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Post by PotterLog on Oct 21, 2020 21:12:40 GMT
He didn't consult with the linesman. So if he saw it (and if not who did?) when it happened why did it take him 2 minutes to send him off I think there is a massive issue with refs in this League. Do they have radio mic/headset jobs?
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Post by AlbertTatlock on Oct 21, 2020 21:13:59 GMT
O’Neill has seen the replay and is pissed apparently It didn't take him long to get the whiskey out. Gouranga.
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Post by spitthedog on Oct 21, 2020 21:14:27 GMT
He didn't consult with the linesman. So if he saw it (and if not who did?) when it happened why did it take him 2 minutes to send him off I think there is a massive issue with refs in this League. Do they have radio mic/headset jobs? Good question
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2020 21:14:49 GMT
O’Neill has seen the replay and is pissed apparently Pissed because it wasn't a red, or pissed because Collins let himself down with whatever he did "off the ball"?
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Post by skelman on Oct 21, 2020 21:15:47 GMT
BBC report says it was an 'off the ball incident' - but no details!
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Post by sportsman on Oct 21, 2020 21:16:01 GMT
I don't want anybody moaning about refs which I've said are either corrupt or bias, when hardly any on here don't like VAR. I'd have it at every game at every level if it was possible. That's complete bollox TBH, Refs are professionals. If this Ref saw something that the rest of us didn't fair enough but if he's going off the reaction of the Barnsley players then he's corrupt. We don't need VAR to tell us that. Take into account also that no one camera angle has yet shown the incident where do you think they'd get the VAR evidence from? Did Collins do something stupid which meant he deserved to go? That's all we need to know. Gouranga. I'm on about refs in general. We've had some shit in the prem, and even worse since we came down.
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Post by Cast no shadow on Oct 21, 2020 21:16:16 GMT
Can't even judge can we, he coulda swung a full elbow into his chops for all we know, need see a decent replay.
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Post by mattythestokie on Oct 21, 2020 21:17:22 GMT
Michael O’Neill: Can I shed any light? It’s a really poor decision. I’ve watched it back. I didn’t believe it was a red card at the time. The assistant notified the referee. We know that because we could hear his shout.
What’s happened really is that there is a coming together between a striker trying to run in behind and a centre-back trying to block his run a little bit. The Barnsley player has thrown himself to the ground and held his face.
The assistant has deemed that a red card. It’s disappointing that a player would do that and, secondly, disappointing obviously that they came to a really poor decision.
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Post by lancashirelad on Oct 21, 2020 21:17:45 GMT
Michael O'Neill press conference: Can you shed any light on the red card? Michael O’Neill: Can I shed any light? It’s a really poor decision. I’ve watched it back. I didn’t believe it was a red card at the time. The assistant notified the referee. We know that because we could hear his shout.
What’s happened really is that there is a coming together between a striker trying to run in behind and a centre-back trying to block his run a little bit. The Barnsley player has thrown himself to the ground and held his face.
The assistant has deemed that a red card. It’s disappointing that a player would do that and, secondly, disappointing obviously that they came to a really poor decision.
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Post by citynickscfc on Oct 21, 2020 21:18:03 GMT
Can't even judge can we, he coulda swung a full elbow into his chops for all we know, need see a decent replay. Oh the joys of being a spectator in the shit leagues. Don't even get a replay, never mind a say 😂.
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Post by lancashirelad on Oct 21, 2020 21:18:18 GMT
Michael O’Neill: Can I shed any light? It’s a really poor decision. I’ve watched it back. I didn’t believe it was a red card at the time. The assistant notified the referee. We know that because we could hear his shout. What’s happened really is that there is a coming together between a striker trying to run in behind and a centre-back trying to block his run a little bit. The Barnsley player has thrown himself to the ground and held his face. The assistant has deemed that a red card. It’s disappointing that a player would do that and, secondly, disappointing obviously that they came to a really poor decision. Snap
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Post by J-Roar on Oct 21, 2020 21:22:19 GMT
O’Neill has seen the replay and is pissed apparently Too much Guinness, too much whiskey? Did he mention how he felt about the vale in his press conference?
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Post by cobhamstokey on Oct 21, 2020 21:22:31 GMT
I think generally there’s 2 signs that indicate there wasn’t a lot in it
The reaction of the Stoke players and coaching staff.
The way the “injured” player got up uninjured after rolling around for the refs benefit.
No doubt the pundits would describe the Barnsley as being “clever” I call it cheating.
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Post by Olgrligm on Oct 21, 2020 21:22:32 GMT
The referee watched it post-match with McKinlay and O'Neil in front of the TV cameras. You couldn't see the replay, but McKinlay looked like he was planning on slashing the referee's tyres.
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Post by walrus on Oct 21, 2020 21:24:29 GMT
The word “corrupt” gets thrown around way too often on here when talking about referees. Incompetent maybe, corrupt nah. No... They are corrupt. They should be unbias, as with a jury in court, however they are often 'corrupted'- influenced by exterior motives, therefore corrupt. Corrupt by definition has to have an element of doing something for personal gain. I think we should be careful levelling allegations of corruption at people left, right and centre as it detracts from the seriousness of the crime of corruption.
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Post by walrus on Oct 21, 2020 21:25:31 GMT
The word “corrupt” gets thrown around way too often on here when talking about referees. Incompetent maybe, corrupt nah. nah if he got a decision glaringly wrong that's incompetent, if he didn't see it - then refused to consult with the linesmen but listened to the Barnsley players take on it - then made his decision - that's corrupt. Gouranga. As I’ve just replied to another poster, corrupt by definition has to have an element of doing something for personal gain. I think we should be careful levelling allegations of corruption at people left, right and centre as it detracts from the seriousness of the crime of corruption.
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Post by mickstupp on Oct 21, 2020 21:25:34 GMT
Michael O’Neill: Can I shed any light? It’s a really poor decision. I’ve watched it back. I didn’t believe it was a red card at the time. The assistant notified the referee. We know that because we could hear his shout. What’s happened really is that there is a coming together between a striker trying to run in behind and a centre-back trying to block his run a little bit. The Barnsley player has thrown himself to the ground and held his face. The assistant has deemed that a red card. It’s disappointing that a player would do that and, secondly, disappointing obviously that they came to a really poor decision. Grounds for an appeal possibly?
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Post by thehoof on Oct 21, 2020 21:26:05 GMT
Watching on the SKY red button ( where the viewer doesn’t get the benefit of replays), but the commentator said that he’d just watched a reply on the monitor and did not see anything.
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Post by FullerMagic on Oct 21, 2020 21:26:39 GMT
According to MON, the linesman was shouting "red card, red card" straight away , leaving the ref with no choice
He sounds absolutely furious in the interview.
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Post by PotterLog on Oct 21, 2020 21:27:18 GMT
No... They are corrupt. They should be unbias, as with a jury in court, however they are often 'corrupted'- influenced by exterior motives, therefore corrupt. Corrupt by definition has to have an element of doing something for personal gain. I think we should be careful levelling allegations of corruption at people left, right and centre as it detracts from the seriousness of the crime of corruption. Not to mention you actually have to prove it, not just say they are influenced by exterior [sic] motives "therefore" they're corrupt
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Post by BristolMick on Oct 21, 2020 21:28:00 GMT
O’Neill has seen the replay and is pissed apparently Well he ain’t going to make much sense of it then is he? Mind you I can understand him wanting to get some anaesthetic down him after that shit show! BM
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2020 21:29:23 GMT
According to MON, the linesman was shouting "red card, red card" straight away , leaving the ref with no choice He sounds absolutely furious in the interview. * Assistant referee ** Shithouse
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Post by citynickscfc on Oct 21, 2020 21:31:41 GMT
No... They are corrupt. They should be unbias, as with a jury in court, however they are often 'corrupted'- influenced by exterior motives, therefore corrupt. Corrupt by definition has to have an element of doing something for personal gain. I think we should be careful levelling allegations of corruption at people left, right and centre as it detracts from the seriousness of the crime of corruption. Isn't personal motive a personal gain? Forgive me here, we aren't necessarily talking monetary, it could be any number of motives or elements influencing ones decision. The feeling of power is ones personal gain, in addition to external interests which are often very very clear. It's nothing new to the game, the game itself is corrupt so we really should not be at all surprised.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 21, 2020 21:33:48 GMT
According to MON, the linesman was shouting "red card, red card" straight away , leaving the ref with no choice He sounds absolutely furious in the interview. Did that linesman get anything right? His offside calls were laughable.
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Post by PotterLog on Oct 21, 2020 21:35:19 GMT
According to MON, the linesman was shouting "red card, red card" straight away , leaving the ref with no choice He sounds absolutely furious in the interview. How did it take him two minutes to produce it then??
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Post by dirtygary69 on Oct 21, 2020 21:38:52 GMT
If it was the linesman that’s told him to give that red then that’s topped off a thoroughly horrific evening for him. He was fucking shite and to have the audacity to shout a red from 30 yards away is scandalous. At least he can go home proud of having such a massive influence on game, the silly wanker.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Oct 21, 2020 21:38:58 GMT
In today’s climate JOM is lucky he’s not sent off for pushing the refs arm when he sends Collins off
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Post by Billy the kid on Oct 21, 2020 21:42:21 GMT
Lino a cunt ref a cunt red card? What the fuck for? Not that we would have won mind as we were nowhere near for 45 mins, frustrating slow start again *yawn*
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Post by onionman on Oct 21, 2020 21:45:20 GMT
According to MON, the linesman was shouting "red card, red card" straight away , leaving the ref with no choice He sounds absolutely furious in the interview. I hate linesmen like this. If he’s that bothered, he should become a ref. It doesn’t happen in other walks of life. Imagine someone who doesn’t have the bollocks to be a traffic warden pounding the streets shouting “parking fine, parking fine” just to get people into trouble.
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Post by walrus on Oct 21, 2020 21:48:09 GMT
Corrupt by definition has to have an element of doing something for personal gain. I think we should be careful levelling allegations of corruption at people left, right and centre as it detracts from the seriousness of the crime of corruption. Isn't personal motive a personal gain? Forgive me here, we aren't necessarily talking monetary, it could be any number of motives or elements influencing ones decision. The feeling of power is ones personal gain, in addition to external interests which are often very very clear. It's nothing new to the game, the game itself is corrupt so we really should not be at all surprised. I suppose you could make that argument. Gaining power is a form of personal gain and referees do often seem to be on a power trip. The problem with this is that it’s impossible to prove or disprove, which leads to what most people understand to be a very serious allegation - corruption - being made every time a decision goes against us. I’d much rather reserve the word “corrupt” for what most people take it to mean though, ie for financial or material gain and use alternate words for the power-tripping refs. For example “wanker”.
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