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Post by LL Cool Dave on Nov 20, 2020 20:23:39 GMT
Big increase in defence spending announced the day before rumours of a public sector pay freeze. None of it being spent giving me a pay rise though Well maybe it should be.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Nov 20, 2020 20:24:54 GMT
Some very good points been made here. I don’t mind doing my bit and putting up with a wage freeze as long as it’s fair as I know it’s for the greater good and a small sacrifice in comparison to the price some have to pay. I do however think those companies supported by furlough payments should pay some money back even if it’s over a long period. I’d also freeze benefits for those capable of working and MPs wages. Everyone has to do their bit. The furlough scheme didn’t really support firms, it supported employees who would otherwise have been laid off and sacked. There was little financial benefit to employers. It still provided employers with loopholes to take advantage of. The employees are the casualties here not the employers. It’s an easy option for an employer to blame COVID for redundancies. Dare I say some are even relieved for the opportunity to shave thousands off the wage bill
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Post by slicko on Nov 20, 2020 20:43:14 GMT
I detest how this government convince us to race to the bottom. There’s been too little scrutiny of their spending and initiatives through Lockdown.
They’ll avoid all scrutiny on their decision-making whilst workers are bailing out the economy again.
Accountability for this situation will be avoided, but they’ll pay for this when the next general election comes around.
Roll on Thursday 2 May 2024.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Nov 20, 2020 20:43:18 GMT
Some very good points been made here. I don’t mind doing my bit and putting up with a wage freeze as long as it’s fair as I know it’s for the greater good and a small sacrifice in comparison to the price some have to pay. I do however think those companies supported by furlough payments should pay some money back even if it’s over a long period. I’d also freeze benefits for those capable of working and MPs wages. Everyone has to do their bit. The furlough scheme didn’t really support firms, it supported employees who would otherwise have been laid off and sacked. There was little financial benefit to employers. It just feels a little unfair that people in the public sector have been working for the last few months and are paying the price now which I have no issue with however firms can setup after months of inactivity and just crack on with no similar contribution in paying back.
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Post by swampmongrel on Nov 20, 2020 20:50:38 GMT
I’m not instinctively anti trade union. But, I noticed the TUC complaining about this pay freeze. I’m pretty sure they were cheerleading into both the first and this lockdown and delayed the reopening of schools long after the rest of Europe’s schools had reopened. I wonder what the fuck they thought was likely happen?!
Ultimately, the government have been led by public opinion throughout the pandemic and now the public appear to be surprised that there’s a price to pay!
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Post by slicko on Nov 20, 2020 20:55:43 GMT
I’m not instinctively anti trade union. But, I noticed the TUC complaining about this pay freeze. I’m pretty sure they were cheerleading into both the first and this lockdown and delayed the reopening of schools long after the rest of Europe’s schools had reopened. I wonder what the fuck they thought was likely happen?! Ultimately, the government have been led by public opinion throughout the pandemic and now the public appear to be surprised that there’s a price to pay! Not public opinion, scientific opinion they insist. No one is surprised there’s a price to pay, it’s just who pays it.
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Post by salopstick on Nov 20, 2020 20:57:41 GMT
None of it being spent giving me a pay rise though Well maybe it should be. Maybe. I am blessed to have a guaranteed job. Millions in the private sector not so lucky.
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Post by swampmongrel on Nov 20, 2020 21:11:04 GMT
I’m not instinctively anti trade union. But, I noticed the TUC complaining about this pay freeze. I’m pretty sure they were cheerleading into both the first and this lockdown and delayed the reopening of schools long after the rest of Europe’s schools had reopened. I wonder what the fuck they thought was likely happen?! Ultimately, the government have been led by public opinion throughout the pandemic and now the public appear to be surprised that there’s a price to pay! Not public opinion, scientific opinion they insist. No one is surprised there’s a price to pay, it’s just who pays it. They insist all sorts. Some lockdown measures/restrictions were/are necessary to prevent the health service being overwhelmed but, everything over and above that (E.g. the ridiculous slow opening of schools in late spring) was a political decisions led by public opinion and fuck all to do with ‘science’. A pay freeze, in the current low inflation environment, isn’t massively unreasonable. But appreciate it depends sector by sector.
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Post by questionable on Nov 20, 2020 21:13:52 GMT
It was always on the cards, easy targets and then comes local government cut backs then job cuts.
Robbing Peter to pay Paul, pay private sector workers then take it out of the Public Sector workers who’ve worked tirelessly to keep services to some kind of normality under immense pressure.
Lose lose situation all round.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Nov 20, 2020 21:24:01 GMT
Perhaps people should stop complaining about pay freezes and realise that there are other folk who have had their lives decimated by this shit? People in the private sector have had their livelihoods taken from them and have very little to go at on the jobs market. I can’t even get a job packing shit at a warehouse after coming from a middle management background because they’d rather employ people from abroad. Over qualified they say🤷🏻♂️
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Post by cobhamstokey on Nov 20, 2020 21:28:22 GMT
Perhaps people should stop complaining about pay freezes and realise that there are other folk who have had their lives decimated by this shit? People in the private sector have had their livelihoods taken from them and have very little to go at on the jobs market. I can’t even get a job packing shit at a warehouse after coming from a middle management background because they’d rather employ people from abroad. Over qualified they say🤷🏻♂️ Well said. That’s why I have no issue with the pay freeze but those lucky enough to have work need to play their part too and not play the system. Those taking advantage of Furlough under the current circs if found guilty of fraud should be sent to prison.
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Post by slicko on Nov 20, 2020 21:31:03 GMT
Perhaps people should stop complaining about pay freezes and realise that there are other folk who have had their lives decimated by this shit? People in the private sector have had their livelihoods taken from them and have very little to go at on the jobs market. I can’t even get a job packing shit at a warehouse after coming from a middle management background because they’d rather employ people from abroad. Over qualified they say🤷🏻♂️ Sympathies Hartshill Badger, that’s a shite situation you’ve been put in and wish you all the best in your search. Discussion is healthy though and it’s imperative for democracy and greater understanding.
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Post by swampmongrel on Nov 20, 2020 21:32:04 GMT
Perhaps people should stop complaining about pay freezes and realise that there are other folk who have had their lives decimated by this shit? People in the private sector have had their livelihoods taken from them and have very little to go at on the jobs market. I can’t even get a job packing shit at a warehouse after coming from a middle management background because they’d rather employ people from abroad. Over qualified they say🤷🏻♂️ Best of luck. It will get better.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Nov 20, 2020 21:40:35 GMT
Perhaps people should stop complaining about pay freezes and realise that there are other folk who have had their lives decimated by this shit? People in the private sector have had their livelihoods taken from them and have very little to go at on the jobs market. I can’t even get a job packing shit at a warehouse after coming from a middle management background because they’d rather employ people from abroad. Over qualified they say🤷🏻♂️ Sympathies Hartshill Badger, that’s a shite situation you’ve been put in and wish you all the best in your search. Discussion is healthy though and it’s imperative for democracy and greater understanding. I haven’t worked since March mate and was made redundant in July after 22 years. I’ve applied for 50 plus jobs, even had replies saying there are that many applications they haven’t even looked at mine! My opinion is people working in the public sector should be thankful they have a wage coming in every week. I agree some deserve more but this isn’t the time to start complaining about pay rises. My Mrs is currently working 2 jobs, including at the NHS, to keep us going. How do you think that makes me feel? I’ve always been the bread winner, now I’m nowt but a house husband. It’s wank! Anyway enough about me😀
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Post by franklin on Nov 20, 2020 21:54:47 GMT
Perhaps people should stop complaining about pay freezes and realise that there are other folk who have had their lives decimated by this shit? People in the private sector have had their livelihoods taken from them and have very little to go at on the jobs market. I can’t even get a job packing shit at a warehouse after coming from a middle management background because they’d rather employ people from abroad. Over qualified they say🤷🏻♂️ Mate I wish you well both my lads lost their jobs in March or thereabouts but they've both found new employment. Keep the faith pal it'll work out.
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Post by slicko on Nov 20, 2020 21:55:18 GMT
Sympathies Hartshill Badger, that’s a shite situation you’ve been put in and wish you all the best in your search. Discussion is healthy though and it’s imperative for democracy and greater understanding. I haven’t worked since March mate and was made redundant in July after 22 years. I’ve applied for 50 plus jobs, even had replies saying there are that many applications they haven’t even looked at mine! My opinion is people working in the public sector should be thankful they have a wage coming in every week. I agree some deserve more but this isn’t the time to start complaining about pay rises. My Mrs is currently working 2 jobs, including at the NHS, to keep us going. How do you think that makes me feel? I’ve always been the bread winner, now I’m nowt but a house husband. It’s wank! Anyway enough about me😀 Yeah, I feel your pain mate. If this government make the right decisions going forward I suspect your experience will get your career back in track. Your enemies aren’t those other workers who are also trying to raise families and great swathes public sector workers are really poorly paid, contrary to what they’ll have you believe.
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Post by wagsastokie on Nov 20, 2020 22:00:00 GMT
I detest how this government convince us to race to the bottom. There’s been too little scrutiny of their spending and initiatives through Lockdown. They’ll avoid all scrutiny on their decision-making whilst workers are bailing out the economy again. Accountability for this situation will be avoided, but they’ll pay for this when the next general election comes around. Roll on Thursday 2 May 2024. 😁😁 Change is coming One of these times it may well but If I was you I wouldn’t put more than you can afford to lose on it with that fence sitting wanker starmer in charge
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Nov 20, 2020 22:02:29 GMT
I haven’t worked since March mate and was made redundant in July after 22 years. I’ve applied for 50 plus jobs, even had replies saying there are that many applications they haven’t even looked at mine! My opinion is people working in the public sector should be thankful they have a wage coming in every week. I agree some deserve more but this isn’t the time to start complaining about pay rises. My Mrs is currently working 2 jobs, including at the NHS, to keep us going. How do you think that makes me feel? I’ve always been the bread winner, now I’m nowt but a house husband. It’s wank! Anyway enough about me😀 Yeah, I feel your pain mate. If this government make the right decisions going forward I suspect your experience will get your career back in track. Your enemies aren’t those other workers who are also trying to raise families and great swathes public sector workers are really poorly paid, contrary to what they’ll have you believe. I don’t mean to sound like a whiny fucker but it’s something that really affects me so I just have an outburst now and again👍🏻
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Post by wagsastokie on Nov 20, 2020 22:04:04 GMT
Perhaps people should stop complaining about pay freezes and realise that there are other folk who have had their lives decimated by this shit? People in the private sector have had their livelihoods taken from them and have very little to go at on the jobs market. I can’t even get a job packing shit at a warehouse after coming from a middle management background because they’d rather employ people from abroad. Over qualified they say🤷🏻♂️ If the government excludes the nhs from the pay freeze the unions want to be careful they may find there’s not as much sympathy out there as they believe
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Post by slicko on Nov 20, 2020 22:07:11 GMT
I detest how this government convince us to race to the bottom. There’s been too little scrutiny of their spending and initiatives through Lockdown. They’ll avoid all scrutiny on their decision-making whilst workers are bailing out the economy again. Accountability for this situation will be avoided, but they’ll pay for this when the next general election comes around. Roll on Thursday 2 May 2024. 😁😁 Change is coming One of these times it may well but If I was you I wouldn’t put more than you can afford to lose on it with that fence sitting wanker starmer in charge I wouldn’t judge a party by its leader or believe everything the media push as fact. If you can find 30 minutes then you’ll think different of Kier Starmer after listening to this: podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/desert-island-discs/id342735925?i=1000498668648
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Post by slicko on Nov 20, 2020 22:08:51 GMT
Perhaps people should stop complaining about pay freezes and realise that there are other folk who have had their lives decimated by this shit? People in the private sector have had their livelihoods taken from them and have very little to go at on the jobs market. I can’t even get a job packing shit at a warehouse after coming from a middle management background because they’d rather employ people from abroad. Over qualified they say🤷🏻♂️ If the government excludes the nhs from the pay freeze the unions want to be careful they may find there’s not as much sympathy out there as they believe Then again, maybe the NHS colleagues will stand by their public sector colleagues as the colleagues stood by them in their recent disputes with government? Divide and conquer is an immoral tactic.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Nov 20, 2020 22:09:20 GMT
Austerity mark 2 already in design.
I've heard of a firm called Amazon I think it is.
Apparently they've been fucking creaming it during lockdown.
Perhaps we could tax them appropriately before coming after people Bozo used to clap for?
If this happens it's time for widespread industrial action.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Nov 20, 2020 22:14:08 GMT
Austerity mark 2 already in design. I've heard of a firm called Amazon I think it is. Apparently they've been fucking creaming it during lockdown. Perhaps we could tax them appropriately before coming after people Bozo used to clap for? If this happens it's time for widespread industrial action. I’ve been that desperate for work I applied to Amazon as a last resort, but today I thought better of it and remain jobless!😀
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Post by wagsastokie on Nov 20, 2020 22:14:45 GMT
If the government excludes the nhs from the pay freeze the unions want to be careful they may find there’s not as much sympathy out there as they believe Then again, maybe the NHS colleagues will stand by their public sector colleagues as the colleagues stood by them in their recent disputes with government? Divide and conquer is an immoral tactic. Oh I have a long memory of union’s sticking by each other Many moons ago I was standing on a picket line and our leaders told us not to worry the miners will back us Did they fuck A few months later they asked us to back there strike and not transport coal on the railway from the docks to power stations the rest is history
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Post by franklin on Nov 20, 2020 22:15:48 GMT
Austerity mark 2 already in design. I've heard of a firm called Amazon I think it is. Apparently they've been fucking creaming it during lockdown. Perhaps we could tax them appropriately before coming after people Bozo used to clap for? If this happens it's time for widespread industrial action. I think they've broke the 1 trillion mark pathetic but thats what happens when they close local retail.
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Post by wagsastokie on Nov 20, 2020 22:19:03 GMT
Austerity mark 2 already in design. I've heard of a firm called Amazon I think it is. Apparently they've been fucking creaming it during lockdown. Perhaps we could tax them appropriately before coming after people Bozo used to clap for? If this happens it's time for widespread industrial action. Or you could do what I do and refuse to buy piss all from the shysters
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Post by sheikhmomo on Nov 20, 2020 22:20:50 GMT
Austerity mark 2 already in design. I've heard of a firm called Amazon I think it is. Apparently they've been fucking creaming it during lockdown. Perhaps we could tax them appropriately before coming after people Bozo used to clap for? If this happens it's time for widespread industrial action. I think they've broke the 1 trillion mark pathetic but thats what happens when they close local retail. It's time to go after them. No doubt.
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Post by slicko on Nov 20, 2020 22:20:51 GMT
Then again, maybe the NHS colleagues will stand by their public sector colleagues as the colleagues stood by them in their recent disputes with government? Divide and conquer is an immoral tactic. Oh I have a long memory of union’s sticking by each other Many moons ago I was standing on a picket line and our leaders told us not to worry the miners will back us Did they fuck A few months later they asked us to back there strike and not transport coal on the railway from the docks to power stations the rest is history Why wasn’t it reciprocated by the Miners? Was it choice or legality? I’m sorry that industry and industrial action was dismantled but that blue period were terrible times for worker’s rights.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Nov 20, 2020 22:22:56 GMT
Yeah, I feel your pain mate. If this government make the right decisions going forward I suspect your experience will get your career back in track. Your enemies aren’t those other workers who are also trying to raise families and great swathes public sector workers are really poorly paid, contrary to what they’ll have you believe. I don’t mean to sound like a whiny fucker but it’s something that really affects me so I just have an outburst now and again👍🏻 Here’s the place to do it mate. There’s nothing wrong with having a good release it works wonders. Good luck in your hunt for work I’m sure you’ll nail it soon.
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Post by franklin on Nov 20, 2020 22:23:56 GMT
I think they've broke the 1 trillion mark pathetic but thats what happens when they close local retail. It's time to go after them. No doubt. Too late way too big and powerful like Facebook they've been taken to court for censorship but they just pay up if they don't bleed you dry first its a drop in the corporate ocean.
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