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Post by davejohnno1 on Mar 19, 2021 17:58:06 GMT
Don't get why we would reject it. Surely it's better that he's playing somewhere, anywhere, than he is sitting on his arse on a matchday. If I was him I'd be begging to get back out on loan somewhere.
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Post by robwahlmann on Mar 19, 2021 18:00:22 GMT
Don't get why we would reject it. Surely it's better that he's playing somewhere, anywhere, than he is sitting on his arse on a matchday. If I was him I'd be begging to get back out on loan somewhere. They should have asked for Gunn!
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Post by Caerwrangonpotter on Mar 19, 2021 18:06:36 GMT
That will probably be Accrington enquiring as their 1st choice is now out for the season
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Post by Veritas on Mar 19, 2021 18:13:52 GMT
Don't get why we would reject it. Surely it's better that he's playing somewhere, anywhere, than he is sitting on his arse on a matchday. If I was him I'd be begging to get back out on loan somewhere. It all depends on where it was going to be.
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Mar 19, 2021 18:31:02 GMT
Joe has definitely got to be one of our two match day keepers next season!!! For me it's has to be between Davies and Bursik!!! 👍🏼
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Post by davejohnno1 on Mar 19, 2021 18:35:23 GMT
Don't get why we would reject it. Surely it's better that he's playing somewhere, anywhere, than he is sitting on his arse on a matchday. If I was him I'd be begging to get back out on loan somewhere. It all depends on where it was going to be. Why? Playing league football has to be better than not playing at all surely?
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Post by prestwichpotter on Mar 19, 2021 18:40:22 GMT
Not in the u-23 line up tonight either. If it was Accrington I agree would have been a better option than getting no game time here.....
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2021 18:51:23 GMT
Don't get why we would reject it. Surely it's better that he's playing somewhere, anywhere, than he is sitting on his arse on a matchday. If I was him I'd be begging to get back out on loan somewhere. The club has to think of its own needs first and foremost. It's only going to take an injury to Davies tomorrow and we have no quality cover for whoever gets the first team place instead. If Gunn then injures himself, and Bursik's away on loan, then what? That's more or less exactly what happened before this season, and if happened once it can happen again. A serious club should always have three quality keepers on call, and we've had that for several years. The only reason we temporarily didn't this season, I put down to inexperience on the part of the manager. I see he's not making the same mistake twice, so I applaud him for that!
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Post by davejohnno1 on Mar 19, 2021 19:40:10 GMT
Don't get why we would reject it. Surely it's better that he's playing somewhere, anywhere, than he is sitting on his arse on a matchday. If I was him I'd be begging to get back out on loan somewhere. The club has to think of its own needs first and foremost. It's only going to take an injury to Davies tomorrow and we have no quality cover for whoever gets the first team place instead. If Gunn then injures himself, and Bursik's away on loan, then what? That's more or less exactly what happened before this season, and if happened once it can happen again. A serious club should always have three quality keepers on call, and we've had that for several years. The only reason we temporarily didn't this season, I put down to inexperience on the part of the manager. I see he's not making the same mistake twice, so I applaud him for that! He can be called back in a crisis though. Thinking purely of the benefits to the club, its surely more beneficial for us and his overall development to be playing?
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Post by Veritas on Mar 19, 2021 19:53:27 GMT
It all depends on where it was going to be. Why? Playing league football has to be better than not playing at all surely? If he went to a basket case team liable to be shedding 5 or 6 goals a game, Vale for eg, it would do him no good at all.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Mar 19, 2021 20:04:42 GMT
Why? Playing league football has to be better than not playing at all surely? If he went to a basket case team liable to be shedding 5 or 6 goals a game, Vale for eg, it would do him no good at all. Seemingly Accrington Stanley were one that wanted him, a club he knows well having been on loan there last season.
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Post by lordb on Mar 19, 2021 20:06:55 GMT
Joe has definitely got to be one of our two match day keepers next season!!! For me it's has to be between Davies and Bursik!!! 👍🏼 Rather he was either number one or out on lost Sitting in the bench isn't any good Would have no problem if he was number one
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2021 20:30:28 GMT
Joe has definitely got to be one of our two match day keepers next season!!! For me it's has to be between Davies and Bursik!!! 👍🏼 Rather he was either number one or out on lost Sitting in the bench isn't any good Would have no problem if he was number one Are you saying MON's bench teaching experience isn't any good...?
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Mar 20, 2021 0:14:34 GMT
Joe has definitely got to be one of our two match day keepers next season!!! For me it's has to be between Davies and Bursik!!! 👍🏼 Rather he was either number one or out on lost Sitting in the bench isn't any good Would have no problem if he was number one I'm not to concerned either way, whether it's Davies or Bursik, just as long as it's between those two..... I don't really see the need for Gunn now!!! If I was pushed to pick one though, I think myself, I'd have to go for Davies... But like I say, I'm not to fussed as long as its between Davies and Bursik!!!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2021 9:38:36 GMT
The club has to think of its own needs first and foremost. It's only going to take an injury to Davies tomorrow and we have no quality cover for whoever gets the first team place instead. If Gunn then injures himself, and Bursik's away on loan, then what? That's more or less exactly what happened before this season, and if happened once it can happen again. A serious club should always have three quality keepers on call, and we've had that for several years. The only reason we temporarily didn't this season, I put down to inexperience on the part of the manager. I see he's not making the same mistake twice, so I applaud him for that! He can be called back in a crisis though. Thinking purely of the benefits to the club, its surely more beneficial for us and his overall development to be playing? It still took a while before Joe was back and we went through the painful process of signing two emergency keepers, none of whom really added anything to the team or the club, just an extra expense.
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Post by lordb on Mar 20, 2021 10:30:40 GMT
Rather he was either number one or out on lost Sitting in the bench isn't any good Would have no problem if he was number one Are you saying MON's bench teaching experience isn't any good...? It's different for goalkeepers as goalkeepers are normally only going to come on in the event of an injury or a red card, i.e. they probably will never come on Whereas outfield players a manager,any manager, might and will give them a go for X minutes e.g. Norton the other night
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Post by peterthornesboots on Mar 20, 2021 10:34:30 GMT
Joe has definitely got to be one of our two match day keepers next season!!! For me it's has to be between Davies and Bursik!!! 👍🏼 Unless Bursik is going to be out #1 then he needs to go out on loan and be playing games every week. He won't improve by sitting on our bench every week.
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Post by tommycarlsberg on Mar 20, 2021 10:39:58 GMT
If he’s an England U21 keeper he should be starting next season.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Mar 20, 2021 10:41:22 GMT
He can be called back in a crisis though. Thinking purely of the benefits to the club, its surely more beneficial for us and his overall development to be playing? It still took a while before Joe was back and we went through the painful process of signing two emergency keepers, none of whom really added anything to the team or the club, just an extra expense. We wouldn't choose to do that again though. We'd just bring him back.
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Post by GeneralFaye on Mar 20, 2021 10:51:40 GMT
We should've tried to send Gunn back in January. Then, once it became clear Gunn was staying Bursik should've gone back out on loan to keep developing.
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Post by peterthornesboots on Mar 20, 2021 10:53:24 GMT
We should've tried to send Gunn back in January. Then, once it became clear Gunn was staying Bursik should've gone back out on loan to keep developing. This is what will basically happen in the summer. Davies and Gunn will be in the matchday squad. Bursik will go out on loan. I think that would probably be a sensible policy (unless Bursik will be #1 here and guaranteed games).
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 20, 2021 11:02:56 GMT
Don't get why we would reject it. Surely it's better that he's playing somewhere, anywhere, than he is sitting on his arse on a matchday. If I was him I'd be begging to get back out on loan somewhere. It all depends on where it was going to be. Does it? The Conference is the lowest it could have been and yeah I think I’d reject that. But even League Two he should have been out. He needs games.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2021 11:39:49 GMT
We should've tried to send Gunn back in January. Then, once it became clear Gunn was staying Bursik should've gone back out on loan to keep developing. This is what will basically happen in the summer. Davies and Gunn will be in the matchday squad. Bursik will go out on loan. I think that would probably be a sensible policy ( unless Bursik will be #1 here and guaranteed games). I hope he will be given the chance the same way the others are, but I have my doubts. For me there's no doubt at all that Joe is the better keeper. Sending him out on loan again to an inferior club will only make him lose his desire to stay with us longtime.
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Post by nonameface on Mar 20, 2021 12:28:12 GMT
Joe has definitely got to be one of our two match day keepers next season!!! For me it's has to be between Davies and Bursik!!! 👍🏼 Unless Bursik is going to be out #1 then he needs to go out on loan and be playing games every week. He won't improve by sitting on our bench every week. Possibly. He's proved he can play at this level already so it may be more beneficial integrating him more with the group and creating competition for the remainder of this season and next year. Having competition and being trained by theoretically better goalkeeper coaches should now outweigh a loan. Especially when Bursik just needs to improve a bit on his positioning and then hes our best keeper.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2021 13:39:43 GMT
Unless Bursik is going to be out #1 then he needs to go out on loan and be playing games every week. He won't improve by sitting on our bench every week. Possibly. He's proved he can play at this level already so it may be more beneficial integrating him more with the group and creating competition for the remainder of this season and next year. Having competition and being trained by theoretically better goalkeeper coaches should now outweigh a loan. Especially when Bursik just needs to improve a bit on his positioning and then hes our best keeper. Not to mention that in training you get to be tested by players about the same level as himself, whereas in L2 players are obviously at a lower level. The intensity though is bound to be higher in games.
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Mar 20, 2021 14:08:01 GMT
Joe has definitely got to be one of our two match day keepers next season!!! For me it's has to be between Davies and Bursik!!! 👍🏼 Unless Bursik is going to be out #1 then he needs to go out on loan and be playing games every week. He won't improve by sitting on our bench every week. No he won't, but he can't just expect to jump into the No1 spot either.... It wouldn't do any keeper any good sitting on the bench all season, both need games, but Davies needs to be first choice (in my opinion)!!! Butland had to bide his time on the bench when Begovic was our first choice keeper!!! I'd rather have Bursik in with the first team at Stoke, fighting for the No1 Jersey!!!
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Post by FullerMagic on Apr 5, 2021 13:29:45 GMT
Nothing set in stone, but MON seems to be saying he's very likely to be loaned out next season in his pre-match radio interview. Makes sense as you can't have a youngster like him on the bench (or the stands) when they should be getting experience
Wonder what level he could go to?
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Post by Jimm on Apr 5, 2021 13:32:17 GMT
Nothing set in stone, but MON seems to be saying he's very likely to be loaned out next season in his pre-match radio interview. Makes sense as you can't have a youngster like him on the bench (or the stands) when they should be getting experience Wonder what level he could go to? You'd think it'd be a promotion hopeful League one side, at the very least
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Post by liathroid on Apr 5, 2021 13:42:08 GMT
So Gunn is staying , hopefully Davies stays no1 ,better for Bursik to be playing
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Post by nottsover60 on Apr 5, 2021 16:47:10 GMT
I am fairly confident in saying that had he been in goal today we may not have conceded those goals. He dominates his area, is strong in the air and reads the game well. He quite possibly would have spared Batth's blushes by getting out to the player first leaving Batth to sweep up.
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