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Post by davejohnno1 on Nov 20, 2020 19:20:08 GMT
He's always been suspeptible to getting turned but only by the very best but it was being more common. But wasn't it more to do with the absolute zero protection offered from the midfield? He'd very often have to fill the void that the midfield should have been in, was out of position, arriving a bit late and easier to turn and then more space to run in to. In a team that's organised it should be much less of a problem. That's not what was happening - he was getting turned while in position - in our first season in the Championship it got to the point where he was actually being targeted by the opposition. The succession of back injuries had taken there toll. At his peak he could get tight on an attacker and more often than not come out on top. Over the last few seasons his body wasn't responding and in a back four he was becoming a liability. He needs to change his game - drop of a bit, sweep up and let others put their body on the line. The encouraging bit of the article was that he seems to have accepted he can't do what he used to do - to date he hadn't seemed to accept that and was trying to play like he was still in his twenties. I really hope he comes back - but he needs to play with his head more and if he gets it right I think he could be great in a back 3. Ryan's struggles with injury came at a time when our centre halves were most exposed by the absence of any midfield protection at all. If ryan is fully fit and a regular in the team from christmas onwards, we'll more than likely go up. At his best he's outstanding and if his speeds and general fitness are as good as he says he will only need to be at 70% of his best, in a well organised team, to be the best centre half in the league by some distance. More than anything, I really hope he comes back, stays fit and finishes his time with us in a way befitting of how good a player he's been for us.
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Post by jarhead on Nov 20, 2020 19:20:31 GMT
Yes tomorrow in goal!
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Nov 20, 2020 19:30:41 GMT
I worry he will be made a fool of after being out so long. Get him in the squad and bring in when really needed. I’m sure MON will see what he’s capable of and make informed decisions. Hope he hasn’t lost anything but if he can’t play to his strengths anymore then how effective will he be?
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Post by longdistancekiddie on Nov 20, 2020 21:39:26 GMT
Here we go again
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Nov 20, 2020 22:01:21 GMT
He walks straight into the team surely, really hope he's ready this time.
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Post by hotterpotter on Nov 20, 2020 22:42:12 GMT
Pencilled in for the under-23s. Am I missing something?
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Nov 21, 2020 9:42:05 GMT
Pencilled in for the under-23s. Am I missing something? No, I reckon you have understood perfectly well that he is pencilled in for the next under 23 game!
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Nov 21, 2020 9:57:00 GMT
That's not what was happening - he was getting turned while in position - in our first season in the Championship it got to the point where he was actually being targeted by the opposition. The succession of back injuries had taken there toll. At his peak he could get tight on an attacker and more often than not come out on top. Over the last few seasons his body wasn't responding and in a back four he was becoming a liability. He needs to change his game - drop of a bit, sweep up and let others put their body on the line. The encouraging bit of the article was that he seems to have accepted he can't do what he used to do - to date he hadn't seemed to accept that and was trying to play like he was still in his twenties. I really hope he comes back - but he needs to play with his head more and if he gets it right I think he could be great in a back 3. Ryan's struggles with injury came at a time when our centre halves were most exposed by the absence of any midfield protection at all. If ryan is fully fit and a regular in the team from christmas onwards, we'll more than likely go up. At his best he's outstanding and if his speeds and general fitness are as good as he says he will only need to be at 70% of his best, in a well organised team, to be the best centre half in the league by some distance. More than anything, I really hope he comes back, stays fit and finishes his time with us in a way befitting of how good a player he's been for us. I sincerely hope he does come back but there's a lot of rewriting of recent history going on around Ryan's form. He was terrible that first season in the Championship and it had nothing to do with the midfield. He hadn't recovered from his back problems and he hadn't altered his game to deal with the realities of the ageing process - the only reason he was being picked was reputation. He shouldn't have even made the bench. The encouraging thing about the interview is that he has finally realised he needs to change the way he trains and (hopefully) the way he plays. I genuinely think there is a good chance of seeing Ryan as a first team regular - but it won't be the same player as the one in his pomp in the Premiership because that one has shot his bolt.
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Post by hotterpotter on Nov 21, 2020 10:09:34 GMT
Pencilled in for the under-23s. Am I missing something? No, I reckon you have understood perfectly well that he is pencilled in for the next under 23 game! Shows how much notice I take of matters outside the first team - thought the whole team had to be under 23... 🙃
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Nov 21, 2020 10:19:56 GMT
No, I reckon you have understood perfectly well that he is pencilled in for the next under 23 game! Shows how much notice I take of matters outside the first team - thought the whole team had to be under 23... 🙃 The U23 teams during the past few weeks have featured Wimmer and Bauer, who are keeping themselves fit whilst they try to persuade a top European club to sign them. Bauer even got a hat trick the other week! I can't remember how many over 23 players the team is allowed - 4 or 5 at a guess. Useful to enable injured players to regain fitness now there is no reserve team. Charlie Adam often used to play U 23 games to keep himself looking lean and mean.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2020 10:45:10 GMT
I really feel for the lad with the injuries etc. He’s been one hell of a servant, but that’s it for Ryan now. If he got back to full fitness he wouldn’t be good enough to get in anyway
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2020 8:15:11 GMT
It would be absolute poetry if Ryan got fit and played the rest of the season - and was our main catalyst to promotion
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Post by nott1 on Nov 23, 2020 8:41:35 GMT
I really feel for the lad with the injuries etc. He’s been one hell of a servant, but that’s it for Ryan now. If he got back to full fitness he wouldn’t be good enough to get in anyway [/b] Oh yes he would, look at the marking for their goals on Saturday by players you think are better...no way!
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Post by cruelking on Nov 23, 2020 14:29:06 GMT
He’s the only left footed centre back we have on the books. I imagine that O’Neill has no intention to rush him back to fitness (unless we start to fall to pieces) but that he will be excited to have him back. he's right footed
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Post by jezzascfc on Nov 23, 2020 14:40:40 GMT
An under-23 defence featuring Bauer, Wimmer and Shawcross - between them earning more than the rest of the players on the pitch.........and probably all of the coaching staff present too!
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Post by mattythestokie on Nov 23, 2020 14:44:25 GMT
I really feel for the lad with the injuries etc. He’s been one hell of a servant, but that’s it for Ryan now. If he got back to full fitness he wouldn’t be good enough to get in anyway Of course he would.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2020 22:23:17 GMT
I really feel for the lad with the injuries etc. He’s been one hell of a servant, but that’s it for Ryan now. If he got back to full fitness he wouldn’t be good enough to get in anyway [/b] Oh yes he would, look at the marking for their goals on Saturday by players you think are better...no way! [/quote] Which one? The keeper error one, the offside one or the header? At 33 Ryan’s best days are long gone, youth will make mistakes but I’d rather persevere with them than bring back dads army
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Post by foxysgloves on Nov 23, 2020 23:32:39 GMT
I really feel for the lad with the injuries etc. He’s been one hell of a servant, but that’s it for Ryan now. If he got back to full fitness he wouldn’t be good enough to get in anyway Eh? Of course he would. A fully fit Ryan Shawcross walks into any Championship team. And a lot of Premier League teams too.
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Post by Rt Hon Reverend Luvpump on Nov 23, 2020 23:37:49 GMT
I really feel for the lad with the injuries etc. He’s been one hell of a servant, but that’s it for Ryan now. If he got back to full fitness he wouldn’t be good enough to get in anyway Robert Huth 🤷♂️
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 23, 2020 23:40:58 GMT
He was very good tonight I thought.
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Post by march4 on Nov 23, 2020 23:45:45 GMT
He was very good tonight I thought. Agreed. Let’s hope he is over these injuries issues.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Nov 24, 2020 0:41:15 GMT
He was very good tonight I thought. What was the line up?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2020 6:48:40 GMT
I really feel for the lad with the injuries etc. He’s been one hell of a servant, but that’s it for Ryan now. If he got back to full fitness he wouldn’t be good enough to get in anyway Eh? Of course he would. A fully fit Ryan Shawcross walks into any Championship team. And a lot of Premier League teams too. Fully fit 4 years ago maybe. But not now. Part of me doesn’t want him back because he was already on the decline. He had lost that initial yard of pace, and he simply couldn’t turn. Last few times he played it was painful to see as his body clearly couldn’t do what the mind wanted him to do
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2020 7:04:44 GMT
You can't say that he was involved with the key situations because he was upfield after corners. Otherwise he looked good but despite the result Villa wasn't very good, and Shawcross had to do very little tackling, for instance. You could say he wasn't really needed, because Forrester, who was the captain not Ryan, marshalled the defence very well (and also was upfield when the damage happened), and apart from his moment of madness, Lindsay wasn't bad, Macari, not a real fullback but playing there looked very good tpp.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 24, 2020 7:19:15 GMT
He was very good tonight I thought. What was the line up? It started with Broome in goal and Coates as a right wing back but changed to this in the 9th minute after Broome was sent off: Hemfrey Forrester Shawcross Lindsay Macari Varion Sparrow Porter Verlinden Norton
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Post by foxysgloves on Nov 24, 2020 9:09:49 GMT
Eh? Of course he would. A fully fit Ryan Shawcross walks into any Championship team. And a lot of Premier League teams too. Fully fit 4 years ago maybe. But not now. Part of me doesn’t want him back because he was already on the decline. He had lost that initial yard of pace, and he simply couldn’t turn. Last few times he played it was painful to see as his body clearly couldn’t do what the mind wanted him to do A fully fit Ryan Shawcross is what we’re discussing though. If he’s fully fit then none of those weaknesses apply. I admit it’s increasingly unlikely that he’ll ever regain full fitness but if he ever does he would be a phenomenal asset. Players like Ryan appear once a generation if you’re lucky. He should be given every chance to prove himself fit. Fortunately I think MON thinks along those lines too.
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Post by bgreen13 on Nov 24, 2020 9:12:49 GMT
Personally I don't think we will.
We should not forget the immense influence he has had on us and should be classed as a modern day legend.
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Post by jonparkinsgut on Nov 24, 2020 9:21:38 GMT
Shows how much notice I take of matters outside the first team - thought the whole team had to be under 23... 🙃 The U23 teams during the past few weeks have featured Wimmer and Bauer, who are keeping themselves fit whilst they try to persuade a top European club to sign them. Bauer even got a hat trick the other week! I can't remember how many over 23 players the team is allowed - 4 or 5 at a guess. Useful to enable injured players to regain fitness now there is no reserve team. Charlie Adam often used to play U 23 games to keep himself looking lean and mean. Wimmer and fit should never appear in the same sentence
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Post by nottsover60 on Nov 24, 2020 9:22:04 GMT
The loss of pace is a myth which no one has provided evidence of except a not fully fit Shawcross being beaten in a very poor defence which when he played in our last Premier season was unbelievably better. I'm pretty sure that during lock down he registered one of the fastest sprint times in the whole football pyramid? His problems have been trying to play when not fit which did neither his performances or his body any favours. I'm hoping that he is being properly monitored now rather than being rushed back by managers desperate for him to play (which in itself shows how good those managers thought he was).
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Post by flea79 on Nov 24, 2020 10:27:34 GMT
im not excited at all to see him back, lets not forget he was integral part of our woeful defence as we were relegated from the prem and didnt shine in the first season back in the championship, yes he is a hero but his time has come to hang up the boots and pass his knowledge onto the next generation and hopefully help make the next Ryan Shawcross
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