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Post by BristolMick on Dec 4, 2020 8:03:06 GMT
On the one hand I think this whole industry needs to be de-glamourised and this would be a step in the right direction but on the other hand there’s probably no club in the country more reliant on money from the gambling industry than we are! Should we support this or be against it?
BM
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Dec 4, 2020 8:05:53 GMT
One the one hand I think this whole industry needs to be de-glamourised and this would be a step in the right direction but on the other hand there’s probably no club in the country more reliant on money from the gambling industry than we are! Should we support this or be against it? BM It’s about time gambling sponsors on shirts were banned or maybe on a sleeve, tv adverts should be banned at least until after the watershed
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Post by crowey on Dec 4, 2020 8:11:30 GMT
.... at least they didn’t use the bet365 logo in the article
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Post by Caerwrangonpotter on Dec 4, 2020 8:12:00 GMT
Clubs would still find a way around it no doubt. Maybe going the way of some South American clubs with around a dozen sponsors all over the shirt
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Post by klingon on Dec 4, 2020 8:15:22 GMT
What are the odds on a ban?
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Post by Linx on Dec 4, 2020 8:21:33 GMT
While I appreciate bet365’s financial clout that underpins the club, I have always been slightly uncomfortable with it, and especially have always disliked the renaming of the stadium. I know it’s all money these days, but couldn’t a more geographically or culturally referenced, more permanent, name for the stadium have been used, like The Potteries Stadium, or The Six Towns Stadium, or something? And what was wrong with Cristal Tiles anyway?
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Post by The battheader chronicles on Dec 4, 2020 8:33:52 GMT
While I appreciate bet365’s financial clout that underpins the club, I have always been slightly uncomfortable with it, and especially have always disliked the renaming of the stadium. I know it’s all money these days, but couldn’t a more geographically or culturally referenced, more permanent, name for the stadium have been used, like The Potteries Stadium, or The Six Towns Stadium, or something? And what was wrong with Cristal Tiles anyway? I agree, as much as the Coates family are about as good billionaires and owners as you could wish to find. they undoubtedly make a lot of money through the suffering of vulnerable people, although I do understand the counter argument about personal responsibility
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Post by mattyd2 on Dec 4, 2020 8:51:29 GMT
I wonder if they will do what F1 did and have similar logos to actual gambling logos. One famous one was Buzzing Hornets which looked remarkably like Benson & Hedges. And in motorcycling they had Lucky Stryer, which looked like Lucky Strike.
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Post by walrus on Dec 4, 2020 8:54:20 GMT
If the goal here is reducing the marketing reach of betting firms to protect vulnerable people from developing gambling problems, then I doubt how effective it would be if there wasn’t also a ban on TV advertising and sponsorship of sporting events.
There’s no point removing a valuable source of revenue from clubs if people are still going to be bombarded by adverts for Paddy Power and Betway every time they turn on the TV to watch the SkyBet Football League or the William Hill World Darts Championship.
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Post by skemstokie on Dec 4, 2020 9:19:55 GMT
If the goal here is reducing the marketing reach of betting firms to protect vulnerable people from developing gambling problems, then I doubt how effective it would be if there wasn’t also a ban on TV advertising and sponsorship of sporting events. There’s no point removing a valuable source of revenue from clubs if people are still going to be bombarded by adverts for Paddy Power and Betway every time they turn on the TV to watch the SkyBet Football League or the William Hill World Darts Championship. I am older enough to remember no legitimate betting shops where i was raised,it just puts money (through runners)into illegal underground organisations with no control.Some people will gamble on anything and always will,keep legal taxable and controlled.
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Post by wuzza on Dec 4, 2020 9:26:06 GMT
It would be the ultimate irony (and a very Stoke type situation) if a wonderful local owner of a club was hounded out of the game while a plethora of foreign owners bent on destroying the structure of our game are allowed to run amok - especially as the source of their funds in many cases really does not bare close examination!!
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Post by generationex on Dec 4, 2020 9:30:17 GMT
Only a matter of time before gambling is regulated again.
Got to hope we get back to the money league before the taps are turned off!
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Post by walrus on Dec 4, 2020 9:33:46 GMT
If the goal here is reducing the marketing reach of betting firms to protect vulnerable people from developing gambling problems, then I doubt how effective it would be if there wasn’t also a ban on TV advertising and sponsorship of sporting events. There’s no point removing a valuable source of revenue from clubs if people are still going to be bombarded by adverts for Paddy Power and Betway every time they turn on the TV to watch the SkyBet Football League or the William Hill World Darts Championship. I am older enough to remember no legitimate betting shops where i was raised,it just puts money (through runners)into illegal underground organisations with no control.Some people will gamble on anything and always will,keep legal taxable and controlled. I 100% agree. Please don’t take my comment to be some sort of puritanical anti-gambling stance. My point is more that the proliferation of betting adverts on tv is so huge that stopping clubs having shirt sponsorship from gambling firms without stopping gambling firms advertising on tv would be a mistake as it would have a relatively minor impact on stopping irresponsible gambling but a major impact on many clubs’ finances.
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Post by cheadlepotter on Dec 4, 2020 9:47:21 GMT
If we’re going to ban gambling advertising then fast-food and alcohol advertising should be banned also.
Obesity costs the NHS and society billions each year and according to the NHS website 1 in 7 premature deaths could be prevented by people being a healthy weight. The statistics on alcohol abuse are also similar and both cause misery on families.
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Post by TrentValePotter96 on Dec 4, 2020 9:52:23 GMT
I think we are that near that stage where they are banned from the shirt and tbh its probably the right one. Where that leaves Stoke I don't know.
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Post by TrentValePotter96 on Dec 4, 2020 9:53:50 GMT
I think the issue is mainly just how big an hold it has on the game. The adverts seem everywhere and its often seems difficult to watch or listen to something without being told to gamble. Must be incredibly difficult for a former gambling addict
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Dec 4, 2020 9:55:52 GMT
If they do have to drop the name of the Stadium, I'd like to go back to the original Britannia name, possibly in combination with the name of a new main sponsor. So the JCB Britannia or something similar would suit the bill and we fans could simply carry on calling it "The Brit".
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Post by sheikhmomo on Dec 4, 2020 9:55:58 GMT
I think there are far more worrying things in the pipeline for the funding of the club if the Gambling Commission and Government get their way.
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Post by BristolMick on Dec 4, 2020 10:32:36 GMT
I think there are far more worrying things in the pipeline for the funding of the club if the Gambling Commission and Government get their way. Like? BM
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Post by sheikhmomo on Dec 4, 2020 10:38:42 GMT
I think there are far more worrying things in the pipeline for the funding of the club if the Gambling Commission and Government get their way. Like? BM This sort of bollocks is being genuine credence at very senior levels of the regulator and Government. It will change the landscape of betting in this country beyond recognition and have a direct impact on profitability. egr.global/intel/news/gambling-commission-contemplates-100-monthly-loss-limit-as-call-for-evidence-continues/If it gets the go ahead, there will be far fewer conkers knocking about for Daddy and Bro's plaything of paying dog average footballers £40k a week.
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Post by wuzza on Dec 4, 2020 10:43:59 GMT
If Mr Coates was a Tory party funder I’m sure things would be ‘sorted’ very quickly ! However the company didn’t build its fortune by being slow to react to changing market situations so I’m sure Denise will be on the case and making sure they don’t lose out.
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Post by RF10 on Dec 4, 2020 10:56:26 GMT
I wonder if they will do what F1 did and have similar logos to actual gambling logos. One famous one was Buzzing Hornets which looked remarkably like Benson & Hedges. And in motorcycling they had Lucky Stryer, which looked like Lucky Strike. Or like Ferrari did with the bar code for Malboro cigarettes.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Dec 4, 2020 11:16:53 GMT
If Mr Coates was a Tory party funder I’m sure things would be ‘sorted’ very quickly ! However the company didn’t build its fortune by being slow to react to changing market situations so I’m sure Denise will be on the case and making sure they don’t lose out. They'll react best because they always do but if some of the changes mooted go through, there's no way they'll keep their profitability at current levels. Quite a concern.
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Post by SamB_SCFC on Dec 4, 2020 11:25:57 GMT
Whatever happened to personal responsibility? Nobody forces anyone to part with their money on these apps or at betting shops. People choose to do it and if they are unable to control themselves they have to live with the consequences.
I'm not saying gambling firms are perfect and they probably should be regulated more. But I don't think a valuable source of income should be removed from the game because some people can't control themselves.
It's different from when tobacco companies were forced to stop advertising in sport and life in general. Unlike smoking, it's possible to enjoy betting in a healthy, sustainable way. Don't punish the majority because of a minority.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Dec 4, 2020 11:36:48 GMT
Whatever happened to personal responsibility? Nobody forces anyone to part with their money on these apps or at betting shops. People choose to do it and if they are unable to control themselves they have to live with the consequences. I'm not saying gambling firms are perfect and they probably should be regulated more. But I don't think a valuable source of income should be removed from the game because some people can't control themselves. It's different from when tobacco companies were forced to stop advertising in sport and life in general. Unlike smoking, it's possible to enjoy betting in a healthy, sustainable way. Don't punish the majority because of a minority. The gambling industry is already one of the most heavily regulated industries in the country. Other than banking there is no other industry that has such a burden of proving affordability. The problem is it's paying for it's previous sins where new on line firms were virtually unregulated for a decade. It is mental though, there is no other purchase whether it be goods or services that necessitates you to rock up with your full personal financial history before being able to transact but that's where gambling is headed sadly and it will hit bottom lines significantly across the board.
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Post by wuzza on Dec 4, 2020 11:39:05 GMT
If Mr Coates was a Tory party funder I’m sure things would be ‘sorted’ very quickly ! However the company didn’t build its fortune by being slow to react to changing market situations so I’m sure Denise will be on the case and making sure they don’t lose out. They'll react best because they always do but if some of the changes mooted go through, there's no way they'll keep their profitability at current levels. Quite a concern. Let’s hope Boris’ libertarian instincts are still as strong as they were when he started out on his Covid catastrophe !!!
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Dec 4, 2020 12:03:28 GMT
If the goal here is reducing the marketing reach of betting firms to protect vulnerable people from developing gambling problems, then I doubt how effective it would be if there wasn’t also a ban on TV advertising and sponsorship of sporting events. There’s no point removing a valuable source of revenue from clubs if people are still going to be bombarded by adverts for Paddy Power and Betway every time they turn on the TV to watch the SkyBet Football League or the William Hill World Darts Championship. Them bingo adverts need banning as well, full stop!
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Post by iglugluk on Dec 4, 2020 12:04:52 GMT
I find this a complicated moral issue but ultimately personal responsibility has to be taken by the individual otherwise the whole country has to cut it's cloth according to the perceived limitations of others. Sport and gambling are inextricably linked and always will be. The instinct of governments to tax and regulate society to control it's habits encourages abrogation of personal responsibility, I'd say, plus it rarely achieves the desired result anyway. Prohibition in the USA was a prime example of that. If this government want less gambling addicts it should start by closing the economic gaps that encourage badly educated people to make poor and uninformed life choices in the hope that they will strike it BIG and enter into a better more golden tinged life. But hey? That would be helping out poor people at the expense of the richer and luckier ones ( they generally say hard working and resent any implication that they may have benefited from luck but luck nearly always plays a part in ones fortunes in life as far as I'm concerned ) A groundswell of disenfranchised people represents a danger to society and financial crashes and economic breakdowns lead to instability. There is a much bigger issue happening than fiddling with gambling rules, I reckon.
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Post by spitthedog on Dec 4, 2020 12:07:37 GMT
Whatever happened to personal responsibility? Nobody forces anyone to part with their money on these apps or at betting shops. People choose to do it and if they are unable to control themselves they have to live with the consequences. I'm not saying gambling firms are perfect and they probably should be regulated more. But I don't think a valuable source of income should be removed from the game because some people can't control themselves. It's different from when tobacco companies were forced to stop advertising in sport and life in general. Unlike smoking, it's possible to enjoy betting in a healthy, sustainable way. Don't punish the majority because of a minority. I used to feel like this until my best friends wonderful 24 year old son tragically took his own life because of online gambling debts. It made me aware of how young people who are into sport especially are saturated in betting promotions and how normalised and cool young people think it is. In fact it can be deadly. I don’t think anyone is saying it is going to be banned so there will be plenty of opportunities for those who get their fun, but there needs to be more checks imho.
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Post by spitthedog on Dec 4, 2020 12:11:18 GMT
I find this a complicated moral issue but ultimately personal responsibility has to be taken by the individual otherwise the whole country has to cut it's cloth according to the perceived limitations of others. Sport and gambling are inextricably linked and always will be. The instinct of governments to tax and regulate society to control it's habits encourages abrogation of personal responsibility, I'd say, plus it rarely achieves the desired result anyway. Prohibition in the USA was a prime example of that. If this government want less gambling addicts it should start by closing the economic gaps that encourage badly educated people to make poor and uninformed life choices in the hope that they will strike it BIG and enter into a better more golden tinged life. But hey? That would be helping out poor people at the expense of the richer and luckier ones ( they generally say hard working and resent any implication that they may have benefited from luck but luck nearly always plays a part in ones fortunes in life as far as I'm concerned ) A groundswell of disenfranchised people represents a danger to society and financial crashes and economic breakdowns lead to instability. There is a much bigger issue happening than fiddling with gambling rules, I reckon. I think you make some valid points but part of the problem is an over-reaction from the Freedom of Speech type lobbyists. There is not going to be Prohibition of Gambling ever! Regulation and Prohibition are 2 very different things.
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