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Post by AlbertTatlock on Oct 21, 2020 20:42:12 GMT
Can't say I've seen the incident as the cameras didn't seem to cover it. Has anyone seen a replay yet? If so what's your take on it? Gouranga.
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Oct 21, 2020 20:43:24 GMT
Because some of the Barnsley players told him apparently
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Post by y_oh_y_delilah on Oct 21, 2020 20:44:40 GMT
Collins seemed to be indicating a coming together. Apart from that I’m as much in the dark as you Albert.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Oct 21, 2020 20:44:51 GMT
I think the linesman or 4th official told him
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Post by callas12 on Oct 21, 2020 20:45:42 GMT
Haven't seen the incident but the ref was just stood next to the tunnel chatting with O'Neil, Rouse and McKinley at some length at the end about it. Fair play to the ref for at least chatting to them instead of scurrying off but that conversation will i'm sure shed some light on why the ref made the decision he did.
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Post by AlbertTatlock on Oct 21, 2020 20:45:53 GMT
I'm waiting for one of the TV shows to show a replay, has MON been interviewed yet? Gouranga.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2020 20:46:52 GMT
I didn’t see him consult any assistant. For such as important decision surely he needs a second angle to confirm what he thinks he might have seen?
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Post by spitthedog on Oct 21, 2020 20:47:26 GMT
He didn't consult with the linesman.
So if he saw it (and if not who did?) when it happened why did it take him 2 minutes to send him off
I think there is a massive issue with refs in this League.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 21, 2020 20:49:36 GMT
He didn't consult with the linesman. So if he saw it (and if not who did?) when it happened why did it take him 2 minutes to send him off I think there is a massive issue with refs in this League. They make the PL refs look competent.
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Post by tcdobinghoff on Oct 21, 2020 20:49:39 GMT
I think Mikel put a hand on the ref as well in the aftermath. He could have gone as well.
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Post by scfcno1fan on Oct 21, 2020 20:51:27 GMT
I think Mikel put a hand on the ref as well in the aftermath. He could have gone as well. I thought Mikel was the one who had got sent off, precisely for that reason.
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Post by greystokie on Oct 21, 2020 20:51:37 GMT
I think Mikel put a hand on the ref as well in the aftermath. He could have gone as well. He did. I was surprised the ref let it pass.
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Post by JesusisaStokie on Oct 21, 2020 20:52:42 GMT
I think Mikel put a hand on the ref as well in the aftermath. He could have gone as well. I originally thought Mikel had gone for that reason, I looked at my phone for half a second and looked back up and there was a red out of nowhere, still haven't seen a replay
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Post by sportsman on Oct 21, 2020 20:56:45 GMT
He didn't consult with the linesman. So if he saw it (and if not who did?) when it happened why did it take him 2 minutes to send him off I think there is a massive issue with refs in this League. I don't want anybody moaning about refs which I've said are either corrupt or bias, when hardly any on here don't like VAR. I'd have it at every game at every level if it was possible.
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Post by mickey2693 on Oct 21, 2020 20:58:50 GMT
He didn't consult with the linesman. So if he saw it (and if not who did?) when it happened why did it take him 2 minutes to send him off I think there is a massive issue with refs in this League. I don't want anybody moaning about refs which I've said are either corrupt or bias, when hardly any on here don't like VAR. I'd have it at every game at every level if it was possible. VAR just opens up a load of new problems. Has football been any less controversial since VAR was introduced?
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Post by Rt Hon Reverend Luvpump on Oct 21, 2020 20:59:44 GMT
Hopefully see it in the EFL roundup
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2020 21:04:41 GMT
I saw nothing that warranted a red card in the challenge so I can only conclude that Collins said something and got sent off for dissent.
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Post by Veritas on Oct 21, 2020 21:06:17 GMT
It must have been an off the ball incident as the ball went over the top, I suspect the ref believes Collins elbowed their player.
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Post by AlbertTatlock on Oct 21, 2020 21:06:51 GMT
He didn't consult with the linesman. So if he saw it (and if not who did?) when it happened why did it take him 2 minutes to send him off I think there is a massive issue with refs in this League. I don't want anybody moaning about refs which I've said are either corrupt or bias, when hardly any on here don't like VAR. I'd have it at every game at every level if it was possible. That's complete bollox TBH, Refs are professionals. If this Ref saw something that the rest of us didn't fair enough but if he's going off the reaction of the Barnsley players then he's corrupt. We don't need VAR to tell us that. Take into account also that no one camera angle has yet shown the incident where do you think they'd get the VAR evidence from? Did Collins do something stupid which meant he deserved to go? That's all we need to know. Gouranga.
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Post by spitthedog on Oct 21, 2020 21:07:11 GMT
He didn't consult with the linesman. So if he saw it (and if not who did?) when it happened why did it take him 2 minutes to send him off I think there is a massive issue with refs in this League. I don't want anybody moaning about refs which I've said are either corrupt or bias, when hardly any on here don't like VAR. I'd have it at every game at every level if it was possible. The choice should not be between incompetent refs and a not fit for purpose VAR system. There can be, and should be alternatives
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Post by ethers26 on Oct 21, 2020 21:07:32 GMT
I think Mikel put a hand on the ref as well in the aftermath. He could have gone as well. I thought Mikel was the one who had got sent off, precisely for that reason. Could he have got them mixed up?
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Post by AlbertTatlock on Oct 21, 2020 21:08:28 GMT
I thought Mikel was the one who had got sent off, precisely for that reason. Could he have got them mixed up? Yeah - I mean they could almost be identical twins Gouranga.
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Post by spitthedog on Oct 21, 2020 21:08:38 GMT
It must have been an off the ball incident as the ball went over the top, I suspect the ref believes Collins elbowed their player. and 2 minutes to decide that is a sending off....how does that work without consulting another official???
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Post by walrus on Oct 21, 2020 21:08:48 GMT
I don't want anybody moaning about refs which I've said are either corrupt or bias, when hardly any on here don't like VAR. I'd have it at every game at every level if it was possible. That's complete bollox TBH, Refs are professionals. If this Ref saw something that the rest of us didn't fair enough but if he's going off the reaction of the Barnsley players then he's corrupt. We don't need VAR to tell us that. Take into account also that no one camera angle has yet shown the incident where do you think they'd get the VAR evidence from? Did Collins do something stupid which meant he deserved to go? That's all we need to know. Gouranga. The word “corrupt” gets thrown around way too often on here when talking about referees. Incompetent maybe, corrupt nah.
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Post by ethers26 on Oct 21, 2020 21:09:28 GMT
Could he have got them mixed up? Yeah - I mean they could almost be identical twins Gouranga. Similar height.
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Post by citynickscfc on Oct 21, 2020 21:09:30 GMT
I don't want anybody moaning about refs which I've said are either corrupt or bias, when hardly any on here don't like VAR. I'd have it at every game at every level if it was possible. That's complete bollox TBH, Refs are professionals. If this Ref saw something that the rest of us didn't fair enough but if he's going off the reaction of the Barnsley players then he's corrupt. We don't need VAR to tell us that. Take into account also that no one camera angle has yet shown the incident where do you think they'd get the VAR evidence from? Did Collins do something stupid which meant he deserved to go? That's all we need to know. Gouranga. Power, really gets to some people even they get out in such a position. See the police videos all over YouTube. This isn't much different, you get to put yourself in a position above others for 90 minutes without justification of your actions. I'm not sure why it's such a rudimentary system employed within modern sports, see tennis, rugby, athletics, cricket. Refs aren't above anyone there as they typically need justification- but not football
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Post by nutterpotter on Oct 21, 2020 21:10:20 GMT
O’Neill has seen the replay and is pissed apparently
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Post by citynickscfc on Oct 21, 2020 21:10:38 GMT
That's complete bollox TBH, Refs are professionals. If this Ref saw something that the rest of us didn't fair enough but if he's going off the reaction of the Barnsley players then he's corrupt. We don't need VAR to tell us that. Take into account also that no one camera angle has yet shown the incident where do you think they'd get the VAR evidence from? Did Collins do something stupid which meant he deserved to go? That's all we need to know. Gouranga. The word “corrupt” gets thrown around way too often on here when talking about referees. Incompetent maybe, corrupt nah. No... They are corrupt. They should be unbias, as with a jury in court, however they are often 'corrupted'- influenced by exterior motives, therefore corrupt.
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Post by norman conquest on Oct 21, 2020 21:11:56 GMT
I don't want anybody moaning about refs which I've said are either corrupt or bias, when hardly any on here don't like VAR. I'd have it at every game at every level if it was possible. VAR just opens up a load of new problems. Has football been any less controversial since VAR was introduced? The only things its done are pathetic handball ..very confusing liverpool getting loads of help in one form or another man ure getting a pen every game more or less my mrs is easier to understand and shes a gin soaked lunatic most of the time
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Post by AlbertTatlock on Oct 21, 2020 21:12:12 GMT
That's complete bollox TBH, Refs are professionals. If this Ref saw something that the rest of us didn't fair enough but if he's going off the reaction of the Barnsley players then he's corrupt. We don't need VAR to tell us that. Take into account also that no one camera angle has yet shown the incident where do you think they'd get the VAR evidence from? Did Collins do something stupid which meant he deserved to go? That's all we need to know. Gouranga. The word “corrupt” gets thrown around way too often on here when talking about referees. Incompetent maybe, corrupt nah. nah if he got a decision glaringly wrong that's incompetent, if he didn't see it - then refused to consult with the linesmen but listened to the Barnsley players take on it - then made his decision - that's corrupt. Gouranga.
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