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Post by J-Roar on Jan 17, 2021 0:36:12 GMT
That was part of the problem...... Utter rubbish. You couldn't say his coaching of Butland was that good.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 17, 2021 0:36:34 GMT
I thought he was very good with his command and kicking but that offside goal was very lucky.
But he should keep his place.
Gunn is the best goalie of the 3 though but it’s Bursik’s shirt to lose.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jan 17, 2021 2:44:26 GMT
That was part of the problem...... Utter rubbish. Things went stale that seems fairly obvious...,,
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 17, 2021 2:47:12 GMT
There was actually no evidence of Quy being any good bar the reputation he seemed to have. The evidence on the pitch wasn’t there.
Stale was the word I was told and the same for other areas of the club where we had long standing members of staff. One left in the summer interestingly enough.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2021 3:11:01 GMT
Would be much happier if he didn’t try to play it out from the back in more inventive ways. Most of the pressure put on teams in this league comes from a high press and teams trying to emulate the Premier.
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Post by PotterLog on Jan 17, 2021 3:23:50 GMT
Would be much happier if he didn’t try to play it out from the back in more inventive ways. Most of the pressure put on teams in this league comes from a high press and teams trying to emulate the Premier. He’s bloody good on the ball though. Dunno if it’s been mentioned but he brought down a long, high ball with his feet so nonchalantly at one point today. The young players at the back have pretty much the best technique in the squad.
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Post by lawrieleslie on Jan 17, 2021 8:35:12 GMT
Quy took good goalkeepers and made the shit. Didn’t Andy Quy "find" Jakob Oh God and recommend his signing?
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Post by clarkeda on Jan 17, 2021 8:44:56 GMT
Quy took good goalkeepers and made the shit. Didn’t Andy Quy "find" Jakob Oh God and recommend his signing? No it was a Sorensen recommendation
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Post by staffordstokiemad1 on Jan 17, 2021 8:54:32 GMT
Got to be Davies when he is back fit, Bursik has done very well, but Davies was outstanding before his injury.
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Post by mrcoke on Jan 17, 2021 8:57:04 GMT
We have 3 excellent GKs, just wish we had a striker who scored goals regularly.
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Post by miltonstokienew on Jan 17, 2021 8:57:43 GMT
Didn’t Andy Quy "find" Jakob Oh God and recommend his signing? No it was a Sorensen recommendation [br It was Andy Quay
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Post by staffordstokiemad1 on Jan 17, 2021 9:00:46 GMT
We have 3 excellent GKs, just wish we had a striker who scored goals regularly. We do, he’s injured 🤢.
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Post by greenhoff on Jan 17, 2021 9:02:53 GMT
Joe has had a great start to his career. His starting positions are great, he commands his area and his kicking is excellent. However I have one tiny niggle, I'm really not sure about his ability as a shot stopper. Since hes been in the team hes been really well protected by the defence. In my opinion he could have done better with some of the goals hes conceded. He's obviously a fine prospect but for me there is a question mark in that area of his game.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Jan 17, 2021 9:08:39 GMT
No it was a Sorensen recommendation [br It was Andy Quay I’m fairly certain it was reported at the time as being Sorro’s recommendation.
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Post by miltonstokienew on Jan 17, 2021 9:13:22 GMT
I’m fairly certain it was reported at the time as being Sorro’s recommendation. I'm just going off what Andy Quy told me before Christmas.
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Post by brizzlestokie on Jan 17, 2021 9:14:55 GMT
I'm not generally one for controversy, but if I'm to make a statement that I feel would be unpopular it'd be that Davies should get the shirt back when he's properly fit. Bursik has done really well in the circumstances, but ultimately I don't think he's been as good as Davies was before his injury and so if Davies looks like his old self in training he should be back as our number 1. If Bursik is to lose his place, and I don't think he should, then its Gunn who gets my vote Fair enough. I'd disagree with that partly because it I don't think a loan keeper should be prioritised if it's such a close call, but mostly because I also don't think Gunn played as well as Davies had during his as no. 1.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Jan 17, 2021 9:17:29 GMT
I’m fairly certain it was reported at the time as being Sorro’s recommendation. I'm just going off what Andy Quy told me before Christmas. Fair enough. And I’m not quite sure why you’d brag about it if it was not true. Where is Quy now? I see he left Brentford last summer.
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Post by wherty on Jan 17, 2021 9:24:31 GMT
You couldn't say his coaching of Butland was that good. He was a goalkeeping coach not a physiologist. Very well respected in the game. Influential in begovic and butlands rise, worked a lot with Bursik. I agree David Rouse has got a good pedigree but let's not slate Andy for butlands demise when there was other things outside of football going on with him.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Jan 17, 2021 9:27:49 GMT
You couldn't say his coaching of Butland was that good. He was a goalkeeping coach not a physiologist. Very well respected in the game. Influential in begovic and butlands rise, worked a lot with Bursik. I agree David Rouse has got a good pedigree but let's not slate Andy for butlands demise when there was other things outside of football going on with him. Not often I learn a new word these days, but physiologist is new to me. I had to Google it to find out exactly what the job description was - well done sir!
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jan 17, 2021 9:29:23 GMT
If Bursik is to lose his place, and I don't think he should, then its Gunn who gets my vote Fair enough. I'd disagree with that partly because it I don't think a loan keeper should be prioritised if it's such a close call, but mostly because I also don't think Gunn played as well as Davies had during his as no. 1. Gunn only played a few games but in those games he made saves none of the others look like being able to make. In a team that doesn't score many goals he's the one out of the 3 that could make the out of the world save to win us a game. Still for me, Bursik is no1 and the other 2 are racing back to get that spot on the bench
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Post by brizzlestokie on Jan 17, 2021 10:00:52 GMT
Fair enough. I'd disagree with that partly because it I don't think a loan keeper should be prioritised if it's such a close call, but mostly because I also don't think Gunn played as well as Davies had during his as no. 1. Gunn only played a few games but in those games he made saves none of the others look like being able to make. In a team that doesn't score many goals he's the one out of the 3 that could make the out of the world save to win us a game. Still for me, Bursik is no1 and the other 2 are racing back to get that spot on the bench I'd quote you almost word for word on that, but I'd replace Gunn with Davies. Thought he looked a good shot stopper and excellent in 1 v 1s. Also thought Gunn seemed more likely to drop clangers. Not to say I don't rate Gunn and Bursik - each of the three of them would make for strong number 1s. We just have crazy quality in depth in the position right now and for me Davies has been the pick of the bunch based on what we've seen.
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Post by wherty on Jan 17, 2021 11:10:19 GMT
He was a goalkeeping coach not a physiologist. Very well respected in the game. Influential in begovic and butlands rise, worked a lot with Bursik. I agree David Rouse has got a good pedigree but let's not slate Andy for butlands demise when there was other things outside of football going on with him. Not often I learn a new word these days, but physiologist is new to me. I had to Google it to find out exactly what the job description was - well done sir! Typo error sarci arse....psychologists is what i meant.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2021 11:23:08 GMT
Would be much happier if he didn’t try to play it out from the back in more inventive ways. Most of the pressure put on teams in this league comes from a high press and teams trying to emulate the Premier. He’s bloody good on the ball though. Dunno if it’s been mentioned but he brought down a long, high ball with his feet so nonchalantly at one point today. The young players at the back have pretty much the best technique in the squad. It was effortless 'Arnie-esque', needs to teach Brown. Wasn't he a winger in his early days? (Thought I read that somewhere)
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Post by clarkeda on Jan 17, 2021 11:23:42 GMT
I’m fairly certain it was reported at the time as being Sorro’s recommendation. I'm just going off what Andy Quy told me before Christmas. Even if it was Andy Quy, he shouldn’t be admitting it. I’m absolutely certain it was Sorro.
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Post by clarkeda on Jan 17, 2021 11:33:01 GMT
Gunn only played a few games but in those games he made saves none of the others look like being able to make. In a team that doesn't score many goals he's the one out of the 3 that could make the out of the world save to win us a game. Still for me, Bursik is no1 and the other 2 are racing back to get that spot on the bench I'd quote you almost word for word on that, but I'd replace Gunn with Davies. Thought he looked a good shot stopper and excellent in 1 v 1s. Also thought Gunn seemed more likely to drop clangers. Not to say I don't rate Gunn and Bursik - each of the three of them would make for strong number 1s. We just have crazy quality in depth in the position right now and for me Davies has been the pick of the bunch based on what we've seen. Davies is no1 for me, people seem to forget how much we improved when he first came in. I rate Bursik but yesterday proved he probably isn’t quite ready just yet. He has done a stellar job so far and MON has 100% set the team up to protect him, but the offside goal is basic keeping for me. If we are continuing to play a the suicide high line, Davies 1v1 ability is essential. Might sound like I’m being harsh on Bursik but it’s a compliment on the strength in depth we have that I’ve had to be so critical to split them.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 17, 2021 12:00:11 GMT
I'm just going off what Andy Quy told me before Christmas. Even if it was Andy Quy, he shouldn’t be admitting it. I’m absolutely certain it was Sorro. 😂😂 I hope it’s true for that reason alone. Why the fuck would you admit to recommending that sack of shit?
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Post by biglad180 on Jan 17, 2021 12:11:47 GMT
just going off the Bursik subject, Jack Butland is career is certainly going down the pan, bench warmer at best now,
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Post by tachyon on Jan 17, 2021 12:48:26 GMT
None of the three keepers have done that well re shot stopping this season.
Both Davies & Gunn have allowed 10 % more goals than the quality of on target shots they've faced has merited & Bursik has under performed by nearly 20%.
Small sample size, though, so the rates for Bursik will regress towards the league average or he'll be replaced by either Gunn or Davies.
Championship quality strength in depth & a promising youngster.
Distribution, cross claiming & sweeping all Championship level standard.
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Post by shrewspotter on Jan 17, 2021 12:50:16 GMT
just going off the Bursik subject, Jack Butland is career is certainly going down the pan, bench warmer at best now, yes, it’s as if his career has gone backwards by about 7 years. When he first came to us he had to wait for his chance, now he’s got to do it all again
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2021 14:29:31 GMT
None of the three keepers have done that well re shot stopping this season. Both Davies & Gunn have allowed 10 % more goals than the quality of on target shots they've faced has merited & Bursik has under performed by nearly 20%. Small sample size, though, so the rates for Bursik will regress towards the league average or he'll be replaced by either Gunn or Davies. Championship quality strength in depth & a promising youngster. Distribution, cross claiming & sweeping all Championship level standard. I think Bursik’s distribution is dire to be honest. It’s not that he can’t pass the ball (he can) but he all too often tries to whip out a quick pass to a fullback who is not entirely free. He did it to Collins half way through the second half and Collins immediately lost the ball.
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