbow laces and BLM statements. What of Christian Conservatives who may find rainbow laces discomforting. As for inclusivity the players are free to promote that cause, there is no reason why they should not. Some are finding a ref blowing a whistle just before kick off and the players kneeling not befitting of the cause. I was watching a game in the pub before the lockdown and observed peoples reactions when the 'taking the knee' moment came, eyes were rolled or diverted away from the screen and pints were picked up and sips taken. In part I think its going to make the problem worse if it is continued not better. If Conservative Christians - or any other sect - find the idea of sexual equality discomforting, then perhaps they need to do a little soul searching (pun intended).
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Post by skip on Dec 9, 2020 13:26:04 GMT
Best to gain comfort from the past, the future simply isn't for you Not really maybe the people who are creating this future should do this in another place not another time. Why should they?
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