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Post by generationex on Sept 22, 2021 22:30:02 GMT
Unregulated gambling’s time is nearly up.
Let’s hope we get back into the big money league before the taps get turned off.
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Post by thebet365 on Sept 22, 2021 22:49:36 GMT
A chance for us to advertise the Donna Louise Trust or Caudwell Children on our shirts then. It would be a good way of the club and our very generous owners supporting a local charity. As great a gesture as that is, what about our budget? We'll lose several million in sponsorship. FFP doesn't allow the owners to just put millions in for fun unfortunately.
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Post by Little Gary Patel on Sept 23, 2021 10:44:14 GMT
Unregulated gambling’s time is nearly up. Let’s hope we get back into the big money league before the taps get turned off. It's one of the most regulated industries in the UK
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Post by heworksardtho on Sept 23, 2021 11:21:30 GMT
A chance for us to advertise the Donna Louise Trust or Caudwell Children on our shirts then. It would be a good way of the club and our very generous owners supporting a local charity. As great a gesture as that is, what about our budget? We'll lose several million in sponsorship. FFP doesn't allow the owners to just put millions in for fun unfortunately. It’s crazy that you can’t invest in your own business, FFP only came in to keep it a closed shop , while Man Utd have an operating debt of £500 million or more
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Post by nott1 on Sept 23, 2021 11:38:26 GMT
It won't stop the addicts making the bookies rich!
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Post by potterrotter on Sept 23, 2021 11:38:46 GMT
Don see the issue with not being able to have bet 365 on the front of our shirt. There's always the back 😉
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Post by RF10 on Sept 23, 2021 11:44:15 GMT
Would the Denise Coates foundation be the sponsorship?
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Post by cheadlepotter on Sept 23, 2021 12:20:50 GMT
I guess it’ll hurt the smaller gambling firms more. I’d imagine the majority of folk who watch football knew about bet365 before they sponsored our shirts but of the many Premier League shirts sponsored by gambling firms I’ve only heard of betway and that’s coming from someone who spent years in the industry, albeit at high street level. I’d imagine many others won’t have heard of them either.
Where do we draw the line though? The aim of this ban isn’t to discourage irresponsible gambling, it’s to reduce the amount of custom the gambling firms get. And if that’s the aim why not get to the point of what they want to do and just ban gambling completely?
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Post by spiderpuss on Sept 23, 2021 12:48:19 GMT
Why just shirts? Anyone who went to Watford on Tuesday will have noticed "Stake.com" was emblazoned absolutely everywhere. It was permanently on the TV screens and practically on EVERY advertising hoarding possible. And will it be the shirt that players wear or ALL shirts sold? The shirts that players wear are only seen for 90mins. Plus people tend to concentrate on the action rather than some wobbly writing on the shirt. If the club sell different shirts with a betting sponsor are those in this ruling? Will this also be applied to stadium name? As usual just banning something won't solve the problem.
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Post by Billy the kid on Sept 23, 2021 13:02:24 GMT
I wonder if they would get away with setting up another charity "the BET365 foundation"
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Post by Widget123 on Sept 23, 2021 14:16:32 GMT
Why just shirts? Anyone who went to Watford on Tuesday will have noticed "Stake.com" was emblazoned absolutely everywhere. It was permanently on the TV screens and practically on EVERY advertising hoarding possible. And will it be the shirt that players wear or ALL shirts sold? The shirts that players wear are only seen for 90mins. Plus people tend to concentrate on the action rather than some wobbly writing on the shirt. If the club sell different shirts with a betting sponsor are those in this ruling? Will this also be applied to stadium name? As usual just banning something won't solve the problem. You're spot on! That's exactly the problem isn't it - there is no point putting out a candle if the entire room is already on fire. If they go ahead with the idea its simple gesture politics a bit like the sugar tax - its made almost no difference to sales (its about 8p on a can of coke) but was splashed everywhere as the saviour of the UK from sugar.
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Post by tinofspam on Sept 23, 2021 14:56:04 GMT
Don see the issue with not being able to have bet 365 on the front of our shirt. There's always the back 😉 😂 glad I’m not the only one that thought this, the backs of shirts will now be the gambling advertisement board, potentially just as good in some ways
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Post by dirtclod on Sept 23, 2021 14:59:04 GMT
Bans are just a self-righteous political toy to fool voters into thinking that a government is "serious" about something. Criminals and addicts ignore bans. The gambling addicts have already been hooked - gambling has already been made legal. Morality can't be legislated, an individual must have the desire to be moral.
How's that illegal opioid ban working?
So they ban gambling logos on shirts - then the pharmaceutical industry will step in as they are the only ones with that kind of money left. Our teams become "pill-pushers," I'm not sure what's worse.
I really don't notice shirt logos when trying to watch a match and it's certainly not going to make me buy a product. Emblazon "Tampax" & "Astra Zeneca" across all the jerseys and get on with it.
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Post by wherty on Sept 23, 2021 15:39:41 GMT
Why just shirts? Anyone who went to Watford on Tuesday will have noticed "Stake.com" was emblazoned absolutely everywhere. It was permanently on the TV screens and practically on EVERY advertising hoarding possible. And will it be the shirt that players wear or ALL shirts sold? The shirts that players wear are only seen for 90mins. Plus people tend to concentrate on the action rather than some wobbly writing on the shirt. If the club sell different shirts with a betting sponsor are those in this ruling? Will this also be applied to stadium name? As usual just banning something won't solve the problem. The sponsor is also on the 8000 shirts that get sold every season.
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Post by obhstokie on Sept 23, 2021 18:27:16 GMT
So is it just the shirts in football? So are stadiums OK?
Or league sponsors? Doesn't seem fair we have to lose bet365 money but the Sky Bet Championshop can continue to have a betting company for a name!
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Post by stokie1130 on Sept 24, 2021 7:13:00 GMT
On the one hand I think this whole industry needs to be de-glamourised and this would be a step in the right direction but on the other hand there’s probably no club in the country more reliant on money from the gambling industry than we are! Should we support this or be against it? BM I have never been too happy with the stadium name since the change, but understood the need for it, how much is this going to screw us? Is it just the front of the shirt? Or will it be the stadiums aswell, because that is the majority of our income down the drain if so, I feel it another twist in the arm from the big boys keeping things in order with FFP, FFP needs to be gone
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Post by LH_SCFC on Jun 29, 2022 20:45:57 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 29, 2022 20:47:45 GMT
What a load of shit.
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Post by thewonderstuff on Jun 29, 2022 21:00:00 GMT
A lot of UK focussed Gambling firms wont have the revenue for big sponsorships when these changes hit so its all a bit of a moot point.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jun 29, 2022 21:09:27 GMT
Gambling costs lives just the same as alcohol and cigerettes, it’s obscene sports teams are sponsored by these firms and I absolutely include Stoke in that. I’ve heard Everton fans have launched a petition against their shirt sponsors this season and good on em. To see gambling and bingo adverts in the day turns my stomach. I know somebody who killed himself due to gambling debts, if that’s not enough to end sponsorship I don’t know what is
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Post by kustokie on Jun 29, 2022 21:23:28 GMT
They'll react best because they always do but if some of the changes mooted go through, there's no way they'll keep their profitability at current levels. Quite a concern. Arent the gambling laws in America also changing in some way? I thought this was the next 'pot of honey' Denise was wanting to dip her fingers into..... Yes It’s already arrived after the US Supreme Court’s ruling that the federal ban on gambling was unconstitutional and restriction of trade. I have been here 41 years and never seen horse racing on TV, except the three triple crown races. Now it’s on all the time. They are even showing the odds during live golf tournaments.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 29, 2022 21:25:35 GMT
Arent the gambling laws in America also changing in some way? I thought this was the next 'pot of honey' Denise was wanting to dip her fingers into..... Yes It’s already arrived after the US Supreme Court’s ruling that the federal ban on gambling was unconstitutional and restriction of trade. I have been here 41 years and never seen horse racing on TV, except the three triple crown races. Now it’s on all the time. They are even showing the odds during live golf tournaments. I watched a baseball game the other month and it had a bet365 on the side. Must be making them a fortune.
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Post by liathroid on Jun 29, 2022 21:35:38 GMT
Yes It’s already arrived after the US Supreme Court’s ruling that the federal ban on gambling was unconstitutional and restriction of trade. I have been here 41 years and never seen horse racing on TV, except the three triple crown races. Now it’s on all the time. They are even showing the odds during live golf tournaments. I watched a baseball game the other month and it had a bet365 on the side. Must be making them a fortune. there linked to The PGA Tour now
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 29, 2022 21:37:30 GMT
I watched a baseball game the other month and it had a bet365 on the side. Must be making them a fortune. there linked to The PGA Tour now Good stuff. They’ll be making a fortune. For my criticism of them and how they run us, you can’t argue with how Denise has run bet365. Totally ruthless.
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Post by cvillestokie on Jun 29, 2022 21:42:19 GMT
There’s a pretty decent amount of literature out there to suggest that excess caffeine leads to numerous problems, including for example, decreased sperm count.
I think that Carabou should be banned from the league cup.
Excess anything is bad for you, it doesn’t mean that the world should stop because of it.
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Post by liathroid on Jun 29, 2022 21:54:31 GMT
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Post by Vadiation_Ribe on Jun 29, 2022 22:48:36 GMT
I don't know how banning shirt sponsorship would make a difference? If someone is going to gamble, isn't it one company or the other?
Surely banning betting companies from targeting certain customers in the way they do is more beneficial?
People have committed suicide due to debts they've built up from overspending on products that are nothing to do with gambling, so will everything be banned one day?
The problems stem from society in general, and nothing will really improve until everyday social issues are improved.
As well as that, one of the main problems is that spending money is far too easy these days, whether that's gambling or online shopping. No effort required.
Maybe some sort of convoluted pin system for apps and websites for people showing signs of compulsive gambling or shopping habits should be introduced. Though that'd require companies (and probably the government) sharing and tracking even more data about everyone.
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Post by dirtclod on Jun 29, 2022 23:31:16 GMT
I propose that henceforth, bans be banned.
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Post by cvillestokie on Jun 29, 2022 23:59:41 GMT
I don't know how banning shirt sponsorship would make a difference? If someone is going to gamble, isn't it one company or the other? Surely banning betting companies from targeting certain customers in the way they do is more beneficial? People have committed suicide due to debts they've built up from overspending on products that are nothing to do with gambling, so will everything be banned one day? The problems stem from society in general, and nothing will really improve until everyday social issues are improved. As well as that, one of the main problems is that spending money is far too easy these days, whether that's gambling or online shopping. No effort required. Maybe some sort of convoluted pin system for apps and websites for people showing signs of compulsive gambling or shopping habits should be introduced. Though that'd require companies (and probably the government) sharing and tracking even more data about everyone. Or maybe people should just be held responsible for their actions? The government doesn’t have to introduce legislation to safeguard every aspect of every person’s life. I have a major issue with alcohol. Now i don’t drink often and I take long periods off when I recognize issues creeping in. I don’t need the government to ban alcohol for me though.
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Post by cvillestokie on Jun 30, 2022 0:29:59 GMT
Arent the gambling laws in America also changing in some way? I thought this was the next 'pot of honey' Denise was wanting to dip her fingers into..... Yes It’s already arrived after the US Supreme Court’s ruling that the federal ban on gambling was unconstitutional and restriction of trade. I have been here 41 years and never seen horse racing on TV, except the three triple crown races. Now it’s on all the time. They are even showing the odds during live golf tournaments. Draft Kings gives odds on WWE, which I just find hilarious to be honest!
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