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Post by walrus on Oct 21, 2020 21:49:21 GMT
According to MON, the linesman was shouting "red card, red card" straight away , leaving the ref with no choice He sounds absolutely furious in the interview. I hate linesmen like this. If he’s that bothered, he should become a ref. It doesn’t happen in other walks of life. Imagine someone who doesn’t have the bollocks to be a traffic warden pounding the streets shouting “parking fine, parking fine” just to get people into trouble. Football League linesmen are invariably also non-league referees.
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Post by spiderpuss on Oct 21, 2020 21:59:47 GMT
Even Quest has no footage of it. If we do appeal it, what footage will the panel use?
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Post by FullerMagic on Oct 21, 2020 22:02:21 GMT
Even Quest has no footage of it. If we do appeal it, what footage will the panel use? Think MON said our analysts had filmed it
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Post by nottsover60 on Oct 21, 2020 22:05:21 GMT
Even Quest has no footage of it. If we do appeal it, what footage will the panel use? Apparently we have our own footage of it which the analyst guys take. I think that might be what they were showing the referee at the end who presumably told them he hadn''t seen it and sent him off on the say so of the linesman.
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Post by spiderpuss on Oct 21, 2020 22:15:17 GMT
Even Quest has no footage of it. If we do appeal it, what footage will the panel use? Apparently we have our own footage of it which the analyst guys take. I think that might be what they were showing the referee at the end who presumably told them he hadn''t seen it and sent him off on the say so of the linesman. Hope so, but terrible decision if there's been no unlawful contact at all.
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Post by tomcmod on Oct 21, 2020 22:21:58 GMT
Refs chucked the lino under the bus, said he didn't see it and the lino saw it and told him.
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Post by spitthedog on Oct 22, 2020 0:15:18 GMT
Refs chucked the lino under the bus, said he didn't see it and the lino saw it and told him. what were those linesmen on tonight? they were all over the place with offsides, throw ins and possibly/probably the sending off! Dreadful
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Post by ricksastokie on Oct 22, 2020 0:36:18 GMT
Corrupt by definition has to have an element of doing something for personal gain. I think we should be careful levelling allegations of corruption at people left, right and centre as it detracts from the seriousness of the crime of corruption. Isn't personal motive a personal gain? Forgive me here, we aren't necessarily talking monetary, it could be any number of motives or elements influencing ones decision. The feeling of power is ones personal gain, in addition to external interests which are often very very clear. It's nothing new to the game, the game itself is corrupt so we really should not be at all surprised. If anyone is corrupt surely it's the player who went down. (Allegedly!)
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Post by tomcmod on Oct 22, 2020 5:21:39 GMT
Refs chucked the lino under the bus, said he didn't see it and the lino saw it and told him. what were those linesmen on tonight? they were all over the place with offsides, throw ins and possibly/probably the sending off! Dreadful They were absolutely farcical. If there had been VAR on that game then it would have just shown them to be inept.
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Post by beerspiller on Oct 22, 2020 6:45:59 GMT
That's complete bollox TBH, Refs are professionals. If this Ref saw something that the rest of us didn't fair enough but if he's going off the reaction of the Barnsley players then he's corrupt. We don't need VAR to tell us that. Take into account also that no one camera angle has yet shown the incident where do you think they'd get the VAR evidence from? Did Collins do something stupid which meant he deserved to go? That's all we need to know. Gouranga. The word “corrupt” gets thrown around way too often on here when talking about referees. Incompetent maybe, corrupt nah. Mix Humans, power, lots of money in the game and outside, with inflated egos = potential for corruption. The odds are greater there is than not! Realism.
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Post by bgreen13 on Oct 22, 2020 6:52:49 GMT
According to MON, the linesman was shouting "red card, red card" straight away , leaving the ref with no choice He sounds absolutely furious in the interview. The same linesman who constantly got offside decisions wrong?
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Post by jeycov on Oct 22, 2020 7:26:13 GMT
VAR gives the correct outcome most of the time
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Post by Olgrligm on Oct 22, 2020 7:28:10 GMT
The club should release the footage, if only because I want to see it.
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Post by Cast no shadow on Oct 22, 2020 7:29:18 GMT
Well if we're looking to appeal we must have video evidence, otherwise it would just be the liners original word.
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Post by GeneralFaye on Oct 22, 2020 7:33:40 GMT
Someone needs to take a look at that linesman's betting history, preferably over the past 24-48 hours.
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Post by Fegg 'Ayes Observer on Oct 22, 2020 7:36:05 GMT
Dirty bastard!
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Post by cerebralstokie on Oct 22, 2020 9:11:49 GMT
By all accounts, it seems to have been a dreadful decision. Come back Mike Dean. All is forgiven.
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Post by bgreen13 on Oct 22, 2020 9:16:50 GMT
It makes sense that it was the linesman to be honest because they were both absolutely inept and clueless.
Barring the final decision and not booking thier player straight after for two consecutive fouls, the ref had an OK game.
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Oct 22, 2020 11:28:14 GMT
Even Quest has no footage of it. If we do appeal it, what footage will the panel use? The onus is on the appellant to provide evidence in support of the appeal. So the panel will look at whatever Stoke City send them. The test for the panel is whether the match officials made an obvious error, which is a higher threshold than just whether they agree with the decision made - in other words they don't re-referee the game, but assess whether an obvious error has been made.
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Oct 22, 2020 11:35:54 GMT
In today’s climate JOM is lucky he’s not sent off for pushing the refs arm when he sends Collins off I've only just seen this. Mikel was very lucky not to get at least a yellow. The guidance for pushing an official like that is a red.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2020 11:40:08 GMT
In today’s climate JOM is lucky he’s not sent off for pushing the refs arm when he sends Collins off I've only just seen this. Mikel was very lucky not to get at least a yellow. The guidance for pushing an official like that is a red. Malcolm, is there any way the FA could threaten and action Stoke with retrospective action against Mikel, if they pursue an appeal for Collins?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2020 11:41:04 GMT
Why are so many people in the thread assuming it was an awful decision despite nobody here having actually seen the incident? I’ll wait until I’ve seen it (if I ever do) before judgment. Who knows, maybe our teenage centre half has actually been a naughty boy?
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Post by Pedropotter on Oct 22, 2020 11:41:54 GMT
I hate linesmen like this. If he’s that bothered, he should become a ref. It doesn’t happen in other walks of life. Imagine someone who doesn’t have the bollocks to be a traffic warden pounding the streets shouting “parking fine, parking fine” just to get people into trouble. Football League linesmen are invariably also non-league referees. Non league for a reason......
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Oct 22, 2020 11:43:29 GMT
According to MON, the linesman was shouting "red card, red card" straight away , leaving the ref with no choice He sounds absolutely furious in the interview. I hate linesmen like this. If he’s that bothered, he should become a ref. It doesn’t happen in other walks of life. Imagine someone who doesn’t have the bollocks to be a traffic warden pounding the streets shouting “parking fine, parking fine” just to get people into trouble. That's not right, I'm afraid. Assistant referees at this level have extensive experience of refereeing at lower levels. Also, a year or two ago at the very top level officials had to choose which pathway they wanted to follow - referee or assistant referee, the thinking being that Assistant referee is a specialist job, and at the top level it's better to have AR's who have decided to specialise in the role. On this incident, I'll reserve judgement until I've seen a video ( which may never happen).
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Post by nott1 on Oct 22, 2020 11:46:59 GMT
It makes sense that it was the linesman to be honest because they were both absolutely inept and clueless. Barring the final decision and not booking thier player straight after for two consecutive fouls, the ref had an OK game. I noticed obvious Barnsley offsides that were missed as the linesman was not up with play, because he was too slow!
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Oct 22, 2020 11:47:41 GMT
I've only just seen this. Mikel was very lucky not to get at least a yellow. The guidance for pushing an official like that is a red. Malcolm, is there any way the FA could threaten and action Stoke with retrospective action against Mikel, if they pursue an appeal for Collins? I don't think so, because they normally only do that for incidents not seen by the match officials, and there is obviously no way the referee didn't see that. It's much more likely the ref will get negative feedback from the assessor ( if he/she saw it) and PGMOL for not taking any action.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2020 11:48:46 GMT
Malcolm, is there any way the FA could threaten and action Stoke with retrospective action against Mikel, if they pursue an appeal for Collins? I don't think so, because they normally only do that for incidents not seen by the match officials, and there is obviously no way the referee didn't see that. It's much more likely the ref will get negative feedback from the assessor ( if he/she saw it) and PGMOL for not taking any action. Thanks for that. I just had to ask.
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Post by madelinesmithmmmh on Oct 22, 2020 13:22:53 GMT
By all accounts, it seems to have been a dreadful decision. Come back Mike Dean. All is forgiven. Steady on.
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Post by Northy on Oct 22, 2020 13:29:20 GMT
By all accounts, it seems to have been a dreadful decision. Come back Mike Dean. All is forgiven. Steady on. Mike Dean is fine, he refereed our play off win at Cardiff and sent one of theirs off , Prior?
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Post by mattador78 on Oct 22, 2020 13:37:55 GMT
Mike Dean is fine, he refereed our play off win at Cardiff and sent one of theirs off , Prior? To be fair Mike Dean isn’t a bad ref he just enjoys the spectacle of the big stage a bit to much at times lol
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