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Post by sheikhmomo on Oct 25, 2020 16:05:08 GMT
All this talk about parenting has got me thinking. How many kids has the current Prime Minister got? Anyone know? I'm sure he can afford his though. But hollow though isn't it when accusations of poor parenting come from a moral vacuum.
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Post by walstoke on Oct 25, 2020 16:07:44 GMT
Bang on the money. Healthy food is cheaper as well. its actually not sugary foods are cheaper To a point you're right, but if you know how, you can make healthy food very cheaply. I can make 12 portions of Bolognese ragu for less than a tenner. That includes mince, carrots, celery, onions and tomatoes. Sugary foods are the big problem though.
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Post by nicholasjalcock on Oct 25, 2020 16:13:08 GMT
I'm sure he can afford his though. But hollow though isn't it when accusations of poor parenting come from a moral vacuum. Can you please explain if Boris could afford all his kids how was it he disavowed one and refused to pay for the child for many years? Voidy has his facts wrong?
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Post by cobhamstokey on Oct 25, 2020 16:20:27 GMT
Nor at all I just happen to think that the right people should be rewarded. Namely those that work hard for a living and those that through no fault of there own are unable to work. I don’t believe that we should reward people that don’t want to work and can’t be bothered because they think it’s beneath them but are more than happy to bleed the country dry and take advantage of a system that is a wonderful one but one that’s meant for genuine cases. Interesting stuff. The lady on the right massive respect. Lady on the left is who your supporting from your comments. Why do people have 8 children when they have no form of supporting them other than benefits. It’s a decision they make and in my opinion a selfish one. When you have children in that number you should have an idea how your going to pay for them. There’s a huge difference between families that fall on hard times and those that have kids because they want to abuse the system. Clearly your fine with that? Thankfully the lady on the right has morals when it would be easy for her to choose the same route as the other lady. Poverty porn klaxon. No sensible response because he can’t construct a decent response klaxon
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Post by sheikhmomo on Oct 25, 2020 16:24:34 GMT
No sensible response because he can’t construct a decent response klaxon Try punching up rather than down for a minute. You may find it invigorating!
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Post by cobhamstokey on Oct 25, 2020 16:45:26 GMT
No sensible response because he can’t construct a decent response klaxon Try punching up rather than down for a minute. You may find it invigorating! When the seagulls follow the trawler, it's because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2020 17:07:46 GMT
its actually not sugary foods are cheaper To a point you're right, but if you know how, you can make healthy food very cheaply. I can make 12 portions of Bolognese ragu for less than a tenner. That includes mince, carrots, celery, onions and tomatoes. Sugary foods are the big problem though. I can buy 6 packets of Aldi Super Noodles for just over a pound. Which is fortunate because my last fiver is going on the electricity meter......
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Post by walstoke on Oct 25, 2020 17:20:43 GMT
To a point you're right, but if you know how, you can make healthy food very cheaply. I can make 12 portions of Bolognese ragu for less than a tenner. That includes mince, carrots, celery, onions and tomatoes. Sugary foods are the big problem though. I can buy 6 packets of Aldi Super Noodles for just over a pound. Which is fortunate because my last fiver is going on the electricity meter...... My kids like super noodles as well 👍
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Post by butlerstbob on Oct 25, 2020 17:22:09 GMT
its actually not sugary foods are cheaper To a point you're right, but if you know how, you can make healthy food very cheaply. I can make 12 portions of Bolognese ragu for less than a tenner. That includes mince, carrots, celery, onions and tomatoes. Sugary foods are the big problem though. Your right fella, it's very easy to make healthy food cheaply but most folk can't be arsed, and don't have time or should I say won't make time?! Sugary Convinience food is also far too cheap too!
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Post by Orbs on Oct 25, 2020 17:24:23 GMT
I can buy 6 packets of Aldi Super Noodles for just over a pound. Which is fortunate because my last fiver is going on the electricity meter...... My kids like super noodles as well 👍 Why is everything/people 'super' these days? - 'super excited' - 'super pleased' - 'super happy' now even the 'noodles' IDSIRD
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Post by walstoke on Oct 25, 2020 17:30:50 GMT
To a point you're right, but if you know how, you can make healthy food very cheaply. I can make 12 portions of Bolognese ragu for less than a tenner. That includes mince, carrots, celery, onions and tomatoes. Sugary foods are the big problem though. Your right fella, it's very easy to make healthy food cheaply but most folk can't be arsed, and don't have time or should I say won't make time?! Sugary Convinience food is also far too cheap too! You're right about people being arsed, within walking distance of me there's all the fast food monsters, people would rather "drive" there than cook a meal. These are people i know.
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Post by essexstokey on Oct 25, 2020 23:04:11 GMT
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-54677669For those of you who don't understand this argument for children getting fed in school holidays read this first hand account On another point in Jan if there is no trade agreement food prices are expected to go up by 30% says a group of brexiteers in today's press
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Post by essexstokey on Oct 25, 2020 23:07:02 GMT
Your right fella, it's very easy to make healthy food cheaply but most folk can't be arsed, and don't have time or should I say won't make time?! Sugary Convinience food is also far too cheap too! You're right about people being arsed, within walking distance of me there's all the fast food monsters, people would rather "drive" there than cook a meal. These are people i know. But what we are talking about here is familys who cant afford fast food or probably not even a car
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Post by walstoke on Oct 26, 2020 9:04:48 GMT
You're right about people being arsed, within walking distance of me there's all the fast food monsters, people would rather "drive" there than cook a meal. These are people i know. But what we are talking about here is familys who cant afford fast food or probably not even a car The people i know can't afford them, but it doesn't stop them. I live within my means others don't. I,m talking about people who've never worked, yet own every expensive gadget going. My kids have to save, i give each £20 per month out child benefit and i save it for them.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Oct 26, 2020 9:50:34 GMT
But what we are talking about here is familys who cant afford fast food or probably not even a car The people i know can't afford them, but it doesn't stop them. I live within my means others don't. I,m talking about people who've never worked, yet own every expensive gadget going. My kids have to save, i give each £20 per month out child benefit and i save it for them. Walstoke ive read some of your posts and you’re an absolute credit to yourself and kids. Clearly a damn good parent who puts your kids first just as it should be. Never question yourself because unlike some that abuse the system you can walk around with your head held high knowing you’ve done the right thing. This attitude will be passed onto your kids who I’m sure will turn out very grounded and not entitled as so many are now adays. Bravo.
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Post by walstoke on Oct 26, 2020 9:59:35 GMT
The people i know can't afford them, but it doesn't stop them. I live within my means others don't. I,m talking about people who've never worked, yet own every expensive gadget going. My kids have to save, i give each £20 per month out child benefit and i save it for them. Walstoke ive read some of your posts and you’re an absolute credit to yourself and kids. Clearly a damn good parent who puts your kids first just as it should be. Never question yourself because unlike some that abuse the system you can walk around with your head held high knowing you’ve done the right thing. This attitude will be passed onto your kids who I’m sure will turn out very grounded and not entitled as so many are now adays. Bravo. Thank you for saying so ☺
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Post by Cast no shadow on Oct 26, 2020 11:14:47 GMT
Does anybody know how much child benefit is per week?
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Post by walstoke on Oct 26, 2020 11:22:59 GMT
Does anybody know how much child benefit is per week? it's about 35 if you have 2 kids, not sure what it is for 1.
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Post by TrentValePotter96 on Oct 26, 2020 12:41:14 GMT
A few thoughts
We are in the middle of a pandemic. People will lose their jobs on a massive scale.
Mobile phones are essential these days. To apply for universal credit, search for jobs, education apps, pay for school dinners and trips, covid 'world beating' apps, shopping if self isolating etc.
Flat screen tvs can be brought second hand for £20. Try and buy one with a bulge at the back easily. You can't.
Also are people allowed to have any joy in their lives? What does a child do without a tv and phone? Especially in a world where many things outside are shut. It's irrelevant that somebody's nan had none of these things in 1927.
Proper meals cost money. Cost more money than listing items from aldi. I would argue families are in desperate trouble if they can just, just about feed their kids non nutrious meals.
Even if we accepted the premise that some parents are bad why should the kids suffer?
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Post by walstoke on Oct 26, 2020 14:05:23 GMT
A few thoughts We are in the middle of a pandemic. People will lose their jobs on a massive scale. Mobile phones are essential these days. To apply for universal credit, search for jobs, education apps, pay for school dinners and trips, covid 'world beating' apps, shopping if self isolating etc. Flat screen tvs can be brought second hand for £20. Try and buy one with a bulge at the back easily. You can't. Also are people allowed to have any joy in their lives? What does a child do without a tv and phone? Especially in a world where many things outside are shut. It's irrelevant that somebody's nan had none of these things in 1927. Proper meals cost money. Cost more money than listing items from aldi. I would argue families are in desperate trouble if they can just, just about feed their kids non nutrious meals. Even if we accepted the premise that some parents are bad why should the kids suffer? You are bang on mate, kids shouldn't suffer coz of selfish parents. I just can't see easy answers. If you're on UC and you've got kids, you should be able to survive. On the other hand, if you're single with no kids on UC, you really will struggle. I'm going to tell you what I get so you know. My UC £1623 per calender month, I also get £140 child benefit every 4 weeks,so 13 payments per year, that's with 2 kids.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Oct 26, 2020 15:31:56 GMT
A few thoughts We are in the middle of a pandemic. People will lose their jobs on a massive scale. Mobile phones are essential these days. To apply for universal credit, search for jobs, education apps, pay for school dinners and trips, covid 'world beating' apps, shopping if self isolating etc. Flat screen tvs can be brought second hand for £20. Try and buy one with a bulge at the back easily. You can't. Also are people allowed to have any joy in their lives? What does a child do without a tv and phone? Especially in a world where many things outside are shut. It's irrelevant that somebody's nan had none of these things in 1927. Proper meals cost money. Cost more money than listing items from aldi. I would argue families are in desperate trouble if they can just, just about feed their kids non nutrious meals. Even if we accepted the premise that some parents are bad why should the kids suffer? You are bang on mate, kids shouldn't suffer coz of selfish parents. I just can't see easy answers. If you're on UC and you've got kids, you should be able to survive. On the other hand, if you're single with no kids on UC, you really will struggle. I'm going to tell you what I get so you know. My UC £1623 per calender month, I also get £140 child benefit every 4 weeks,so 13 payments per year, that's with 2 kids. Do you have to pay rent and council tax and other out-goings out of that?
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Post by walstoke on Oct 26, 2020 15:47:11 GMT
You are bang on mate, kids shouldn't suffer coz of selfish parents. I just can't see easy answers. If you're on UC and you've got kids, you should be able to survive. On the other hand, if you're single with no kids on UC, you really will struggle. I'm going to tell you what I get so you know. My UC £1623 per calender month, I also get £140 child benefit every 4 weeks,so 13 payments per year, that's with 2 kids. Do you have to pay rent and council tax and other out-goings out of that? My rent is £405 per calender month, I pay about £100 gas, electric and water per month, I'll have to check, but I think I pay about £30 per month council tax. On top of that, I pay £24 broadband, £20 gym and £15 phone. I think that's about it.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Oct 26, 2020 16:16:12 GMT
Do you have to pay rent and council tax and other out-goings out of that? My rent is £405 per calender month, I pay about £100 gas, electric and water per month, I'll have to check, but I think I pay about £30 per month council tax. On top of that, I pay £24 broadband, £20 gym and £15 phone. I think that's about it. I appreciate you taking the time to post that info and wish you and yours all the very best.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Oct 26, 2020 16:38:45 GMT
Walstoke ive read some of your posts and you’re an absolute credit to yourself and kids. Clearly a damn good parent who puts your kids first just as it should be. Never question yourself because unlike some that abuse the system you can walk around with your head held high knowing you’ve done the right thing. This attitude will be passed onto your kids who I’m sure will turn out very grounded and not entitled as so many are now adays. Bravo. Thank you for saying so ☺ You’re welcome sometimes people need to be told
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Post by salopstick on Oct 26, 2020 16:40:15 GMT
Do you have to pay rent and council tax and other out-goings out of that? My rent is £405 per calender month, I pay about £100 gas, electric and water per month, I'll have to check, but I think I pay about £30 per month council tax. On top of that, I pay £24 broadband, £20 gym and £15 phone. I think that's about it. My mum and dad brought up me and my 6 siblings on the dole so I know how it’s like to live with that so fair play. Please don’t think I’m passing judgement on you as I’m not With the greatest of respect and all credit for you doing the right thing that’s over a £20k take home pay after tax which there will be working people on similar take home incomes who get no help with school meals, uniforms, housing benefit, council tax benefit etc I dont know what the answer is but as you say they send you free meal vouchers you did not need The govt say they have made changes to UC and council funding to accommodate then you have the headlines. We have now. There is no easy answer. Kids shouldn’t starve and I appreciate all family situations are different but If there more like yours the situation would be a lot better.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2020 16:44:03 GMT
Bring back the work house. Then you'll be getting real bang for your buck. Nor at all I just happen to think that the right people should be rewarded. Namely those that work hard for a living and those that through no fault of there own are unable to work. I don’t believe that we should reward people that don’t want to work and can’t be bothered because they think it’s beneath them but are more than happy to bleed the country dry and take advantage of a system that is a wonderful one but one that’s meant for genuine cases. Interesting stuff. The lady on the right massive respect. Lady on the left is who your supporting from your comments. Why do people have 8 children when they have no form of supporting them other than benefits. It’s a decision they make and in my opinion a selfish one. When you have children in that number you should have an idea how your going to pay for them. There’s a huge difference between families that fall on hard times and those that have kids because they want to abuse the system. Clearly your fine with that? Thankfully the lady on the right has morals when it would be easy for her to choose the same route as the other lady. You seem to want to equate those on benefits with those that don’t work. Since 2010 the % of kids living in relative poverty in working families has risen year on year. It’s as big a problem as families whose parent(s) don’t work. Working hard and earning more don’t go hand in hand either....
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Post by cobhamstokey on Oct 26, 2020 17:35:12 GMT
Nor at all I just happen to think that the right people should be rewarded. Namely those that work hard for a living and those that through no fault of there own are unable to work. I don’t believe that we should reward people that don’t want to work and can’t be bothered because they think it’s beneath them but are more than happy to bleed the country dry and take advantage of a system that is a wonderful one but one that’s meant for genuine cases. Interesting stuff. The lady on the right massive respect. Lady on the left is who your supporting from your comments. Why do people have 8 children when they have no form of supporting them other than benefits. It’s a decision they make and in my opinion a selfish one. When you have children in that number you should have an idea how your going to pay for them. There’s a huge difference between families that fall on hard times and those that have kids because they want to abuse the system. Clearly your fine with that? Thankfully the lady on the right has morals when it would be easy for her to choose the same route as the other lady. You seem to want to equate those on benefits with those that don’t work. Since 2010 the % of kids living in relative poverty in working families has risen year on year. It’s as big a problem as families whose parent(s) don’t work. Working hard and earning more don’t go hand in hand either.... Not at all. I have no issue other than those that play the system and take advantage of it. Anyone who works regardless of how much they earn has my respect and those that work when it would be easier for them not too even more so.
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Post by walstoke on Oct 26, 2020 17:57:25 GMT
My rent is £405 per calender month, I pay about £100 gas, electric and water per month, I'll have to check, but I think I pay about £30 per month council tax. On top of that, I pay £24 broadband, £20 gym and £15 phone. I think that's about it. I appreciate you taking the time to post that info and wish you and yours all the very best. no probs mate, it just gives you an idea, as you know there are many other costs, the ones I highlighted are the paid no matter what. I missed Netflix, about a tenner.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Oct 26, 2020 17:59:28 GMT
I appreciate you taking the time to post that info and wish you and yours all the very best. no probs mate, it just gives you an idea, as you know there are many other costs, the ones I highlighted are the paid no matter what. I missed Netflix, about a tenner. You forgot the fags, booze, monkey dust and heroin🤣
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Post by walstoke on Oct 26, 2020 18:03:00 GMT
My rent is £405 per calender month, I pay about £100 gas, electric and water per month, I'll have to check, but I think I pay about £30 per month council tax. On top of that, I pay £24 broadband, £20 gym and £15 phone. I think that's about it. My mum and dad brought up me and my 6 siblings on the dole so I know how it’s like to live with that so fair play. Please don’t think I’m passing judgement on you as I’m not With the greatest of respect and all credit for you doing the right thing that’s over a £20k take home pay after tax which there will be working people on similar take home incomes who get no help with school meals, uniforms, housing benefit, council tax benefit etc I dont know what the answer is but as you say they send you free meal vouchers you did not need The govt say they have made changes to UC and council funding to accommodate then you have the headlines. We have now. There is no easy answer. Kids shouldn’t starve and I appreciate all family situations are different but If there more like yours the situation would be a lot better. no offence taken, I agree, I've told em I don't need fsm, they give it me anyway. I know people working who need fsm much more, beurocracy is to blame. Our whole system needs simplifying and making fairer.
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