Mikel

[bayernoatcake]

Oct 27, 2020 22:56:43 GMT prestwichpotter said:

Oct 27, 2020 22:53:08 GMT bayernoatcake said:

Agenda? I like Mikel 😂

Mikel should fill in. It’s lazy play and from an experienced player who should know better.

Gunn obviously should deal with it but so should Mikel. Indeed if he does then Gunn probably doesn’t need to make a decision and stays on his line. Very poor from the pair of them and I’d fully expect Mikel to get a bollocking for it.

You say lazy, the reality may be he was physically and mentally shattered at that point. There's a difference, he's certainly hasn't demonstrated throughout his distinguished career that he's a lazy player.....

I think in the last three games for us (the only period of his career I care about) he’s shown he switches off in situations like that. The Barnsley first is exactly the same. The man he should go with scores.

It’s poor from such an experienced player.

[ethers26]

Oct 27, 2020 22:57:08 GMT bayernoatcake said:

Oct 27, 2020 22:56:05 GMT ethers26 said:

You've had some outrageously weird agendas as everyone on here knows, but flying into Mikel for being the 'worst player in our midfield', and for a goal which was quite clearly a massive goalkeeping error, might just top the lot.

If you can’t see how Mikel doesn’t do his job there there then there’s no hope I’m sorry.

The whole back 4 bar McClean don't do their job.

It's late in the game, we're pushing for an equaliser, he's basically played in midfield on his own all game having played several games in a matter of days, and it should have easily been dealt with by yet another shit keeper it seems.

After that performance, you're going on and on about Mikel - the least of our problems tonight. Odd.

[bayernoatcake]

Oct 27, 2020 23:01:49 GMT ethers26 said:

Oct 27, 2020 22:57:08 GMT bayernoatcake said:

If you can’t see how Mikel doesn’t do his job there there then there’s no hope I’m sorry.

The whole back 4 bar McClean don't do their job.

It's late in the game, we're pushing for an equaliser, he's basically played in midfield on his own all game having played several games in a matter of days, and it should have easily been dealt with by yet another shit keeper it seems.

After that performance, you're going on and on about Mikel - the least of our problems tonight. Odd.

We didn’t have a midfield throughout and then only one of them makes an error you’d bollock a 12 year old for that leads to the goal.

The stage of the game doesn’t matter. He’s tracking his man, he inexplicably stops, that man is then left in acres of space and scores. It’s awful play from him irrespective of what the keeper does or doesn’t do. And you can bet your life they’ll be telling him.

[blackpoolred]

Mikel is symptomatic of our problems at the moment. Offers absolutely nothing going forward occasionally breaks up play well, but quite often gives possession away in dangerous areas and makes lots of clumsy challenges and gives away set-pieces in dangerous in areas.

On the whole, a liability for me.

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Oct 27, 2020 23:07:13 GMT bayernoatcake said:

Oct 27, 2020 23:01:49 GMT ethers26 said:

The whole back 4 bar McClean don't do their job.

It's late in the game, we're pushing for an equaliser, he's basically played in midfield on his own all game having played several games in a matter of days, and it should have easily been dealt with by yet another shit keeper it seems.

After that performance, you're going on and on about Mikel - the least of our problems tonight. Odd.

We didn’t have a midfield throughout and then only one of them makes an error you’d bollock a 12 year old for that leads to the goal.

The stage of the game doesn’t matter. He’s tracking his man, he inexplicably stops, that man is then left in acres of space and scores. It’s awful play from him irrespective of what the keeper does or doesn’t do. And you can bet your life they’ll be telling him.

The stage of the game does matter though. Why do you think there are so many late goals in football, have a guess?

[Squeekster]

I think he's growing into the role, wasn't too sure at first but he's getter better by the game for me!

[toad]

Mikel has really looked impressive in the last few games. Wins and protects the ball in key areas of the pitch, retains possession and starts attacks with key passes.

Unfortunately he will face similar criticism from Stoke fans as Steven N'Zonzi did because he isn't the type to contribute with many goals or assists.

[femark]

Oct 27, 2020 22:35:38 GMT bayernoatcake said:

Awful for the second from Mikel.

Why doesn’t he just drop in?

Agree that it was poor from Mikel, but I think the main issue was that we switched to 4 at the back when chasing the game and the players didn't respond accordingly. Souttar followed his man out of defence, which is ok in a 5 but leaves a big hole in a 4. He should have dropped off him and let the midfield pick him up. 

[lancashirelad]

Oct 27, 2020 22:35:38 GMT bayernoatcake said:

Awful for the second from Mikel.

Why doesn’t he just drop in?

Away from Obi - i wondered at the time, but on the clip and different angle it looks like Kasey is offside and steps back after the pass is made - though would not have made any difference points wise and none deserved on that performance.

[thehoof]

Oct 28, 2020 8:39:09 GMT femark said:

Oct 27, 2020 22:35:38 GMT bayernoatcake said:

Awful for the second from Mikel.

Why doesn’t he just drop in?

Agree that it was poor from Mikel, but I think the main issue was that we switched to 4 at the back when chasing the game and the players didn't respond accordingly. Souttar followed his man out of defence, which is ok in a 5 but leaves a big hole in a 4. He should have dropped off him and let the midfield pick him up. 

So you agree that it was poor from Mikel, but then say Souttar should have left Ayew for the midfield to pick up- this is the midfield of which Mikel is a part and who didn’t stay with his man, and TOB who has no idea of defensive responsibility at all?
Which of the midfield would have picked up Ayew then?
Also the whole point of 3 Centre Halves is that they cover when one does go out- no sign of that awareness from Chester or Fox?

[scfcbiancorossi]

Mikel reminds me of Salif Diao at the end of his career. The game largely passes him by, fairly ineffective, slow, clumsy but when we win, certain fans claim "it was all down to Mikel, he's so good you don't even notice him".

Pointless signing and not what we needed.

[werrington]

I thought last night and our midfield got totally overun left right and centre but Mikel seems dissolved of any criticism instead it’s Tymon and Oakley Booth getting it from all sides

Yeah he had a good game on Saturday but in reality I’m honestly at this moment in time not seeing what he offers any different than Jordan Cousins ....is it because he’s called Mikel 🤷‍♂️

[chiswickpotter]

Oct 28, 2020 9:15:06 GMT thehoof said:

Oct 28, 2020 8:39:09 GMT femark said:

Agree that it was poor from Mikel, but I think the main issue was that we switched to 4 at the back when chasing the game and the players didn't respond accordingly. Souttar followed his man out of defence, which is ok in a 5 but leaves a big hole in a 4. He should have dropped off him and let the midfield pick him up. 

So you agree that it was poor from Mikel, but then say Souttar should have left Ayew for the midfield to pick up- this is the midfield of which Mikel is a part and who didn’t stay with his man, and TOB who has no idea of defensive responsibility at all?
Which of the midfield would have picked up Ayew then?
Also the whole point of 3 Centre Halves is that they cover when one does go out- no sign of that awareness from Chester or Fox?

Fox had gone off by then. Souttar should not have followed Ayew out, he would then have been able to cover Chester and pick up Palmer. Its up to the midfield to adjust when a striker drops deep. In fairness, the switch to 4-4-2 completely destroyed any momentum we had built up to that point. If Fletcher was not going to replace Vokes, Powell should have come on

[crouchpotato1]

Oct 28, 2020 9:46:45 GMT werrington said:

I thought last night and our midfield got totally overun left right and centre but Mikel seems dissolved of any criticism instead it’s Tymon and Oakley Booth getting it from all sides

Yeah he had a good game on Saturday but in reality I’m honestly at this moment in time not seeing what he offers any different than Jordan Cousins ....is it because he’s called Mikel 🤷‍♂️

You been on the beer all night🤣Jordan Cousins or John Obi Mikel🤔let me have a think?The 2 little boys lost that were alongside him last night hid for me for long periods but each to their own

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Oct 28, 2020 9:46:45 GMT werrington said:

I thought last night and our midfield got totally overun left right and centre but Mikel seems dissolved of any criticism instead it’s Tymon and Oakley Booth getting it from all sides

Yeah he had a good game on Saturday but in reality I’m honestly at this moment in time not seeing what he offers any different than Jordan Cousins ....is it because he’s called Mikel 🤷‍♂️

Mikel was in the midfield on his own last night though.  Tymon and TOB are getting pelters because they didn't do enough on the ball or off it.

I have no beef with Jordan Cousins but there is no way he puts that ball across for Gregory at Preston for the winning goal (he doesn't even get into that position), he doesn't do the pre-assist for the goal at the weekend against Brentford (he doesn't spot that pass is even on, nevermind complete it), he doesn't have the general calming influence that Mikel has and doesn't take the sting out of games like Mikel has been doing for us at certain times.

Mikel hasn't been perfect in every game he has played but christ Wez, he's streets ahead of Cousins - and I like Cousins.

[bayernoatcake]

Oct 28, 2020 9:56:53 GMT @theonlooker said:

Oct 28, 2020 9:46:45 GMT werrington said:

I thought last night and our midfield got totally overun left right and centre but Mikel seems dissolved of any criticism instead it’s Tymon and Oakley Booth getting it from all sides

Yeah he had a good game on Saturday but in reality I’m honestly at this moment in time not seeing what he offers any different than Jordan Cousins ....is it because he’s called Mikel 🤷‍♂️

Mikel was in the midfield on his own last night though.  Tymon and TOB are getting pelters because they didn't do enough on the ball or off it.

I have no beef with Jordan Cousins but there is no way he puts that ball across for Gregory at Preston for the winning goal (he doesn't even get into that position), he doesn't do the pre-assist for the goal at the weekend against Brentford (he doesn't spot that pass is even on, nevermind complete it), he doesn't have the general calming influence that Mikel has and doesn't take the sting out of games like Mikel has been doing for us at certain times.

Mikel hasn't been perfect in every game he has played but christ Wez, he's streets ahead of Cousins - and I like Cousins.

Mikel did nowt last night bar cost us a goal though.

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Oct 24, 2020 23:38:11 GMT @clyde said:

I still haven’t seen what people rave about. Is he a shield for a defence... no. Does he offer anything in the final 3rd.... no... I’m sorry but I’m struggling I really am.

I still stand by this comment. Far too weak at times last night.

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Oct 28, 2020 9:59:27 GMT bayernoatcake said:

Oct 28, 2020 9:56:53 GMT @theonlooker said:

Mikel was in the midfield on his own last night though.  Tymon and TOB are getting pelters because they didn't do enough on the ball or off it.

I have no beef with Jordan Cousins but there is no way he puts that ball across for Gregory at Preston for the winning goal (he doesn't even get into that position), he doesn't do the pre-assist for the goal at the weekend against Brentford (he doesn't spot that pass is even on, nevermind complete it), he doesn't have the general calming influence that Mikel has and doesn't take the sting out of games like Mikel has been doing for us at certain times.

Mikel hasn't been perfect in every game he has played but christ Wez, he's streets ahead of Cousins - and I like Cousins.

Mikel did nowt last night bar cost us a goal though.

You’re blaming Mikel for not stepping back into a hole created by our centre half going awol and for a goal that the keeper shouldn’t have conceded in a million years. And one that looked offside as well it has to be said. He switched off momentarily and must take a share of the blame, but to pin it solely on him is just nonsense.....

[thehartshillbadger]

He was as cack as all the others last night apart from Vokes who was worse.
Again, it’s the worst formation imaginable for the players we have.

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Oct 28, 2020 10:06:01 GMT thehartshillbadger said:

He was as cack as all the others last night apart from Vokes who was worse.
Again, it’s the worst formation imaginable for the players we have.

But has seen us unbeaten away from home without conceding a solitary goal until last night?

[bayernoatcake]

Oct 28, 2020 10:05:38 GMT prestwichpotter said:

Oct 28, 2020 9:59:27 GMT bayernoatcake said:

Mikel did nowt last night bar cost us a goal though.

You’re blaming Mikel for not stepping back into a hole created by our centre half going awol and for a goal that the keeper shouldn’t have conceded in a million years. And one that looked offside as well it has to be said. He switched off momentarily and must take a share of the blame, but to pin it solely on him is just nonsense.....

It's his job to see those things and fill in. Mikel tracking his man stops the goal.

I haven't pinned it on him have I. Gunn clearly should stop the goal too once Mikel fucks up. They both need bollocking for it.

But Mikel did the exact same against Barnsley and it's not acceptable.

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Oct 28, 2020 10:07:47 GMT bayernoatcake said:

Oct 28, 2020 10:05:38 GMT prestwichpotter said:

You’re blaming Mikel for not stepping back into a hole created by our centre half going awol and for a goal that the keeper shouldn’t have conceded in a million years. And one that looked offside as well it has to be said. He switched off momentarily and must take a share of the blame, but to pin it solely on him is just nonsense.....

It's his job to see those things and fill in. Mikel tracking his man stops the goal.

I haven't pinned it on him have I. Gunn clearly should stop the goal too once Mikel fucks up. They both need bollocking for it.

But Mikel did the exact same against Barnsley and it's not acceptable.

And Souttar going walkabout?

[thehartshillbadger]

Oct 28, 2020 10:07:15 GMT prestwichpotter said:

Oct 28, 2020 10:06:01 GMT thehartshillbadger said:

He was as cack as all the others last night apart from Vokes who was worse.
Again, it’s the worst formation imaginable for the players we have.

But has seen us unbeaten away from home without conceding a solitary goal until last night?

Until coming up against a side with the capabilities of exploiting it. The midfield has been overrun in most games, massive open spaces when the other team have position.

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Oct 28, 2020 10:11:58 GMT thehartshillbadger said:

Oct 28, 2020 10:07:15 GMT prestwichpotter said:

But has seen us unbeaten away from home without conceding a solitary goal until last night?

Until coming up against a side with the capabilities of exploiting it. The midfield has been overrun in most games, massive open spaces when the other team have position.

You don’t think Wolves had the quality to exploit it then?

[thehartshillbadger]

Oct 28, 2020 10:13:22 GMT prestwichpotter said:

Oct 28, 2020 10:11:58 GMT thehartshillbadger said:

Until coming up against a side with the capabilities of exploiting it. The midfield has been overrun in most games, massive open spaces when the other team have position.

You don’t think Wolves had the quality to exploit it then?

Quality? Of course. Being arsed? That’s debatable.

[wearestoke80]

Oct 28, 2020 10:07:15 GMT prestwichpotter said:

Oct 28, 2020 10:06:01 GMT thehartshillbadger said:

He was as cack as all the others last night apart from Vokes who was worse.
Again, it’s the worst formation imaginable for the players we have.

But has seen us unbeaten away from home without conceding a solitary goal until last night?

Weve only played 3 other away games and one of them was against Luton and Preston had 10 men. Fucking shit.

[mickstupp]

The best of our “midfield” last night. Which isn’t saying much considering the other two were dog shit.

[christhepotter]

Oct 27, 2020 22:35:38 GMT bayernoatcake said:

Awful for the second from Mikel.

Why doesn’t he just drop in?

Where were the centre half’s wasn’t just Mikel

[bayernoatcake]

Oct 28, 2020 10:10:31 GMT prestwichpotter said:

Oct 28, 2020 10:07:47 GMT bayernoatcake said:

It's his job to see those things and fill in. Mikel tracking his man stops the goal.

I haven't pinned it on him have I. Gunn clearly should stop the goal too once Mikel fucks up. They both need bollocking for it.

But Mikel did the exact same against Barnsley and it's not acceptable.

And Souttar going walkabout?

It was poor. But there wasn't a midfielder there for him to pass the man on to and then Mikel should cover that space. It's his job.

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Oct 28, 2020 10:19:20 GMT wearestoke80 said:

Oct 28, 2020 10:07:15 GMT prestwichpotter said:

But has seen us unbeaten away from home without conceding a solitary goal until last night?

Weve only played 3 other away games and one of them was against Luton and Preston had 10 men. Fucking shit.

We also won at Wolves and Villa in the cup. You can’t just erase them from history.....