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Post by sheikhmomo on Nov 20, 2020 22:25:54 GMT
Austerity mark 2 already in design. I've heard of a firm called Amazon I think it is. Apparently they've been fucking creaming it during lockdown. Perhaps we could tax them appropriately before coming after people Bozo used to clap for? If this happens it's time for widespread industrial action. Or you could do what I do and refuse to buy piss all from the shysters I'm happy for them to operate and be successful. Time now though to compel them to offer proper jobs, with proper benefits and be taxed to the full. This has to be the first stop on the journey of Corona payback. There is no flesh left to tear off the bone of the bottom rung.
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Post by wagsastokie on Nov 20, 2020 22:27:33 GMT
Oh I have a long memory of union’s sticking by each other Many moons ago I was standing on a picket line and our leaders told us not to worry the miners will back us Did they fuck A few months later they asked us to back there strike and not transport coal on the railway from the docks to power stations the rest is history Why wasn’t it reciprocated by the Miners? Was it choice or legality? I’m sorry that industry and industrial action was dismantled but that blue period were terrible times for worker’s rights. Choice a few years later it became illegal I may be a touch to the right on this board and have and probably will vote Tory But I fully believe everyone should be a member of a union and everyone should have the fundamental right to withdraw there labour With exceptions in national security
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Post by foster on Nov 20, 2020 22:28:21 GMT
Should consideration be given to public sector workers having worked from March to December in really tough, often difficult and dangerous conditions, whilst others were paid 80% for not working? While I have respect for those workers millions of others have continued to work also and as stated lots now dont or won't have a job to return to now and in the coming months. Now if you want an emotional response then there should be no pay freezes and instead pay rises thats fair on an emotional level, but its a practical decision to pay back billions so it might be unpopular but thats the right thing to do. Same. Worked all through and was told this week (along with all my colleagues) not to expect any wage increases this year. Didn't bother me at all as I understand we're falling on hard times. If there's no money available then there's no point debating if anyone should get an increase. However, if money is made available for bonuses / increases then it's definitely worth assessing which sectors deserves it most. In which case health care workers should be top of the list this year.
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Post by vokeswagen on Nov 20, 2020 22:36:47 GMT
Out of interest, why do you think the contracts are morally right wags? Because it’s fuck all to do with morals in the first place the world was in a even worse state than it is now and every country was trying to get the same PPE There was a world shortage and to me whatever means necessary was worth paying to achieve sufficient PPE Of course you are entitled to think differently On a pedantic note, it can’t be both fuck all to do with morals AND morally right I think if you look into the contracts awarded, you’ll find that in many instances it wasn’t a case of “whatever means necessary”. That’s the issue.There were plenty of means that didn’t entail giving money to a mate’s brand new company that had no history of ever successfully supplying PPE to anyone ever. To name but one example. Instead they chose fairly blatant corruption, which is now the subject of numerous legal challenges. It was more a case of “whatever means necessary to funnel money to our friends”. And of course yes we’re both entitled to think differently
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Post by franklin on Nov 20, 2020 22:37:51 GMT
While I have respect for those workers millions of others have continued to work also and as stated lots now dont or won't have a job to return to now and in the coming months. Now if you want an emotional response then there should be no pay freezes and instead pay rises thats fair on an emotional level, but its a practical decision to pay back billions so it might be unpopular but thats the right thing to do. Same. Worked all through and was told this week (along with all my colleagues) not to expect any wage increases this year. Didn't bother me at all as I understand we're falling on hard times. If there's no money available then there's no point debating if anyone should get an increase. However, if money is made available for bonuses / increases then it's definitely worth assessing which sectors deserves it most. In which case health care workers should be top of the list this year. My understanding is there has already been pay rises for the NHS etc reported a few weeks ago. When they get another one who knows but everyone's in the same boat.
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Post by slicko on Nov 20, 2020 22:38:27 GMT
While I have respect for those workers millions of others have continued to work also and as stated lots now dont or won't have a job to return to now and in the coming months. Now if you want an emotional response then there should be no pay freezes and instead pay rises thats fair on an emotional level, but its a practical decision to pay back billions so it might be unpopular but thats the right thing to do. Same. Worked all through and was told this week (along with all my colleagues) not to expect any wage increases this year. Didn't bother me at all as I understand we're falling on hard times. If there's no money available then there's no point debating if anyone should get an increase. However, if money is made available for bonuses / increases then it's definitely worth assessing which sectors deserves it most. In which case health care workers should be top of the list this year. But three years is a long time to add to the ten years of austerity and cuts they’ve already suffered. It’ll only be acceptable with a review every 12 months to keep wages inline with the private sector and inflation. Cuts both ways surely?
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Post by slicko on Nov 20, 2020 22:54:12 GMT
Same. Worked all through and was told this week (along with all my colleagues) not to expect any wage increases this year. Didn't bother me at all as I understand we're falling on hard times. If there's no money available then there's no point debating if anyone should get an increase. However, if money is made available for bonuses / increases then it's definitely worth assessing which sectors deserves it most. In which case health care workers should be top of the list this year. My understanding is there has already been pay rises for the NHS etc reported a few weeks ago. When they get another one who knows but everyone's in the same boat. “ From 1st April 2018 a restructuring of NHS Pay was set in place. It was called the New Pay Deal and it started a three year process where nurses' minimum salaries would increase by at least 6.5%. ... 1.7% in 2019/20 plus a lump sum worth 1.1% paid in April 2019. 1.7% in 2020/21.” And a bag of dry roasted peanuts.
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Post by franklin on Nov 20, 2020 22:56:30 GMT
My understanding is there has already been pay rises for the NHS etc reported a few weeks ago. When they get another one who knows but everyone's in the same boat. “ From 1st April 2018 a restructuring of NHS Pay was set in place. It was called the New Pay Deal and it started a three year process where nurses' minimum salaries would increase by at least 6.5%. ... 1.7% in 2019/20 plus a lump sum worth 1.1% paid in April 2019. 1.7% in 2020/21.” And a bag of dry roasted peanuts. Wasn't there another rise reported this year a stand alone rise or have I got the wrong end of the stick.
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Post by Goonie on Nov 21, 2020 0:08:01 GMT
Rumours are capital gains tax will also increase in line with income tax which is well over due
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Post by wagsastokie on Nov 21, 2020 6:28:42 GMT
My understanding is there has already been pay rises for the NHS etc reported a few weeks ago. When they get another one who knows but everyone's in the same boat. “ From 1st April 2018 a restructuring of NHS Pay was set in place. It was called the New Pay Deal and it started a three year process where nurses' minimum salaries would increase by at least 6.5%. ... 1.7% in 2019/20 plus a lump sum worth 1.1% paid in April 2019. 1.7% in 2020/21.” And a bag of dry roasted peanuts. Better phone one of the daughter in laws up and ask her if she can swap them for salted cashews Not overly fond of dry roasted
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Post by slicko on Nov 21, 2020 8:46:03 GMT
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Post by slicko on Nov 21, 2020 8:46:51 GMT
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Post by slicko on Nov 21, 2020 8:47:33 GMT
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Post by slicko on Nov 21, 2020 8:48:15 GMT
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Post by LL Cool Dave on Nov 21, 2020 23:20:50 GMT
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Post by cobhamstokey on Nov 22, 2020 8:03:44 GMT
This guys very marmite
But I think he’s got this very wrong. What actually makes him think that the vast majority of teachers and public sector workers actually think they’re entitled to a pay rise. I work in the public sector and am happy to have a pay freeze for however long it takes to get the country back on track. The increases are minimal anyway so it’s a small price to pay. I’m just grateful that I have a job right now as are a lot of the people I work with . It feels like the teachers will be next to get battered by the press just like the Police and NHS workers before them.
If he wants to point a finger do it at the unions.
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Post by slicko on Nov 22, 2020 9:12:09 GMT
This guys very marmite But I think he’s got this very wrong. What actually makes him think that the vast majority of teachers and public sector workers actually think they’re entitled to a pay rise. I work in the public sector and am happy to have a pay freeze for however long it takes to get the country back on track. The increases are minimal anyway so it’s a small price to pay. I’m just grateful that I have a job right now as are a lot of the people I work with . It feels like the teachers will be next to get battered by the press just like the Police and NHS workers before them. If he wants to point a finger do it at the unions. Are you equally happy to have a pay cut? Any deal similar to the last 10 year pay cap led to public sector salaries falling behind inflation by 15%. The bankers who caused the crisis did not.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Nov 22, 2020 9:31:41 GMT
This guys very marmite But I think he’s got this very wrong. What actually makes him think that the vast majority of teachers and public sector workers actually think they’re entitled to a pay rise. I work in the public sector and am happy to have a pay freeze for however long it takes to get the country back on track. The increases are minimal anyway so it’s a small price to pay. I’m just grateful that I have a job right now as are a lot of the people I work with . It feels like the teachers will be next to get battered by the press just like the Police and NHS workers before them. If he wants to point a finger do it at the unions. Are you equally happy to have a pay cut? Any deal similar to the last 10 year pay cap led to public sector salaries falling behind inflation by 15%. The bankers who caused the crisis did not. It’s not ideal but I’m prepared fo make the sacrifice if it benefits the country. My bigger issue is with the bankers and fat cats who aren’t prepared to do their bit when the countries in crisis.
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Post by followyoudown on Nov 22, 2020 11:29:47 GMT
She wanted to provide gowns at £15 a pop compared to the £1.30 they were paying previously to the pandemic its no wonder she did not get the contract even allowing for slightly dubious claims they could be used 100 times.
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Post by franklin on Nov 22, 2020 11:53:17 GMT
She wanted to provide gowns at £15 a pop compared to the £1.30 they were paying previously to the pandemic its no wonder she did not get the contract even allowing for slightly dubious claims they could be used 100 times. It was about numbers at the time it might be washed 100 times but while they are in the wash they are not available. They needed millions of them now and then not in the wash.
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Post by mattyd2 on Nov 22, 2020 12:33:55 GMT
Or you could do what I do and refuse to buy piss all from the shysters I'm happy for them to operate and be successful. Time now though to compel them to offer proper jobs, with proper benefits and be taxed to the full. This has to be the first stop on the journey of Corona payback. There is no flesh left to tear off the bone of the bottom rung. Holy Shit. I actually agree with you verbatim. Note to self...Take a look in the mirror and give your head a wobble before you start turning Marx.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Nov 22, 2020 12:39:27 GMT
Or you could do what I do and refuse to buy piss all from the shysters I'm happy for them to operate and be successful. Time now though to compel them to offer proper jobs, with proper benefits and be taxed to the full. This has to be the first stop on the journey of Corona payback. There is no flesh left to tear off the bone of the bottom rung. Spot on.
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Post by wagsastokie on Nov 22, 2020 12:53:52 GMT
This guys very marmite But I think he’s got this very wrong. What actually makes him think that the vast majority of teachers and public sector workers actually think they’re entitled to a pay rise. I work in the public sector and am happy to have a pay freeze for however long it takes to get the country back on track. The increases are minimal anyway so it’s a small price to pay. I’m just grateful that I have a job right now as are a lot of the people I work with . It feels like the teachers will be next to get battered by the press just like the Police and NHS workers before them. If he wants to point a finger do it at the unions. Are you equally happy to have a pay cut? Any deal similar to the last 10 year pay cap led to public sector salaries falling behind inflation by 15%. The bankers who caused the crisis did not. I don’t remember the labour MPs that fucked the country’s finances and leaving the cupboards bare taking a pay cut either
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Post by trentvale68 on Nov 22, 2020 15:58:26 GMT
Perhaps people should stop complaining about pay freezes and realise that there are other folk who have had their lives decimated by this shit? People in the private sector have had their livelihoods taken from them and have very little to go at on the jobs market. I can’t even get a job packing shit at a warehouse after coming from a middle management background because they’d rather employ people from abroad. Over qualified they say🤷🏻♂️ Have you tried the hospital? Always looking for Porters, it's not the best paid job but it's guaranteed work, as many hours as you want, pretty secure too.. It can take some getting used to like anything but once you get used to it, it's pretty easy. What with winter coming and people having to self isolate, staffing is a nightmare for them, if you're prepared to be flexible and have the right character, you'll get on there, they like older folks as generally more reliable plus there's a wide range, people who were managers, people who had their own business, all walks of life. I would call into the Russell Building for an application form 👍👍👍
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Nov 22, 2020 16:04:44 GMT
Perhaps people should stop complaining about pay freezes and realise that there are other folk who have had their lives decimated by this shit? People in the private sector have had their livelihoods taken from them and have very little to go at on the jobs market. I can’t even get a job packing shit at a warehouse after coming from a middle management background because they’d rather employ people from abroad. Over qualified they say🤷🏻♂️ Have you tried the hospital? Always looking for Porters, it's not the best paid job but it's guaranteed work, as many hours as you want, pretty secure too.. It can take some getting used to like anything but once you get used to it, it's pretty easy. What with winter coming and people having to self isolate, staffing is a nightmare for them, if you're prepared to be flexible and have the right character, you'll get on there, they like older folks as generally more reliable plus there's a wide range, people who were managers, people who had their own business, all walks of life. I would call into the Russell Building for an application form 👍👍👍 Nice one I hadn’t thought of that and I live a 5 minute walk from the hospital. My Mrs has just got a job at the hospital as well and the thought never crossed my mind. I’d be more than happy to do that for the time being. 👍🏻
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Post by trentvale68 on Nov 22, 2020 16:22:56 GMT
Have you tried the hospital? Always looking for Porters, it's not the best paid job but it's guaranteed work, as many hours as you want, pretty secure too.. It can take some getting used to like anything but once you get used to it, it's pretty easy. What with winter coming and people having to self isolate, staffing is a nightmare for them, if you're prepared to be flexible and have the right character, you'll get on there, they like older folks as generally more reliable plus there's a wide range, people who were managers, people who had their own business, all walks of life. I would call into the Russell Building for an application form 👍👍👍 Nice one I hadn’t thought of that and I live a 5 minute walk from the hospital. My Mrs has just got a job at the hospital as well and the thought never crossed my mind. I’d be more than happy to do that for the time being. 👍🏻 Well, I did think with your name lol... Ive been there 4 years, good bunch of lads, quite a few in my age group, 50 plus.. You could always try the Blue Arrow agency as they can get you on quicker, they had said they were stopping using agency but with the current situation, that could change as they bred people often at short notice. Like I say it's not brilliant money but for me it works, I'm only 15 minutes walk away, was lucking to get left a house so I've no mortgage, it pays my bills and my beer money and a pit to put aside and it's good honest work, I can say I've done some good in the world, there been one or two times I've played a very small part in saving a life. I'd done 30 years admin before that and I honestly would find it hard to get behind a desk again now. Anyway try the Russell Building, good luck, like I say, people with the right attitude would always get on there and it would certainly tie you over until spring 👍👍
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Post by slicko on Nov 22, 2020 22:22:44 GMT
Are you equally happy to have a pay cut? Any deal similar to the last 10 year pay cap led to public sector salaries falling behind inflation by 15%. The bankers who caused the crisis did not. I don’t remember the labour MPs that fucked the country’s finances and leaving the cupboards bare taking a pay cut either The question that everyone, without exception, should be asked is “what will you do financially to get the country back on its feet?”. I wonder if those self-employed tradesmen will declare their tax on foreigners for the good of the country? If not, then why not. The public sector will be taking a pay freeze/cut and paying taxes. Puts it in perspective doesn’t it.
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Post by Soro's Sorrows on Nov 22, 2020 23:03:19 GMT
I don’t remember the labour MPs that fucked the country’s finances and leaving the cupboards bare taking a pay cut either The question that everyone, without exception, should be asked is “what will you do financially to get the country back on its feet?”. I wonder if those self-employed tradesmen will declare their tax on foreigners for the good of the country? If not, then why not. The public sector will be taking a pay freeze/cut and paying taxes. Puts it in perspective doesn’t it. Are these the same tradesmen that have had their livelihoods devastated over the last 7 months, the ones that don't get your holiday pay, your sick pay or your pension? No one in their right mind want's to see public sector pay freezes in the same way that they don't want to see millions in the private sector lose their jobs or be subject to pay freezes/cut's. Nothing about this situation is fair! If you are so unhappy with your pay and conditions do what everyone else has to do and sell your talent's to a higher bidder.
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Post by franklin on Nov 22, 2020 23:05:29 GMT
I don’t remember the labour MPs that fucked the country’s finances and leaving the cupboards bare taking a pay cut either The question that everyone, without exception, should be asked is “what will you do financially to get the country back on its feet?”. I wonder if those self-employed tradesmen will declare their tax on foreigners for the good of the country? If not, then why not. The public sector will be taking a pay freeze/cut and paying taxes. Puts it in perspective doesn’t it. Simple really they are criminals.
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Post by Orbs on Nov 22, 2020 23:13:54 GMT
The question that everyone, without exception, should be asked is “what will you do financially to get the country back on its feet?”. I wonder if those self-employed tradesmen will declare their tax on foreigners for the good of the country? If not, then why not. The public sector will be taking a pay freeze/cut and paying taxes. Puts it in perspective doesn’t it. Are these the same tradesmen that have had their livelihoods devastated over the last 7 months, the ones that don't get your holiday pay, your sick pay or your pension? No one in their right mind want's to see public sector pay freezes in the same way that they don't want to see millions in the private sector lose their jobs or be subject to pay freezes/cut's. Nothing about this situation is fair! If you are so unhappy with your pay and conditions do what everyone else has to do and sell your talent's to a higher bidder. The same tradesmen who probably haven’t paid the right tax over their entire working life you mean? I love this argument about pensions too. You mean the pension I pay £450 for every month out of my salary? That pension? It’s not free.
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