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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Oct 24, 2020 21:08:47 GMT
The FSM vouchers are spent in shops and only on food. That’s literally how they work now. Seems an eminently sensible way of ensuring the money is directed towards exactly what it should be.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Oct 24, 2020 21:09:44 GMT
The FSM vouchers are spent in shops and only on food. That’s literally how they work now. Good to hear. I’m fully in support of those genuinly in need getting support it’s just sometimes a small minority need saving from themselves if they Struggle with management of money.
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Post by vokeswagen on Oct 24, 2020 21:30:22 GMT
Mate he’s not making a point, it’s franklin. He’s just talking gibberish as per What’s your problem? Is it because nobody engages with you that you feel you have to but in on other conversations? Who asked you, audlump?
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Post by vokeswagen on Oct 24, 2020 21:32:18 GMT
What’s your problem? Is it because nobody engages with you that you feel you have to but in on other conversations? Must be infuriating when the only people who do engage with you all live in your own mind There their, soft lad
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Oct 24, 2020 21:32:23 GMT
What’s your problem? Is it because nobody engages with you that you feel you have to but in on other conversations? Who asked you, audlump? 🤣
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Post by crapslinger on Oct 24, 2020 22:11:55 GMT
The FSM vouchers are spent in shops and only on food. That’s literally how they work now. As they should is there something wrong with that concept ?
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Post by crapslinger on Oct 24, 2020 22:17:20 GMT
Who asked you, audlump? 🤣 Cheap Vodka can do strange things to already crowded minds
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Post by Orbs on Oct 24, 2020 22:24:28 GMT
The FSM vouchers are spent in shops and only on food. That’s literally how they work now. As they should is there something wrong with that concept ? You obviously haven’t read the previous posts.
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Post by vokeswagen on Oct 24, 2020 22:42:38 GMT
Cheap Vodka can do strange things to already crowded minds I’m delighted to be misunderstood by the thickest racist on here
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Post by hcstokie on Oct 25, 2020 6:33:20 GMT
Seems like the pressure is growing to reverse the decision. Tory MPs now questioning the decision, 2,000 GPs have submitted a letter to government and labour saying they will force another vote before Christmas.
I feel another U-turn coming from Boris.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Oct 25, 2020 7:09:48 GMT
Seems like the pressure is growing to reverse the decision. Tory MPs now questioning the decision, 2,000 GPs have submitted a letter to government and labour saying they will force another vote before Christmas. I feel another U-turn coming from Boris. Yes, and it'll be pressure from ordinary folk in places like Stoke and other poorer areas of the north who turned Tory to get Brexit over and done with who are now seeing the fuller impact of that decision. No doubt those new Tory MPs have been feeding back to the Bluffer (and more importantly, Cummings) about the heat they are getting from the government's decision.
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Post by essexstokey on Oct 25, 2020 8:10:37 GMT
Cheap Vodka can do strange things to already crowded minds And you should know how many bottles do you drink now per day 2 or 3😁
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Post by crapslinger on Oct 25, 2020 8:38:45 GMT
Cheap Vodka can do strange things to already crowded minds And you should know how many bottles do you drink now per day 2 or 3😁 Silly Joey I don't touch Russian tramp juice unlike this fella who "used" to post on here. from the Sentinel
Simon Cliff, aged 55, has finally been sentenced for offence he committed in 2017
An alcoholic who admitted drinking half a bottle of vodka before driving fled to Thailand rather than ‘face the music’ in court.
Simon Cliff failed to provide a specimen of breath twice in a month after being pulled over back in 2017.
And following the second arrest he made homophobic comments to a police officer at the Northern Area Custody Facility in Etruria.
But rather than learn his fate in court, the defendant left the country and has only recently returned to the UK to spend time with his mum who has dementia.
Now 55-year-old Cliff has finally been sentenced to a 12-month community order at North Staffordshire Justice Centre.
Prosecutor Emma Pickard said police were called to Newcastle on September 20, 2017 after they received reports the defendant had been drink-driving.
Miss Pickard said: “He provided a positive roadside test and was taken to custody but refused to provide a sample.”
About a month later, on October 18, 2017, the police became aware of the defendant’s vehicle as it overtook two cars.
Miss Pickard said: “Police activated their blue lights. The defendant continued to drive erratically and overtook another two vehicles. Eventually he came to a stop. He confirmed he had consumed half a bottle of vodka and that he was an alcoholic.
“He was taken to custody but refused to give a specimen of breath.”
The defendant became abusive to a police officer in the custody suite.
Miss Pickard said: “The defendant began to call the officer ‘gay’ and ‘queer’ and made other homophobic comments.
“A solicitor not connected to the defendant asked him to stop.”
The victim found the abuse extremely upsetting and said he felt violated.
The defendant failed to attend court to learn his fate and returned to Thailand where he was living with his family.
Cliff, of Knowl Wall, Beech, pleaded guilty to two charges of failing to provide a specimen for analysis; indecent behaviour at a police station, and failing to surrender to bail.
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Post by walstoke on Oct 25, 2020 8:45:04 GMT
The FSM vouchers are spent in shops and only on food. That’s literally how they work now. Good to hear. I’m fully in support of those genuinly in need getting support it’s just sometimes a small minority need saving from themselves if they Struggle with management of money. Money management is an issue. I'm a single father with two kids, I can't work at the moment, but we never go short. U.C is fine if you budget properly. I see others though, who as soon as they get paid, they go and buy big ticket items like tv's and gaming stuff. They then have deficit come the end of the month. It's also untrue that you can only buy food with fsm vouchers, just depends which vouchers you choose. Asda, food only, but sainsburys you can even buy booze !
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Post by Orbs on Oct 25, 2020 10:13:23 GMT
Good to hear. I’m fully in support of those genuinly in need getting support it’s just sometimes a small minority need saving from themselves if they Struggle with management of money. Money management is an issue. I'm a single father with two kids, I can't work at the moment, but we never go short. U.C is fine if you budget properly. I see others though, who as soon as they get paid, they go and buy big ticket items like tv's and gaming stuff. They then have deficit come the end of the month. It's also untrue that you can only buy food with fsm vouchers, just depends which vouchers you choose. Asda, food only, but sainsburys you can even buy booze ! www.edenred.co.uk/reward-recipients/Free-School-Meal-Vouchers/That’s interesting as it says here that they are only to be exchanged for food and groceries. Maybe an issue with the supermarket?
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Post by walstoke on Oct 25, 2020 10:20:17 GMT
Money management is an issue. I'm a single father with two kids, I can't work at the moment, but we never go short. U.C is fine if you budget properly. I see others though, who as soon as they get paid, they go and buy big ticket items like tv's and gaming stuff. They then have deficit come the end of the month. It's also untrue that you can only buy food with fsm vouchers, just depends which vouchers you choose. Asda, food only, but sainsburys you can even buy booze ! www.edenred.co.uk/reward-recipients/Free-School-Meal-Vouchers/That’s interesting as it says here that they are only to be exchanged for food and groceries. Maybe an issue with the supermarket? All the supermarkets are different, you can even get M and S vouchers. I've still got £90 asda vouchers, £60 sainsbury's and £90 Iceland. I never needed them, they just kept sending them. By the way, I haven't bought booze with them 😁
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2020 10:27:30 GMT
I note the 4 Tory MPs for Stoke & Newcastle voted against! Bell, Brereton, Gideon and Gullis hang your heads in shame! And to think Gullis was a school teacher too! Maybe as a school teacher she has a better understanding of the subject then thousands of left wing opportunists You are as thick as mince
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2020 10:30:40 GMT
What a brilliantly witty repost, however if you vote against giving free school meals to children who are going hungry then maybe you should consider this whilst eating your heavily subsidized pressed Duck. Irrelevant post but it does keep the lefties frothing bravo. I actually agree with free school meals but stick to grown up posts rather than a menu that as far as I'm aware anyone who works at the HoC can eat at not just MP's but low paid staff, interns. From the HoC website: It is also important to make clear that the customers who use the on-site catering venues include approximately 14,500 pass-holders (such as House staff, civil servants, contractors, Peers, members of the Press Gallery, MPs’ and Peers’ staff, etc.) as well as some of the 650 elected Members of Parliament. In addition, the House caters to a very large number of non-pass holding visitors to Parliament. But just for clarity ALL members get £25 allowance per night for dinner. Not ALL members voted against feeding hungry kids, you mug. I’m not interested party politics but it’s clear as day one side has a conscious on this one.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2020 10:32:18 GMT
Good to hear. I’m fully in support of those genuinly in need getting support it’s just sometimes a small minority need saving from themselves if they Struggle with management of money. Money management is an issue. I'm a single father with two kids, I can't work at the moment, but we never go short. U.C is fine if you budget properly. I see others though, who as soon as they get paid, they go and buy big ticket items like tv's and gaming stuff. They then have deficit come the end of the month. It's also untrue that you can only buy food with fsm vouchers, just depends which vouchers you choose. Asda, food only, but sainsburys you can even buy booze ! UC isn't fine if it takes 8 weeks to come through though which is often how the downward spiral starts....
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Post by Timmypotter on Oct 25, 2020 10:34:52 GMT
Good to hear. I’m fully in support of those genuinly in need getting support it’s just sometimes a small minority need saving from themselves if they Struggle with management of money. Money management is an issue. I'm a single father with two kids, I can't work at the moment, but we never go short. U.C is fine if you budget properly. I see others though, who as soon as they get paid, they go and buy big ticket items like tv's and gaming stuff. They then have deficit come the end of the month. It's also untrue that you can only buy food with fsm vouchers, just depends which vouchers you choose. Asda, food only, but sainsburys you can even buy booze ! I also think a lot of the issue is just basic food education. Initiatives like this - www.cookandeatwell.co.uk/free-cooking-courses-stoke-on-trent - need to be better funded and publicised. There used to be a similar scheme in Congleton that a friend of my Mrs used to run. My mrs actually went to one of the 6 week courses as it was in danger of having its funding pulled as no one was going. It was attended by a load of other middle class mums who already knew how to put a Shepherds pie together and knew that veg can be picked up for peanuts from Aldi. It looks as though it didn't reach the people it was intended to help and I don't think it runs any more in Cheshire East (could be wrong about that but I couldn't find it advertised on t'internet anymore). We have friends who look at a pack of mince with confusion and think food has to come in a cardboard box or a plastic container and should only require heating before you eat it. One is a single mum who isn't working at the moment. She never struggles to feed her little boy but he only eats processed food as his mum won't/can't do basic food prep. Labour's position on this seems to feed into the cycle of generation after generation who can't properly look after themselves. Unless they've got the money to buy ready meals and other processed food then they'll starve. I'm trying my best (and probably failing) to not have this sound like victim blaming. I really don't mean it to sound like that. It just seems to me that this is a much deeper problem than it's being presented as, and we should talk about tackling its root cause instead of its symptoms.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2020 10:36:19 GMT
I know this board is plagued with some awful people but shame on you all for having the nerve to defend this.
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Post by franklin on Oct 25, 2020 10:37:10 GMT
Irrelevant post but it does keep the lefties frothing bravo. I actually agree with free school meals but stick to grown up posts rather than a menu that as far as I'm aware anyone who works at the HoC can eat at not just MP's but low paid staff, interns. From the HoC website: It is also important to make clear that the customers who use the on-site catering venues include approximately 14,500 pass-holders (such as House staff, civil servants, contractors, Peers, members of the Press Gallery, MPs’ and Peers’ staff, etc.) as well as some of the 650 elected Members of Parliament. In addition, the House caters to a very large number of non-pass holding visitors to Parliament. But just for clarity ALL members get £25 allowance per night for dinner. Not ALL members voted against feeding hungry kids, you mug. I’m not interested party politics but it’s clear as day one side has a conscious on this one. And yet they all eat there along with numerous other employees like unpaid interns and even me if I booked a table after covid. A menu available to many others not just MP's is not a very good argument.
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Post by walstoke on Oct 25, 2020 10:42:11 GMT
Money management is an issue. I'm a single father with two kids, I can't work at the moment, but we never go short. U.C is fine if you budget properly. I see others though, who as soon as they get paid, they go and buy big ticket items like tv's and gaming stuff. They then have deficit come the end of the month. It's also untrue that you can only buy food with fsm vouchers, just depends which vouchers you choose. Asda, food only, but sainsburys you can even buy booze ! UC isn't fine if it takes 8 weeks to come through though which is often how the downward spiral starts.... I had my first payment after 4 weeks, think it depends on the area you live. The gripe I have with U.C, badly worded questions on the application. There are several, and wrongly filled in forms cause delays. I went to the C.A.B, and would advise anyone claiming to do the same.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2020 10:45:48 GMT
Not ALL members voted against feeding hungry kids, you mug. I’m not interested party politics but it’s clear as day one side has a conscious on this one. And yet they all eat there along with numerous other employees like unpaid interns and even me if I booked a table after covid. A menu available to many others not just MP's is not a very good argument. You are either that stupid or so blinkered in hating the Labour Party that you’re completely missing the point. I will lay it out for you. People are suggesting that the allowance should be scrapped for all members. The point is though, it doesn’t seem of any decent moral inclination to vote against a free meal for poor kids when you get £25 a day in a posh restaurant. No Labour MPs, even if they don’t make the rules on allowances, voted against this. All but five Tories did. You’re trying to defend the indefensible just because you don’t want to lose face on the Oatcake, which is quite pathetic really. How old are you? Like nearly 60? It’s not about subsidised canteens either, it’s about the allowance. I’m sure you’ve seen the figures on what that costs the tax payer a year but let me know if you need any help with them.
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Post by walstoke on Oct 25, 2020 10:47:46 GMT
Money management is an issue. I'm a single father with two kids, I can't work at the moment, but we never go short. U.C is fine if you budget properly. I see others though, who as soon as they get paid, they go and buy big ticket items like tv's and gaming stuff. They then have deficit come the end of the month. It's also untrue that you can only buy food with fsm vouchers, just depends which vouchers you choose. Asda, food only, but sainsburys you can even buy booze ! I also think a lot of the issue is just basic food education. Initiatives like this - www.cookandeatwell.co.uk/free-cooking-courses-stoke-on-trent - need to be better funded and publicised. There used to be a similar scheme in Congleton that a friend of my Mrs used to run. My mrs actually went to one of the 6 week courses as it was in danger of having its funding pulled as no one was going. It was attended by a load of other middle class mums who already knew how to put a Shepherds pie together and knew that veg can be picked up for peanuts from Aldi. It looks as though it didn't reach the people it was intended to help and I don't think it runs any more in Cheshire East (could be wrong about that but I couldn't find it advertised on t'internet anymore). We have friends who look at a pack of mince with confusion and think food has to come in a cardboard box or a plastic container and should only require heating before you eat it. One is a single mum who isn't working at the moment. She never struggles to feed her little boy but he only eats processed food as his mum won't/can't do basic food prep. Labour's position on this seems to feed into the cycle of generation after generation who can't properly look after themselves. Unless they've got the money to buy ready meals and other processed food then they'll starve. I'm trying my best (and probably failing) to not have this sound like victim blaming. I really don't mean it to sound like that. It just seems to me that this is a much deeper problem than it's being presented as, and we should talk about tackling its root cause instead of its symptoms. I'm from Congleton 👍 You are correct, basic food knoledge is poor in this country. I have the advantage of being a trained chef and my kids aren't fussy.
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Post by franklin on Oct 25, 2020 10:48:57 GMT
And yet they all eat there along with numerous other employees like unpaid interns and even me if I booked a table after covid. A menu available to many others not just MP's is not a very good argument. You are either that stupid or so blinkered in hating the Labour Party that you’re completely missing the point. I will lay it out for you. People are suggesting that the allowance should be scrapped for all members. The point is though, it doesn’t seem of any decent moral inclination to vote against a free meal for poor kids when you get £25 a day in a posh restaurant. No Labour MPs, even if they don’t make the rules on allowances, voted against this. All but five Tories did. You’re trying to defend the indefensible just because you don’t want to lose face on the Oatcake, which is quite pathetic really. How old are you? Like nearly 60? It’s not about subsidised canteens either, it’s about the allowance. I’m sure you’ve seen the figures on what that costs the tax payer a year but let me know if you need any help with them. Have you read anything I've said on the subject I think you've missed the point and as for awful people and mugs take a look in the mirror but add condescending and abusive to your list of faults.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2020 10:49:05 GMT
UC isn't fine if it takes 8 weeks to come through though which is often how the downward spiral starts.... I had my first payment after 4 weeks, think it depends on the area you live. The gripe I have with U.C, badly worded questions on the application. There are several, and wrongly filled in forms cause delays. I went to the C.A.B, and would advise anyone claiming to do the same. So do you accept that if that 4 weeks had become 8 or even 10 weeks that in fact you may have gone short? Because again that is often the issue here.......
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Post by Timmypotter on Oct 25, 2020 10:52:53 GMT
I know this board is plagued with some awful people but shame on you all for having the nerve to defend this. That is a lot of the problem though. Making any point other than 'we should definitely give kids free school meals over holidays' gets portrayed as the views of 'evil tory scum'. I've never voted Tory and doubt I ever will. But I have reservations about this campaign - that doesn't mean I think kids ought to go hungry because they've got shit parents. One of the politics programs this morning had a labour and tory MP on (didn't catch their names, but they were two ladies representing seats in the north west). The labour MP said that the vote in the week displays how tories are 'devoid of humanity'. That's just not helpful. The Tory MP was making the point that we have a welfare system and benefits are available that should mean no child goes hungry. That point (benefits being sufficient) is up for debate I guess, although we've only seen one post on here from someone with experience of being on benefits who says that UC is sufficient to feed his two kids. Whatever the rights and wrongs of this debate, saying that anyone should be ashamed of themselves or slandering them is unhelpful.
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Post by walstoke on Oct 25, 2020 10:59:56 GMT
I had my first payment after 4 weeks, think it depends on the area you live. The gripe I have with U.C, badly worded questions on the application. There are several, and wrongly filled in forms cause delays. I went to the C.A.B, and would advise anyone claiming to do the same. So do you accept that if that 4 weeks had become 8 or even 10 weeks that in fact you may have gone short? Because again that is often the issue here....... I certainly would have struggled I had budgeted for 6 weeks and i already was a month in front with rent. The FSM vouchers should continue, but the money should go to those that need it, I don't and told them so, but they sent em anyway.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Oct 25, 2020 11:01:40 GMT
Hard right, social engineering control, at it's finest. Perhaps we should start making rules about how some of the cunts who come up with this kind of shit make their money?
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