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Post by AlbertTatlock on Oct 25, 2020 21:16:54 GMT
With the emergence of Collins and Souttar in the centre of defence and Fox able to play there along with Batth and Chester (who MON seems to rate) where does Ryan fit in all this. he can't play wing back or full back, he's no defensive midfielder and at 33 hes' no spring chicken. So what next for Ryan? Sadly I think we've seen the last of him for Stoke. Gouranga.
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Post by miltonpotter on Oct 25, 2020 21:24:13 GMT
Fingers crossed we will. I think it would be great for Harry and Nath to have Ryan alongside them for a few games teaching them some of the dark arts.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Oct 25, 2020 21:27:02 GMT
I think it would take a humongous downturn in fortunes to see him in a first team Stoke shirt again unfortunately.
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Post by dutchstokie on Oct 25, 2020 21:57:35 GMT
Sincerely hope so....
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Oct 25, 2020 22:47:48 GMT
100% we will when the toughest moments arise the leader will rise to the challenge make no mistake
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Post by boweryboy on Oct 25, 2020 22:49:04 GMT
Chester before a fit Shawcross.... REALLY... Another two goals conceded,is Chester the right player playing alongside two young centre harve's,he has been guilty of goals conceded in the past when on loan..then to my amazement we sign him, unbelievable Jeff !!!
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Post by lordb on Oct 25, 2020 22:55:33 GMT
Chester before a fit Shawcross.... REALLY... Another two goals conceded,is Chester the right player playing alongside two young centre harve's,he has been guilty of goals conceded in the past when on loan..then to my amazement we sign him, unbelievable Jeff !!! What did Chester do wrong for either goal? Tymon suicidal back pass...yup Chester's fault
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Post by RF10 on Oct 25, 2020 23:11:09 GMT
If fit I'd play Ryan over Chester without a doubt.
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Post by boweryboy on Oct 25, 2020 23:29:12 GMT
Perhaps an experienced centre half would have yelled at him what to do with the ball...such as play it up the line,Tymon another young player who needs guidance from an experienced player along side him...did not look to me as though he got any communication from anybody at the time,and at the time McLain had the opportunity to play it up the line, but chose to put Tymon in trouble, I'm not saying Chester was directly to blame for the goals on the face of it,but does he communicate with the players around him to get them out of trouble,Batth played against Luton and we didn't concede..why would you change it,leaked four goals in two games since Chester has come in... just saying, he's not for me at all!!
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Oct 26, 2020 0:20:36 GMT
If Ryan plays again, I reckon it'll be Collins that'll lose his place before Chester!!!
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Post by longdistancekiddie on Oct 26, 2020 0:31:24 GMT
Perhaps an experienced centre half would have yelled at him what to do with the ball...such as play it up the line,Tymon another young player who needs guidance from an experienced player along side him...did not look to me as though he got any communication from anybody at the time,and at the time McLain had the opportunity to play it up the line, but chose to put Tymon in trouble, I'm not saying Chester was directly to blame for the goals on the face of it,but does he communicate with the players around him to get them out of trouble,Batth played against Luton and we didn't concede..why would you change it,leaked four goals in two games since Chester has come in... just saying, he's not for me at all!! Rubbish, Tymon also was shite at the throw in just before that giving the ball away. When McClean passed the ball back to Tymon he made a run down the wing expecting the ball to come over his head to create a attack, all Tymon had to do was boot it down the wing.
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Post by CalgaryPotter on Oct 26, 2020 0:54:28 GMT
If fit I'd play Ryan over Chester without a doubt. +1
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2020 0:56:24 GMT
Whatever happens we should see him run out in a Stoke shirt at least once more and that's in the great mans testimonial in front of a packed Bet365......
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2020 1:26:54 GMT
He’s the only left footed centre back we have on the books. I imagine that O’Neill has no intention to rush him back to fitness (unless we start to fall to pieces) but that he will be excited to have him back.
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Post by s7oke on Oct 26, 2020 6:16:18 GMT
Ryan over Chester every day Chester is very short for a centre half And slow Also against Brentford could have given a couple of pens away grabbing players and shirts Yes I know they all do it
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Post by DC1863 on Oct 26, 2020 7:24:26 GMT
He’s the only left footed centre back we have on the books. I imagine that O’Neill has no intention to rush him back to fitness (unless we start to fall to pieces) but that he will be excited to have him back. Shawcross? He's right footed?
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Post by nottsover60 on Oct 26, 2020 7:25:35 GMT
Perhaps an experienced centre half would have yelled at him what to do with the ball...such as play it up the line,Tymon another young player who needs guidance from an experienced player along side him...did not look to me as though he got any communication from anybody at the time,and at the time McLain had the opportunity to play it up the line, but chose to put Tymon in trouble, I'm not saying Chester was directly to blame for the goals on the face of it,but does he communicate with the players around him to get them out of trouble,Batth played against Luton and we didn't concede..why would you change it,leaked four goals in two games since Chester has come in... just saying, he's not for me at all!! Rubbish, Tymon also was shite at the throw in just before that giving the ball away. When McClean passed the ball back to Tymon he made a run down the wing expecting the ball to come over his head to create a attack, all Tymon had to do was boot it down the wing. The point isn't whether Tymon made a mistake, he obviously did. The question is who shouted to him not to go backwards. Chester and McLean two experienced players were nearest to him and perhaps in the last few minutes of a game when McLean passed the ball to him he should have said boot it upfield. All hindsight though but Ryan has always been good at directing young players.
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Post by foxysgloves on Oct 26, 2020 7:34:31 GMT
I hope so yes. Along with Collins and Souttar.
To quote Kevin Keegan “I would love it”
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Post by foxysgloves on Oct 26, 2020 7:35:55 GMT
Chester before a fit Shawcross.... REALLY... Another two goals conceded,is Chester the right player playing alongside two young centre harve's,he has been guilty of goals conceded in the past when on loan..then to my amazement we sign him, unbelievable Jeff !!! What did Chester do wrong for either goal? Tymon suicidal back pass...yup Chester's fault Yeah but. He’s the new scapegoat. It HAS to be his fault. That’s the rules.
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Post by Cast no shadow on Oct 26, 2020 7:58:20 GMT
Well, who else is going head our winning goal in the play off final?
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Post by GeneralFaye on Oct 26, 2020 8:01:38 GMT
I've said it before and I'll say it again. Souttar HAS to play in the middle of a back 3 and so does Ryan. They're both lacking mobility in wide areas and I think Collins is only just getting away with it, adding another in the mix will make us vulnerable to any decent pace and movement.
To answer the question, I think this might be Ryans last season with us and it's a shame how it's ending because he deserves to go out on his own terms.
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Post by sd22 on Oct 26, 2020 8:03:07 GMT
Well, who else is going head our winning goal in the play off final? If this happens, he will go from immortal to god status in my eyes!!!
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Post by lordb on Oct 26, 2020 8:27:33 GMT
I've said it before and I'll say it again. Souttar HAS to play in the middle of a back 3 and so does Ryan. They're both lacking mobility in wide areas and I think Collins is only just getting away with it, adding another in the mix will make us vulnerable to any decent pace and movement. To answer the question, I think this might be Ryans last season with us and it's a shame how it's ending because he deserves to go out on his own terms. And Baath
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2020 9:43:58 GMT
Chester before a fit Shawcross.... REALLY... Another two goals conceded,is Chester the right player playing alongside two young centre harve's,he has been guilty of goals conceded in the past when on loan..then to my amazement we sign him, unbelievable Jeff !!! What did Chester do wrong for either goal? Tymon suicidal back pass...yup Chester's fault He didn't offer Tymon a better option...don't think it would have made much difference tbh.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2020 9:49:05 GMT
O'Neill has been very encouraging and supportive of Ryan and has repeatedly stated that Stoke needs a fit Shawcross. That's the good part.
But if the cds get to have their house in order, i.e. go through a sequence of games with cleen sheets, then it might be a different thing. Would you break up something that's working well to accomodate a player who's probably going to have a question mark over him till the end of the line?
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Post by boskampsflaps on Oct 26, 2020 12:15:35 GMT
Chester before a fit Shawcross.... REALLY... Another two goals conceded,is Chester the right player playing alongside two young centre harve's,he has been guilty of goals conceded in the past when on loan..then to my amazement we sign him, unbelievable Jeff !!! What did Chester do wrong for either goal? Tymon suicidal back pass...yup Chester's fault Its more than just the goals though, he kept giving the ball away, a couple of times in dangerous areas, he's cack.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Oct 26, 2020 12:20:07 GMT
What did Chester do wrong for either goal? Tymon suicidal back pass...yup Chester's fault Its more than just the goals though, he kept giving the ball away, a couple of times in dangerous areas, he's cack. Yeah, he gave the ball away at least twice, once lost us possession on the edge of the area and could easily have cost us a goal. He used to be an excellent defender not long ago, what on earth has happened to him?
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Post by AlbertTatlock on Oct 26, 2020 12:32:57 GMT
Why the fuck has this thread turned into a Chester debate? If people want to squabble about the pros and cons of Chester then I'm sure there's already a thread or two already on here about him. Gouranga.
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Post by lordb on Oct 26, 2020 12:49:14 GMT
What did Chester do wrong for either goal? Tymon suicidal back pass...yup Chester's fault Its more than just the goals though, he kept giving the ball away, a couple of times in dangerous areas, he's cack. That's a different argument though Not rating Chester, thinking someone else should play, having concerns...all perfectly reasonable. Blaming him for goals that had nothing to do with him as the other post did is not a valid argument. If Chester was anywhere near as bad as best made out on this message board ONeill would be out of order picking him. As it is, in my view, Chester has been good (as all our defenders have at least defensively) since the Leeds debacle. I think the debate with the 3 CBs rather than a back 4 is more interesting than simply saying (as so many do) 'Chester is shit' when he in my view isn't
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Post by boskampsflaps on Oct 26, 2020 12:58:26 GMT
Its more than just the goals though, he kept giving the ball away, a couple of times in dangerous areas, he's cack. Yeah, he gave the ball away at least twice, once lost us possession on the edge of the area and could easily have cost us a goal. He used to be an excellent defender not long ago, what on earth has happened to him? He last injury seems to have done for him unfortunately, when we were first linked to him (Rowett?) I thought he would have been a great signing.
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