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Post by prestwichpotter on Mar 23, 2021 11:49:59 GMT
It has to be said the authorities need to throw the book at England for their slow over rate in all formats, it's getting silly......
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Post by partickpotter on Mar 23, 2021 12:28:31 GMT
First ODI now well underway with India batting. England have bowled and fielded generally very well so far, but India are batting very nicely; 130-1 after 27 overs. Looks likely we’ll be chasing something north of 300. Edit - Mo just shelled a dolly! First 6/7 overs we bowled and fielding exceptionally, but way too many four balls since then. Wood worries me in 50 over cricket, we always talk about his pace which is great but he's too expensive and doesn't take enough wickets that's the long and short of it. I think 350 is on the cards now never mind 300, hopefully will be a cracker if we can get going with the bat...... EDIT Right on cue he gets a wicket A bit of a curates egg performance from England in the field. That final score could have been better for us, but it could have been worse. A good test for our batting to see if we can chase it down.
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Post by partickpotter on Mar 23, 2021 12:30:27 GMT
It has to be said the authorities need to throw the book at England for their slow over rate in all formats, it's getting silly...... I think I heard someone say that the only country with a worse over rate than us is... India! Time run punishments were applied - 10 for every over not bowled in time might be an effective way to fix the problem.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Mar 23, 2021 12:32:42 GMT
It has to be said the authorities need to throw the book at England for their slow over rate in all formats, it's getting silly...... I think I heard someone say that the only country with a worse over rate than us is... India! Time run punishments were applied - 10 for every over not bowled in time might be an effective way to fix the problem. Absolutely, in the last T20 towards the end of England's chase they were bowling an over every 10 minutes it was ridiculous. You'd only have to throw the book at these teams once, if that penalty was the difference between losing and winning they'd soon get their act together......
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Mar 23, 2021 14:02:10 GMT
Was Stokes dying to get to he toilet?
Looks like Morgan is needing the Bog also.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Mar 23, 2021 14:49:40 GMT
Well we looked to have royally messed up this run chase. Big opportunity for Billings and Moeen now to cement their place the run rate is more than achievable, big ask though chasing another 140 from here with 5 wickets left......
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Post by tuum on Mar 23, 2021 15:09:32 GMT
These two need to get us through to 250 and even then it will be tough. 2 quick wkts in the next 8 overs and we will be back to square one.
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Post by tuum on Mar 23, 2021 15:16:06 GMT
Here we go!
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Post by prestwichpotter on Mar 23, 2021 15:29:54 GMT
Should have bought a right hander in instead of Curran the lefties seem to get bogged down when India start bowling their cutters. Even Rashid is more than capable of not just sticking around but playing a few unorthodox shots, he's really hard to set a field to......
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Mar 23, 2021 15:42:11 GMT
Dreadful batting from England since the early onslaught
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Post by prestwichpotter on Mar 23, 2021 15:45:35 GMT
Should have bought a right hander in instead of Curran the lefties seem to get bogged down when India start bowling their cutters. Even Rashid is more than capable of not just sticking around but playing a few unorthodox shots, he's really hard to set a field to...... Cheers Adil
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Post by prestwichpotter on Mar 23, 2021 15:46:20 GMT
Dreadful batting from England since the early onslaught Woeful, absolutely woeful......
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Post by sheikhmomo on Mar 23, 2021 15:58:18 GMT
Well what an absolute pigs ear we made of that from 135/0 to 251 all out. Hugely disappointing.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Mar 23, 2021 15:58:40 GMT
Game over. Very poor from England.
We've lost 12 of our last 15 ODI's in India I'm not sure I see that trend changing anytime soon.......
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Post by partickpotter on Mar 23, 2021 17:00:55 GMT
Well, that was disappointing.
From 135-0 of 14 overs to 251 all out after 42.
We lost 10 wickets for 116 runs in 28 overs.
Maybe disappointing is a bit understating what I think!
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Post by chuckrocky on Mar 23, 2021 19:32:20 GMT
Not the first time we’ve seen a defeat of that nature and certainly wont be the last with the brand of cricket we play in this format.
Most sides would coast home after the start we made with the bat but unfortunately we weren’t willing to change our approach which was our downfall.
The form of Morgan and Stokes with the bat is a concern and Buttler continues to be frustrating with his ‘good’ innings becoming increasingly few and far between.
Mo and Billings need moving on from this side and the selection of Tom Curran continues to baffle.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Mar 23, 2021 20:29:18 GMT
Not the first time we’ve seen a defeat of that nature and certainly wont be the last with the brand of cricket we play in this format. Most sides would coast home after the start we made with the bat but unfortunately we weren’t willing to change our approach which was our downfall. The form of Morgan and Stokes with the bat is a concern and Buttler continues to be frustrating with his ‘good’ innings becoming increasingly few and far between. Mo and Billings need moving on from this side and the selection of Tom Curran continues to baffle. I remain unconvinced by Billings and he's not a young lad anymore, constantly flatters to deceive. Time for Sam Hain.......
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Post by chuckrocky on Mar 23, 2021 21:06:37 GMT
Not the first time we’ve seen a defeat of that nature and certainly wont be the last with the brand of cricket we play in this format. Most sides would coast home after the start we made with the bat but unfortunately we weren’t willing to change our approach which was our downfall. The form of Morgan and Stokes with the bat is a concern and Buttler continues to be frustrating with his ‘good’ innings becoming increasingly few and far between. Mo and Billings need moving on from this side and the selection of Tom Curran continues to baffle. I remain unconvinced by Billings and he's not a young lad anymore, constantly flatters to deceive. Time for Sam Hain....... He’s had plenty of opportunities and never takes his chance, the only thing I would say in his defence is that he’s never been given an extended run in the side. Hain will surely be given a go sooner rather than later, he would have been ideal in that kind of run chase today.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Mar 23, 2021 21:35:34 GMT
I remain unconvinced by Billings and he's not a young lad anymore, constantly flatters to deceive. Time for Sam Hain....... He’s had plenty of opportunities and never takes his chance, the only thing I would say in his defence is that he’s never been given an extended run in the side. Hain will surely be given a go sooner rather than later, he would have been ideal in that kind of run chase today. The next 50 over World Cup isn't till 2023, need to blood a few whilst we have plenty of time, obviously the T20 World Cup is this year so far less tinkering for the next 6 months.......
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Post by prestwichpotter on Mar 25, 2021 15:07:36 GMT
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Post by professorplump on Mar 25, 2021 17:27:35 GMT
Having Morgan and Billings ruled out might not be a bad thing in some ways, as I think Livingstone is long overdue an opportunity and Malan seems the obvious stand in for Root. I don't know if I'm just being harsh but I feel that Morgan is a little past his best as a batsman and has obvious issues with short pitched bowling. He is still a great captain though.
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Post by chuckrocky on Mar 26, 2021 7:36:47 GMT
Another toss won and we’re bowling again. Livingston, Malan and Topley in for Morgan, Billings and Wood.
I don’t envy the job Buttler has trying to limit India with that bowling attack.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Mar 26, 2021 8:15:11 GMT
India typically cautious early on but a decent start from the bowlers.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Mar 26, 2021 8:34:16 GMT
And now the freebies start rack up.
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Post by partickpotter on Mar 26, 2021 9:01:51 GMT
India typically cautious early on but a decent start from the bowlers. It’s interesting that India these days play ODIs more like England used to - steady at the start with a view to having wickets in the bank for a late thrash. England of course go hard from the start and keep pressing throughout. Ok, it worked for India in the first odi, but only because we messed up the run chase. I’m much happier with England’s approach, I hope they keep with it.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Mar 26, 2021 9:04:15 GMT
India typically cautious early on but a decent start from the bowlers. It’s interesting that India these days play ODIs more like England used to - steady at the start with a view to having wickets in the bank for a late thrash. England of course go hard from the start and keep pressing throughout. Ok, it worked for India in the first odi, but only because we messed up the run chase. I’m much happier with England’s approach a few hope they keep with it. Yeah it does seem an old fashioned approach from India particularly and fairly flawed in the modern day if wickets do fall. They can always get through on raw talent but much prefer England's approach as well.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Mar 26, 2021 11:29:03 GMT
Tom Curran is shit. I have nothing else to say......
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Post by prestwichpotter on Mar 26, 2021 11:39:55 GMT
Actually one more thing, Topley has really impressed me......
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Post by lancashirelad on Mar 26, 2021 11:51:59 GMT
India really have some impressive batters and a very challenging total. As above PP says i think both Currans poor bowling again but Topley was a positive.
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Post by partickpotter on Mar 26, 2021 11:57:29 GMT
Tom Curran is shit. I have nothing else to say...... He’s a throwback to those all rounders from the 1990s who ain’t much cop with bat or ball. His wee brother isn’t much better but probably just about merits a position as the 4th seamer batting at #8. But only when Woakes isn’t available. If we want a left arm seamer, we should pick a bona fide left hand seamer. Like, for instance, Topley, who, as you say, has been impressive today. That isn’t too surprising - he is a proper bowler! Speaking of proper bowlers... I wonder at what point do we start putting Stokes into the category of being a part time bowler. In the same way we think of Root’s off spin; worth a try from time to time but not something we depend on. And, while I’m in rant mode, what about proper keepers. I’ve just about run out of patience with Buttler as glovesman in anything other than T20s.
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