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Post by sheikhmomo on Dec 16, 2020 23:09:59 GMT
Well, when I posted the Squires comic strip I never thought I would learn on here that there were more moderate members of the National Front. Those would be the ones that objected to the use of the 'N' word on their rallies would it? lol I'm sure there were people in the national front that were more extreme then others maybe a better example would of been the BNP when they were around The old 'he's a racist but he's lovely to his mother', defence!
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Post by RAF on Dec 16, 2020 23:18:22 GMT
lol I'm sure there were people in the national front that were more extreme then others maybe a better example would of been the BNP when they were around The old 'he's a racist but he's lovely to his mother', defence! I also quite like the old 'I want Santosh to win on Masterchef or some of my mates are black so I can't be racist' diatribe, it's so old hat and quite frankly boring. On a sidenote I wonder if Shitrat is still wearing those awful brothel creepers he insisted on wearing? Much more offensive than not taking the knee in my book! H
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Post by spitthedog on Dec 17, 2020 0:03:34 GMT
I haven't taken the knee, so I can be added to to his list as well. In fact, no-one has asked me to. You’re racist then apparently........ see it’s a load of nonsense isn’t it. If people feel the need to do this then go for it, if not then that’s also fine..... Not hard really is it well that is what I have too been saying from the beginning, to exercise tolerance and respect towards those who decide to make the gesture, as well as don't, and no necessity to create drama by pretending that it is being forced on anyone, that anyone is being bullied. That means there is no necessity for anyone to boo someone for doing it, and no necessity to boo anyone because they decide it is not for them, as was said very eloquently in one of first posts on here this morning. Glad that we agree.
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Post by Gods on Dec 17, 2020 0:10:00 GMT
On that basis then there’s about 60 million racists in the UK..... Or are you being facetious? I haven't taken the knee, so I can be added to to his list as well. In fact, no-one has asked me to. Was it Oscar Wilde who said 'Try everything once except folk dancing and incest'. I'm applying this rule for taking the knee. I mean a middle class, middle-aged white man engaging in this kind of tomfoolery would look faintly preposterous
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Post by portugalpotter on Dec 17, 2020 1:23:20 GMT
After 21 pages of bollocks. What don't you all understand ? The reason people are booing is because they are sick of a platform ( football match) being used to put across their views for what it is not intended. If I watch the Oscars I want to see the awards of the film industry. Not a view of a prominent actor/actress/ director or producer that the McDonalds in The Azores wrongfully uses beef from dyslexic cows. Football is the same. 99.999% of people on here are ecstatic when Campbell, McClean, Ince or Coussins score. I would be very surprised if any are disappointed. When Kenwyne scored at Wembley did anyone sit down and protest ? I've seen the whole end or ground singing the praises of Crooks, Fuller, Stein, Sidibe and even Martin Carruthers ! Amongst travelling Glebe buses (80s) or jolly boys outings those fans of Caribbean decent were never treated any differently by the other fans. However , we must listen to the minority, soapbox, snowflakes of this world in 2020. Let's tear down our historic statues and replace it with effigies of unfairly treated American criminals which have nothing to do with the UK. Let's ignore the knife crime and grooming gangs and pretend it's never happened. Let's ignore the fact that the elders of tribes sold their own people in the slavery trade. I just want to watch football. But if one of our players or opponent does something wrong and he's tall , remember it's seven years prison for calling him a gangly twit ! Would just like to add I won't boo, clap or turn my back when I'm next at the game just before kick off. I will be savouring my £5 Carlsberg, £4 cold pie and £3 Yorkie in the concourse and then enter the cauldron of hate.
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Post by PotterLog on Dec 17, 2020 1:24:38 GMT
I haven't taken the knee, so I can be added to to his list as well. In fact, no-one has asked me to. Was it Oscar Wilde who said 'Try everything once except folk dancing and incest'. I'm applying this rule for taking the knee. I mean a middle class, middle-aged white man engaging in this kind of tomfoolery would look faintly preposterous
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Post by franklin on Dec 17, 2020 7:46:56 GMT
Well, when I posted the Squires comic strip I never thought I would learn on here that there were more moderate members of the National Front. Those would be the ones that objected to the use of the 'N' word on their rallies would it? Or that there were extremists in the BLM or did you forget that one. You scoff at the National front and they are extremists but when an extremists is identified in BLM thats ok she's a lone wolf for example. I don't want to be associated with any extremists regardless of what or who they represent I make no exceptions.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Dec 17, 2020 8:12:53 GMT
Well, when I posted the Squires comic strip I never thought I would learn on here that there were more moderate members of the National Front. Those would be the ones that objected to the use of the 'N' word on their rallies would it? Or that there were extremists in the BLM or did you forget that one. You scoff at the National front and they are extremists but when an extremists is identified in BLM thats ok she's a lone wolf for example. I don't want to be associated with any extremists regardless of what or who they represent I make no exceptions. Well said. Skip maybe you need to watch these interviews from Gary McFarlane and Sasha, then you might understand why there’s so much resistance re kneeling to an organisation that they represent. In my opinion they’ve done more damage to what is an admiral cause than any right wing extremist could because they’ve muddied the waters for so many liberal minded people. I know I’ll get the usual response but when you see these 2 maybe you might understand why I can’t kneel to an organisation represented by them. Yep I might be small minded. Yes I’m 100 percent against racism and for equality but these 2 make me feel very uneasy and at the start of the protests they were a very big part of what was going on. Only in recent months have the BBC distanced themselves from the movement and changed there stance on the kneel from being BLM to a fight against racism. For me that’s where from my perspective the confusion lies. If they changed the kneel to more of a sign of unity like the arms around your teammates the confusion would end and to a man/woman I think you’d find almost everyone applauding a very positive gesture. I’ll put my tin hat on.
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Post by ursemboys on Dec 17, 2020 8:22:25 GMT
After 21 pages of bollocks. What don't you all understand ? The reason people are booing is because they are sick of a platform ( football match) being used to put across their views for what it is not intended. If I watch the Oscars I want to see the awards of the film industry. Not a view of a prominent actor/actress/ director or producer that the McDonalds in The Azores wrongfully uses beef from dyslexic cows. Football is the same. 99.999% of people on here are ecstatic when Campbell, McClean, Ince or Coussins score. I would be very surprised if any are disappointed. When Kenwyne scored at Wembley did anyone sit down and protest ? I've seen the whole end or ground singing the praises of Crooks, Fuller, Stein, Sidibe and even Martin Carruthers ! Amongst travelling Glebe buses (80s) or jolly boys outings those fans of Caribbean decent were never treated any differently by the other fans. However , we must listen to the minority, soapbox, snowflakes of this world in 2020. Let's tear down our historic statues and replace it with effigies of unfairly treated American criminals which have nothing to do with the UK. Let's ignore the knife crime and grooming gangs and pretend it's never happened. Let's ignore the fact that the elders of tribes sold their own people in the slavery trade. I just want to watch football. But if one of our players or opponent does something wrong and he's tall , remember it's seven years prison for calling him a gangly twit ! Would just like to add I won't boo, clap or turn my back when I'm next at the game just before kick off. I will be savouring my £5 Carlsberg, £4 cold pie and £3 Yorkie in the concourse and then enter the cauldron of hate. Well said.
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Post by thevoid on Dec 17, 2020 9:41:40 GMT
Or that there were extremists in the BLM or did you forget that one. You scoff at the National front and they are extremists but when an extremists is identified in BLM thats ok she's a lone wolf for example. I don't want to be associated with any extremists regardless of what or who they represent I make no exceptions. Well said. Skip maybe you need to watch these interviews from Gary McFarlane and Sasha, then you might understand why there’s so much resistance re kneeling to an organisation that they represent. In my opinion they’ve done more damage to what is an admiral cause than any right wing extremist could because they’ve muddied the waters for so many liberal minded people. I know I’ll get the usual response but when you see these 2 maybe you might understand why I can’t kneel to an organisation represented by them. Yep I might be small minded. Yes I’m 100 percent against racism and for equality but these 2 make me feel very uneasy and at the start of the protests they were a very big part of what was going on. Only in recent months have the BBC distanced themselves from the movement and changed there stance on the kneel from being BLM to a fight against racism. For me that’s where from my perspective the confusion lies. If they changed the kneel to more of a sign of unity like the arms around your teammates the confusion would end and to a man/woman I think you’d find almost everyone applauding a very positive gesture. I’ll put my tin hat on. Exactly this- if BLM are an anti-racism movement rather than a black nationalist one, why are they named as they are? What about Asians who've suffered racism? As I've said before, I've no problem with groups like Kick It Out as they exist to fight racism of all sorts.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Dec 17, 2020 9:58:28 GMT
After 21 pages of bollocks. What don't you all understand ? The reason people are booing is because they are sick of a platform ( football match) being used to put across their views for what it is not intended. If I watch the Oscars I want to see the awards of the film industry. Not a view of a prominent actor/actress/ director or producer that the McDonalds in The Azores wrongfully uses beef from dyslexic cows. Football is the same. 99.999% of people on here are ecstatic when Campbell, McClean, Ince or Coussins score. I would be very surprised if any are disappointed. When Kenwyne scored at Wembley did anyone sit down and protest ? I've seen the whole end or ground singing the praises of Crooks, Fuller, Stein, Sidibe and even Martin Carruthers ! Amongst travelling Glebe buses (80s) or jolly boys outings those fans of Caribbean decent were never treated any differently by the other fans. However , we must listen to the minority, soapbox, snowflakes of this world in 2020. Let's tear down our historic statues and replace it with effigies of unfairly treated American criminals which have nothing to do with the UK. Let's ignore the knife crime and grooming gangs and pretend it's never happened. Let's ignore the fact that the elders of tribes sold their own people in the slavery trade. I just want to watch football. But if one of our players or opponent does something wrong and he's tall , remember it's seven years prison for calling him a gangly twit ! Would just like to add I won't boo, clap or turn my back when I'm next at the game just before kick off. I will be savouring my £5 Carlsberg, £4 cold pie and £3 Yorkie in the concourse and then enter the cauldron of hate. In other words fuck our players and their entirely self motivated show of solidarity with each other.
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Dec 17, 2020 10:06:26 GMT
After 21 pages of bollocks. What don't you all understand ? The reason people are booing is because they are sick of a platform ( football match) being used to put across their views for what it is not intended. If I watch the Oscars I want to see the awards of the film industry. Not a view of a prominent actor/actress/ director or producer that the McDonalds in The Azores wrongfully uses beef from dyslexic cows. Football is the same. 99.999% of people on here are ecstatic when Campbell, McClean, Ince or Coussins score. I would be very surprised if any are disappointed. When Kenwyne scored at Wembley did anyone sit down and protest ? I've seen the whole end or ground singing the praises of Crooks, Fuller, Stein, Sidibe and even Martin Carruthers ! Amongst travelling Glebe buses (80s) or jolly boys outings those fans of Caribbean decent were never treated any differently by the other fans. However , we must listen to the minority, soapbox, snowflakes of this world in 2020. Let's tear down our historic statues and replace it with effigies of unfairly treated American criminals which have nothing to do with the UK. Let's ignore the knife crime and grooming gangs and pretend it's never happened. Let's ignore the fact that the elders of tribes sold their own people in the slavery trade. I just want to watch football. But if one of our players or opponent does something wrong and he's tall , remember it's seven years prison for calling him a gangly twit ! Would just like to add I won't boo, clap or turn my back when I'm next at the game just before kick off. I will be savouring my £5 Carlsberg, £4 cold pie and £3 Yorkie in the concourse and then enter the cauldron of hate. In other words fuck our players and their entirely self motivated show of solidarity with each other. I would just give up mate, they are thick as shit. Really really thick
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Dec 17, 2020 10:16:46 GMT
Well said. Skip maybe you need to watch these interviews from Gary McFarlane and Sasha, then you might understand why there’s so much resistance re kneeling to an organisation that they represent. In my opinion they’ve done more damage to what is an admiral cause than any right wing extremist could because they’ve muddied the waters for so many liberal minded people. I know I’ll get the usual response but when you see these 2 maybe you might understand why I can’t kneel to an organisation represented by them. Yep I might be small minded. Yes I’m 100 percent against racism and for equality but these 2 make me feel very uneasy and at the start of the protests they were a very big part of what was going on. Only in recent months have the BBC distanced themselves from the movement and changed there stance on the kneel from being BLM to a fight against racism. For me that’s where from my perspective the confusion lies. If they changed the kneel to more of a sign of unity like the arms around your teammates the confusion would end and to a man/woman I think you’d find almost everyone applauding a very positive gesture. I’ll put my tin hat on. Exactly this- if BLM are an anti-racism movement rather than a black nationalist one, why are they named as they are? What about Asians who've suffered racism? As I've said before, I've no problem with groups like Kick It Out as they exist to fight racism of all sorts. My attention was brought to BLM the organisation a couple of years ago. I remember having a look at their mission statement and was pretty concerned at the things that were being said. The entire rhetoric being about anti capatalism and anti western values, anti nuclear family and at the time I looked at it they made no bones about wanting to end the current American political administration (and I it get plenty were in that camp). Interestingly I noted that in all their talk about how families should be based upon a community support system rather than a traditional family they didn't once refer to the word Fathers. Then I did a bit more digging and realised the 3 ladies who started it had suffered abuse from their fathers for their sexual orientation. They had been kicked out of home and banished from their families (not nice so I can sympathise with them there). So whilst they are entitled to their world view when all this stuff kicked off I was amazed with how Sky BBC and the FA etc jumped straight on board with them. I thought how can they have not done any research, that even an idiot like me can do in 10 minutes. Minimal research should have made them think that this could be a can of worms this. Also interesting how the website has hidden many of the ideologies they had over the last 10 months. They were also very much in full support of the Democratic Party in America so surely the BBC should have seen some impartiality issues at the very least! The likes of the BBC, Sky and the premier league etc are 100% to blame for all the confusion now. If they had simply separated themselves from the organisation and made it clear from the start that all they were supporting was the overarching message of "black lives matter" then I don't think many would have batted an eyelid. But they didn't. And what really winds people up now, me included, is that even though these organisations clearly dropped the ball and caused the confusion in the first place they now have the temerity to call people out for having a bit of an issue with it and by default label those very people as bigots. That's a bit rich if yoos ask me seeing as they messed up the messaging in the first place. They should make a formal statement to correct their mistake. But of course they won't.
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Post by RAF on Dec 17, 2020 10:17:28 GMT
After 21 pages of bollocks. What don't you all understand ? The reason people are booing is because they are sick of a platform ( football match) being used to put across their views for what it is not intended. If I watch the Oscars I want to see the awards of the film industry. Not a view of a prominent actor/actress/ director or producer that the McDonalds in The Azores wrongfully uses beef from dyslexic cows. Football is the same. 99.999% of people on here are ecstatic when Campbell, McClean, Ince or Coussins score. I would be very surprised if any are disappointed. When Kenwyne scored at Wembley did anyone sit down and protest ? I've seen the whole end or ground singing the praises of Crooks, Fuller, Stein, Sidibe and even Martin Carruthers ! Amongst travelling Glebe buses (80s) or jolly boys outings those fans of Caribbean decent were never treated any differently by the other fans. However , we must listen to the minority, soapbox, snowflakes of this world in 2020. Let's tear down our historic statues and replace it with effigies of unfairly treated American criminals which have nothing to do with the UK. Let's ignore the knife crime and grooming gangs and pretend it's never happened. Let's ignore the fact that the elders of tribes sold their own people in the slavery trade. I just want to watch football. But if one of our players or opponent does something wrong and he's tall , remember it's seven years prison for calling him a gangly twit ! Would just like to add I won't boo, clap or turn my back when I'm next at the game just before kick off. I will be savouring my £5 Carlsberg, £4 cold pie and £3 Yorkie in the concourse and then enter the cauldron of hate. In other words fuck our players and their entirely self motivated show of solidarity with each other. Self motivated? I'm not quite convinced of that, however it doesn't offend me either way. Whether they want to do it or feel pressured to do it. It does however concern me that players might be scared not to do it because of reprisals or labelling. H
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Post by RAF on Dec 17, 2020 10:35:56 GMT
In other words fuck our players and their entirely self motivated show of solidarity with each other. I would just give up mate, they are thick as shit. Really really thick Great feedback, and thoroughly helpful. H
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Post by sheikhmomo on Dec 17, 2020 10:36:50 GMT
In other words fuck our players and their entirely self motivated show of solidarity with each other. Self motivated? I'm not quite convinced of that, however it doesn't offend me either way. Whether they want to do it or feel pressured to do it. It does however concern me that players might be scared not to do it because of reprisals or labelling. H It came directly from the players. It was their choice to do something and their choice on how to show solidarity. It can be dressed up however people want but when it's boiled down to it's purest form, those who boo are having a go at players for standing by one another and seemingly wont stop booing until the players do something that is palatable to them.
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Post by RAF on Dec 17, 2020 10:42:13 GMT
Self motivated? I'm not quite convinced of that, however it doesn't offend me either way. Whether they want to do it or feel pressured to do it. It does however concern me that players might be scared not to do it because of reprisals or labelling. H It came directly from the players. It was their choice to do something and their choice on how to show solidarity. It can be dressed up however people want but when it's boiled down to it's purest form, those who boo are having a go at players for standing by one another and seemingly wont stop booing until the players do something that is palatable to them. I don't want to be a cunt about this which may surprise you :) But how do you know that some of the players felt they had to go along with this so called 'solidarity'? Peer pressure is a mother fucker! H
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Post by crapslinger on Dec 17, 2020 11:02:42 GMT
In other words fuck our players and their entirely self motivated show of solidarity with each other. I would just give up mate, they are thick as shit. Really really thick Another caring sharing member of the left showing their true colours on this board, start losing resort to abuse.
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Dec 17, 2020 11:19:05 GMT
Self motivated? I'm not quite convinced of that, however it doesn't offend me either way. Whether they want to do it or feel pressured to do it. It does however concern me that players might be scared not to do it because of reprisals or labelling. H It came directly from the players. It was their choice to do something and their choice on how to show solidarity. It can be dressed up however people want but when it's boiled down to it's purest form, those who boo are having a go at players for standing by one another and seemingly wont stop booing until the players do something that is palatable to them. I think you are wrong. Just because some people have looked into this a bit more deeply and refuse to just jump on a bandwagon because the media are telling them they must doesn't make them bad people. God forbid we end up living in a society where we all simply have to fall in line with the general consensus and do what the BBC tell us we must must do. And at the risk of being ever so slightly stereotypical, your average footballer isn't where I find my intellectual or lifestyle inspirations. The footballers are ever so slightly compromised. Keeping hold of your 3 year 20k a week salary is quite the motivation to not upset the apple cart I think you might find.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Dec 17, 2020 11:23:23 GMT
It came directly from the players. It was their choice to do something and their choice on how to show solidarity. It can be dressed up however people want but when it's boiled down to it's purest form, those who boo are having a go at players for standing by one another and seemingly wont stop booing until the players do something that is palatable to them. I think you are wrong. Just because some people have looked into this a bit more deeply and refuse to just jump on a bandwagon because the media are telling them they must doesn't make them bad people. God forbid we end up living in a society where we all simply have to fall in line with the general consensus and do what the BBC tell us we must must do. And at the risk of being ever so slightly stereotypical, your average footballer isn't where I find my intellectual or lifestyle inspirations. The footballers are ever so slightly compromised. Keeping hold of your 3 year 20k a week salary is quite the motivation to not upset the apple cart I think you might find. More contempt for players because they're not doing something that is palatable to YOU.
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Post by partickpotter on Dec 17, 2020 11:23:44 GMT
It came directly from the players. It was their choice to do something and their choice on how to show solidarity. It can be dressed up however people want but when it's boiled down to it's purest form, those who boo are having a go at players for standing by one another and seemingly wont stop booing until the players do something that is palatable to them. I don't want to be a cunt about this which may surprise you But how do you know that some of the players felt they had to go along with this so called 'solidarity'? Peer pressure is a mother fucker! H Indeed. How else to explain why Mahlon Romeo didn’t take the knee for Millwall when they played QPR. He’s the player standing up doing the black power salute in the video below. Btw - the Millwall fans applauded him as he left the pitch holding a Kick It Out shirt at the end of the game.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Dec 17, 2020 11:25:03 GMT
In other words fuck our players and their entirely self motivated show of solidarity with each other. I would just give up mate, they are thick as shit. Really really thick It's a thread that's gone down a well worn and familiar oatcake path isn't it, just like thousands on the EE board. They try to dress it up but it's not really far beneath the surface is it?
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Post by franklin on Dec 17, 2020 11:28:39 GMT
I would just give up mate, they are thick as shit. Really really thick Great feedback, and thoroughly helpful. H It seems tolerance is a one way street 🤷♂️
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Post by sheikhmomo on Dec 17, 2020 11:32:35 GMT
And now the victim cards start getting played. Absolute textbook
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Post by RAF on Dec 17, 2020 11:36:22 GMT
And now the victim cards start getting played. Absolute textbook :D Answer my question. H
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Post by sheikhmomo on Dec 17, 2020 11:42:13 GMT
And now the victim cards start getting played. Absolute textbook Answer my question. H What question?
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Post by RAF on Dec 17, 2020 11:45:02 GMT
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Post by sheikhmomo on Dec 17, 2020 11:56:59 GMT
Are you saying that the majority of players are doing it under sufferance?
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Dec 17, 2020 11:59:56 GMT
I think you are wrong. Just because some people have looked into this a bit more deeply and refuse to just jump on a bandwagon because the media are telling them they must doesn't make them bad people. God forbid we end up living in a society where we all simply have to fall in line with the general consensus and do what the BBC tell us we must must do. And at the risk of being ever so slightly stereotypical, your average footballer isn't where I find my intellectual or lifestyle inspirations. The footballers are ever so slightly compromised. Keeping hold of your 3 year 20k a week salary is quite the motivation to not upset the apple cart I think you might find. More contempt for players because they're not doing something that is palatable to YOU. Wrong again. If they want to do it because they are supporting colleagues then I have very clearly said I am ok with it, even if I find bending a knee an act of submission (I wouldn't kneel before anybody personally). If they are doing it because they support a divisive political organisation then I am very much against it because that kind of politics has no place in sport. As I have also said very clearly the fault for all this lies with organisations like the BBC not doing their proper due diligence in the first place and as a result imposing their misguided view onto all of us in a manner that made it a case of obey us, support us and ask no questions or you will be cast out as a bigot. No thanks, I like thinking for myself ta.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Dec 17, 2020 12:05:08 GMT
More contempt for players because they're not doing something that is palatable to YOU. I find bending a knee an act of submission (I wouldn't kneel before anybody personally). . That was dismissed as bunkum when the detestable Mr Raab spouted it weeks ago.
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