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Post by slicko on Nov 20, 2020 18:23:07 GMT
Would a pay-freeze for the public sector workers be ethically right?
Are contracts in Lockdown to Ministerial Tory friends morally right?
Will MPs waive their pay settlement in the name of austerity?
Have any voters considered swinging back to another party in the next election?
Is Michael O’Neill God?
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Post by franklin on Nov 20, 2020 18:51:36 GMT
Its a by product of lockdown it has to be paid back i said it months ago its catastrophic and will go on for decades. Its worth it though apparently no use moaning now its too late. What it should be though is fair and across the whole board no exceptions if its going to happen.
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Post by slicko on Nov 20, 2020 19:10:20 GMT
Its a by product of lockdown it has to be paid back i said it months ago its catastrophic and will go on for decades. Its worth it though apparently no use moaning now its too late. What it should be though is fair and across the whole board no exceptions if its going to happen. Should consideration be given to public sector workers having worked from March to December in really tough, often difficult and dangerous conditions, whilst others were paid 80% for not working?
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Nov 20, 2020 19:16:08 GMT
Its a by product of lockdown it has to be paid back i said it months ago its catastrophic and will go on for decades. Its worth it though apparently no use moaning now its too late. What it should be though is fair and across the whole board no exceptions if its going to happen. Does public sector workers having worked from March to December in really tough, often difficult conditions whilst others were paid 80% for not working, have any bearing on the decision? Don’t forget hundreds of thousands of people who were on furlough don’t have a job to go back to due to redundancies. Having experience of this and the eventual redundancy I would say I would rather have been in constant work with increased pay packages. It’s been difficult for public sector workers definitely but at the end of the day they have jobs and are providing for their families where a lot of the private sector are now struggling with debt and mental health issues. I really don’t see a problem with freezing wages for the time being if it helps the economy recover.
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Post by salopstick on Nov 20, 2020 19:22:20 GMT
Does public sector workers having worked from March to December in really tough, often difficult conditions whilst others were paid 80% for not working, have any bearing on the decision? Don’t forget hundreds of thousands of people who were on furlough don’t have a job to go back to due to redundancies. Having experience of this and the eventual redundancy I would say I would rather have been in constant work with increased pay packages. It’s been difficult for public sector workers definitely but at the end of the day they have jobs and are providing for their families where a lot of the private sector are now struggling with debt and mental health issues. I really don’t see a problem with freezing wages for the time being if it helps the economy recover. That’s a fair point. The so-called pay freeze for non nhs public sector workers is to save money and level out with private sector Sitting in the fence on this even though it applies to me
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Post by riverman on Nov 20, 2020 19:29:52 GMT
Does public sector workers having worked from March to December in really tough, often difficult conditions whilst others were paid 80% for not working, have any bearing on the decision? Don’t forget hundreds of thousands of people who were on furlough don’t have a job to go back to due to redundancies. Having experience of this and the eventual redundancy I would say I would rather have been in constant work with increased pay packages. It’s been difficult for public sector workers definitely but at the end of the day they have jobs and are providing for their families where a lot of the private sector are now struggling with debt and mental health issues. I really don’t see a problem with freezing wages for the time being if it helps the economy recover. There were more private sector workers working through than there were on furlough. Myself included. I don't expect a pay rise anytime soon and I suspect many more won't either. We've all got to tighten our belts for the short term to try and build the economy back up and that includes public sector workers many of whom probably earn more than the private sector anyhow.
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Post by telfordstoke on Nov 20, 2020 19:30:53 GMT
Wife and I are non-NHS public sector and been here before, several years of a cut followed by a freeze and then small increments, shite but necessary then and doubtless now. Could tell earlier in year when we got a decent raise for effectively PR reasons that it would be given with one hand then gradually taken away in next couple of years. That said, we've worked constantly with no 80% furlough, and I took on some extra Covid related work which elicited a raise so will roll with the punches and keep on with what we're doing. Almost amusing and a first world problem, but I have so much leave I haven't taken this year I need to take couple of weeks off between now Me Xmas , they can't afford to buy it off me either. So yeah unwelcome if entirely predictable reading today.
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Post by wagsastokie on Nov 20, 2020 19:32:53 GMT
Its a by product of lockdown it has to be paid back i said it months ago its catastrophic and will go on for decades. Its worth it though apparently no use moaning now its too late. What it should be though is fair and across the whole board no exceptions if its going to happen. Should consideration be given to public sector workers having worked from March to December in really tough, often difficult and dangerous conditions, whilst others were paid 80% for not working? Or how about my eldest who has worked as a fishmonger through out And would take a pay cut if he could have a public service pension
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Nov 20, 2020 19:35:26 GMT
Are the police having a pay freeze?
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Post by franklin on Nov 20, 2020 19:37:33 GMT
Its a by product of lockdown it has to be paid back i said it months ago its catastrophic and will go on for decades. Its worth it though apparently no use moaning now its too late. What it should be though is fair and across the whole board no exceptions if its going to happen. Should consideration be given to public sector workers having worked from March to December in really tough, often difficult and dangerous conditions, whilst others were paid 80% for not working? While I have respect for those workers millions of others have continued to work also and as stated lots now dont or won't have a job to return to now and in the coming months. Now if you want an emotional response then there should be no pay freezes and instead pay rises thats fair on an emotional level, but its a practical decision to pay back billions so it might be unpopular but thats the right thing to do.
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Post by wagsastokie on Nov 20, 2020 19:38:09 GMT
Would a pay-freeze for the public sector workers be ethically right? Are contracts in Lockdown to Ministerial Tory friends morally right? Will MPs waive their pay settlement in the name of austerity? Have any voters considered swinging back to another party in the next election? Is Michael O’Neill God? Yes Yes No Yes I shall change who I vote for I shall return to the Tory’s from ukip Michael O’Neil is the messiah ( or a very naughty boy )
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Post by LL Cool Dave on Nov 20, 2020 19:40:43 GMT
Yeah but we'll get more bombs and guns. Yipeeee!
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Post by franklin on Nov 20, 2020 19:41:40 GMT
Are the police having a pay freeze? No details yet that I know of but the popular opinion is that the NHS will not be included or at least Dr's and Nurses. Police are an easy target anyway they have no rights to strike regardless of whats done to them. Edit: there will be limited support for the Police anyway people are not emotional in the same way as they are for the NHS, Fars and so on.
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Post by franklin on Nov 20, 2020 19:48:08 GMT
Yeah but we'll get more bombs and guns. Yipeeee! I have to agree strange timing if nothing else.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Nov 20, 2020 19:51:17 GMT
Are the police having a pay freeze? Not details yet that I know of but the popular opinion is that the NHS will not be included or at least Dr's and Nurses. Police are an easy target anyway they have no rights to strike regardless of whats done to them. Edit: there will be limited support for the Police anyway people are not emotional in the same way as they are for the NHS, Fars and so on. The police have had a lot of extra burden during the pandemic. I don’t believe they should have a pay freeze. Although some extra recruitment may soften the blow. Can’t see that happening mind.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Nov 20, 2020 19:52:12 GMT
Yeah but we'll get more bombs and guns. Yipeeee! Don’t really see what you mean?
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Post by franklin on Nov 20, 2020 19:55:58 GMT
Not details yet that I know of but the popular opinion is that the NHS will not be included or at least Dr's and Nurses. Police are an easy target anyway they have no rights to strike regardless of whats done to them. Edit: there will be limited support for the Police anyway people are not emotional in the same way as they are for the NHS, Fars and so on. The police have had a lot of extra burden during the pandemic. I don’t believe they should have a pay freeze. Although some extra recruitment may soften the blow. Can’t see that happening mind. It boils down to funds mate there is recruitment ongoing and numbers are rising. As for extra burden that's the issue the extra work is not welcome and they are the bad guys again. So if a pay freeze happens in the coming years nobody will give a flying if im honest nobody or very few anyway will peep their horn in support of cops.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Nov 20, 2020 20:01:00 GMT
Some very good points been made here.
I don’t mind doing my bit and putting up with a wage freeze as long as it’s fair as I know it’s for the greater good and a small sacrifice in comparison to the price some have to pay. I do however think those companies supported by furlough payments should pay some money back even if it’s over a long period. I’d also freeze benefits for those capable of working and MPs wages. Everyone has to do their bit.
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Post by slicko on Nov 20, 2020 20:02:42 GMT
Are the police having a pay freeze? Yes, are politicians?
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Post by vokeswagen on Nov 20, 2020 20:02:51 GMT
Would a pay-freeze for the public sector workers be ethically right? Are contracts in Lockdown to Ministerial Tory friends morally right? Will MPs waive their pay settlement in the name of austerity? Have any voters considered swinging back to another party in the next election? Is Michael O’Neill God? Yes Yes No Yes I shall change who I vote for I shall return to the Tory’s from ukip Michael O’Neil is the messiah ( or a very naughty boy ) Out of interest, why do you think the contracts are morally right wags?
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Post by LL Cool Dave on Nov 20, 2020 20:06:18 GMT
Yeah but we'll get more bombs and guns. Yipeeee! Don’t really see what you mean? Big increase in defence spending announced the day before rumours of a public sector pay freeze.
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Post by franklin on Nov 20, 2020 20:06:37 GMT
Some very good points been made here. I don’t mind doing my bit and putting up with a wage freeze as long as it’s fair as I know it’s for the greater good and a small sacrifice in comparison to the price some have to pay. I do however think those companies supported by furlough payments should pay some money back even if it’s over a long period. I’d also freeze benefits for those capable of working and MPs wages. Everyone has to do their bit. Spot on pal 👍
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Nov 20, 2020 20:08:42 GMT
Don’t really see what you mean? Big increase in defence spending announced the day before rumours of a public sector pay freeze. Oh right missed that. I only get my news off the Oatcake, find it more informative😉 Don’t really know what to say to that to be honest🤷🏻♂️
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Post by wagsastokie on Nov 20, 2020 20:09:18 GMT
Yes Yes No Yes I shall change who I vote for I shall return to the Tory’s from ukip Michael O’Neil is the messiah ( or a very naughty boy ) Out of interest, why do you think the contracts are morally right wags? Because it’s fuck all to do with morals in the first place the world was in a even worse state than it is now and every country was trying to get the same PPE There was a world shortage and to me whatever means necessary was worth paying to achieve sufficient PPE Of course you are entitled to think differently
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Post by salopstick on Nov 20, 2020 20:10:23 GMT
Don’t really see what you mean? Big increase in defence spending announced the day before rumours of a public sector pay freeze. None of it being spent giving me a pay rise though
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Post by butlerstbob on Nov 20, 2020 20:15:20 GMT
Some very good points been made here. I don’t mind doing my bit and putting up with a wage freeze as long as it’s fair as I know it’s for the greater good and a small sacrifice in comparison to the price some have to pay. I do however think those companies supported by furlough payments should pay some money back even if it’s over a long period. I’d also freeze benefits for those capable of working and MPs wages. Everyone has to do their bit. This applies to me as I work in the public sector and like you and others have said I don't mind as long as we all do our bit... Unfortunately that probably won't be the case. I know several people who have there own business's who have told me how it's been tough yet are spending money on cars and other luxuries like its going out of fashion, I can only assume its grants and possibly fiddling the books?
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Nov 20, 2020 20:15:22 GMT
Are the police having a pay freeze? Yes, are politicians? No idea but I doubt it. Try to stay away from politics to be honest
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Post by franklin on Nov 20, 2020 20:18:06 GMT
Some very good points been made here. I don’t mind doing my bit and putting up with a wage freeze as long as it’s fair as I know it’s for the greater good and a small sacrifice in comparison to the price some have to pay. I do however think those companies supported by furlough payments should pay some money back even if it’s over a long period. I’d also freeze benefits for those capable of working and MPs wages. Everyone has to do their bit. This applies to me as I work in the public sector and like you and others have said I don't mind as long as we all do our bit... Unfortunately that probably won't be the case. I know several people who have there own business's who have told me how it's been tough yet are spending money on cars and other luxuries like its going out of fashion, I can only assume its grants and possibly fiddling the books? They believe about 3 billion was stolen from fraudulent furlough applications.
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Post by LL Cool Dave on Nov 20, 2020 20:20:00 GMT
Out of interest, why do you think the contracts are morally right wags? Because it’s fuck all to do with morals in the first place the world was in a even worse state than it is now and every country was trying to get the same PPE There was a world shortage and to me whatever means necessary was worth paying to achieve sufficient PPE Of course you are entitled to think differently Most of the dodgy deals have been done over the last few months, not when we were all new to it though. How anyone can defend the level of corruption that his Government is balls deep in is beyond me.
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Post by yeokel on Nov 20, 2020 20:20:31 GMT
Some very good points been made here. I don’t mind doing my bit and putting up with a wage freeze as long as it’s fair as I know it’s for the greater good and a small sacrifice in comparison to the price some have to pay. I do however think those companies supported by furlough payments should pay some money back even if it’s over a long period. I’d also freeze benefits for those capable of working and MPs wages. Everyone has to do their bit. The furlough scheme didn’t really support firms, it supported employees who would otherwise have been laid off and sacked. There was little financial benefit to employers.
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