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Post by bgreen13 on Jan 15, 2021 19:11:49 GMT
I bet the questions that are asked were also compiled weeks ago, if this bloke rang me explaining I’d won the lottery I’d still hate him immensely. Why would anyone ring you to tell you you've won the lottery?
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Post by hardcastle on Jan 15, 2021 20:42:23 GMT
My usual response to any debate about TS - he's entitled to the same degree of credit for the good times / good decisions during TP's and Hughes' periods of success as he is discredit for the period of decline (Spring 2016 to Autumn 2019). It's all 'on his watch' but, let's be honest, only partly down to him.
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Post by citynickscfc on Jan 15, 2021 21:49:32 GMT
My usual response to any debate about TS - he's entitled to the same degree of credit for the good times / good decisions during TP's and Hughes' periods of success as he is discredit for the period of decline (Spring 2016 to Autumn 2019). It's all 'on his watch' but, let's be honest, only partly down to him. But so much else is absolutely shit about the club, still is, however it is just being masked by covid (i.e. no fans, no finances, no plan of the field again). But... Season tickets are frozen guysssss 👍
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Post by onefatcopper on Jan 15, 2021 22:43:19 GMT
My usual response to any debate about TS - he's entitled to the same degree of credit for the good times / good decisions during TP's and Hughes' periods of success as he is discredit for the period of decline (Spring 2016 to Autumn 2019). It's all 'on his watch' but, let's be honest, only partly down to him. Forget about the football side for a second and look at the club as a whole, the CEO of a company cannot pick and choose what part of the company he is responsible for because a CEO is responsible for all aspects of the company. The clubs “partnerships “, we have gone from world renowned brands associated to the club to a local tile wholesalers, a local solicitors and the local university, all before COVID 19 broke out, WHY ? The IT of company has been left in 2008/9 when ordering a season ticket, day tickets or merchandise, you place your purchase in the lap of the gods praying that the item will arrive on time, WHY ? The clubs Website is a embarrassment ? When we played Leicester City in a friendly at the Brit365 it was easier to get the stream by temporarily joining Leicester’s website, no surprise there then ! Well I forgot to remove myself from there site and since I have received a video message from players wishing me happy birthday, constantly reminded about future games/ticketing, videos accessible to all of training, managers and players views and a full highlights package ? What do you get from Stoke ? Tacky adverts offering training jackets that are more suitable for the RAC, WHY ? These are just a few non football gripes that a responsible CEO of a company, that is in the entertainment industry would and could have rectified years ago, the trouble is that our CEO has past his shelf life, he’s been left in the past with no imagination for the current let alone the future, he’s a dinosaur.
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Post by citynickscfc on Jan 15, 2021 23:12:16 GMT
My usual response to any debate about TS - he's entitled to the same degree of credit for the good times / good decisions during TP's and Hughes' periods of success as he is discredit for the period of decline (Spring 2016 to Autumn 2019). It's all 'on his watch' but, let's be honest, only partly down to him. Forget about the football side for a second and look at the club as a whole, the CEO of a company cannot pick and choose what part of the company he is responsible for because a CEO is responsible for all aspects of the company. The clubs “partnerships “, we have gone from world renowned brands associated to the club to a local tile wholesalers, a local solicitors and the local university, all before COVID 19 broke out, WHY ? The IT of company has been left in 2008/9 when ordering a season ticket, day tickets or merchandise, you place your purchase in the lap of the gods praying that the item will arrive on time, WHY ? The clubs Website is a embarrassment ? When we played Leicester City in a friendly at the Brit365 it was easier to get the stream by temporarily joining Leicester’s website, no surprise there then ! Well I forgot to remove myself from there site and since I have received a video message from players wishing me happy birthday, constantly reminded about future games/ticketing, videos accessible to all of training, managers and players views and a full highlights package ? What do you get from Stoke ? Tacky adverts offering training jackets that are more suitable for the RAC, WHY ? These are just a few non football gripes that a responsible CEO of a company, that is in the entertainment industry would and could have rectified years ago, the trouble is that our CEO has past his shelf life, he’s been left in the past with no imagination for the current let alone the future, he’s a dinosaur. This is s relatively accurate summary of my experiences and opinions of our off the field policies and management. How far we are behind other clubs grasping at opportunities and putting fans in positions of centrality to the club, even if it is part of the illusion, still adds to engagement and immersion. When we are at 13k attendance in 10 years and our kids and relatives cannot give a crap about us, this will be part of the reason why. We will still have the same CEO and structural deficits off the field then too. But we do have chip and PIN!!!😅👍
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Jan 15, 2021 23:16:02 GMT
My usual response to any debate about TS - he's entitled to the same degree of credit for the good times / good decisions during TP's and Hughes' periods of success as he is discredit for the period of decline (Spring 2016 to Autumn 2019). It's all 'on his watch' but, let's be honest, only partly down to him. Forget about the football side for a second and look at the club as a whole, the CEO of a company cannot pick and choose what part of the company he is responsible for because a CEO is responsible for all aspects of the company. The clubs “partnerships “, we have gone from world renowned brands associated to the club to a local tile wholesalers, a local solicitors and the local university, all before COVID 19 broke out, WHY ? The IT of company has been left in 2008/9 when ordering a season ticket, day tickets or merchandise, you place your purchase in the lap of the gods praying that the item will arrive on time, WHY ? The clubs Website is a embarrassment ? When we played Leicester City in a friendly at the Brit365 it was easier to get the stream by temporarily joining Leicester’s website, no surprise there then ! Well I forgot to remove myself from there site and since I have received a video message from players wishing me happy birthday, constantly reminded about future games/ticketing, videos accessible to all of training, managers and players views and a full highlights package ? What do you get from Stoke ? Tacky adverts offering training jackets that are more suitable for the RAC, WHY ? These are just a few non football gripes that a responsible CEO of a company, that is in the entertainment industry would and could have rectified years ago, the trouble is that our CEO has past his shelf life, he’s been left in the past with no imagination for the current let alone the future, he’s a dinosaur. Both fair posts albeit I’d add 1 to the original everyone else associated with the bad tones has paid with their job and been held accountable for failure but not the boss from managers to assistants to coaches to talents directors , to medical Stsff but not the chief executive 2 to the second all fair bit doesn’t include Losing £100m of revenue , wasting approaching £200m of lending from Owniing shareholders , catastrophically damaging the value of the business by 10,S if not a 100 million pounds , authorising Contracts which are holding the club Back for years , losing prone assets for significantly les the market value ,and leaving no tenable legacy from 10 years at the top table with revenues of over £500m . apart front that he’s done a great job .
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Post by FranktheRabbit on Jan 15, 2021 23:20:59 GMT
I bet the questions that are asked were also compiled weeks ago, if this bloke rang me explaining I’d won the lottery I’d still hate him immensely. Why would anyone ring you to tell you you've won the lottery? That’s a good questionable.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Jan 16, 2021 1:24:53 GMT
Why would anyone ring you to tell you you've won the lottery? That’s a good questionable. Nah it's just someone being extremely pedantic.
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Post by madnellie on Jan 16, 2021 1:31:53 GMT
That’s a good questionable. Nah it's just someone being extremely pedantic. So it's a questionable question? The answer is "because it's the person who runs your syndicate" though, Shirley?
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Post by Olgrligm on Jan 16, 2021 4:29:14 GMT
That's the point though. The model is almost entirely dependent on the manager. Which puts all the pressure on making sure you get a good one. Great that we've got one, shit that it's taken us three diabolical ones in a row - with increasingly ruinous consequences - before we got it right... Playing devil's advocate, what happens if you appoint a shit Director of Football? Doesn't it just shift the problem elsewhere? Ultimately, the success of a football club depends largely on 3 aspects: Recruitment, Tactics and Man Management. The manager's always going to be responsible for the latter two, but you could end up having a tactically savvy manager, who the players like and give their all for, but who keeps getting duff players foisted upon him by a useless DOF. The modern Director of Football is sport's version of the unelected, unaccountable bureaucrat in politics. The manager's job is to put the cones out at training and to get sacked when results slide.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 16, 2021 8:28:21 GMT
Playing devil's advocate, what happens if you appoint a shit Director of Football? Doesn't it just shift the problem elsewhere? Ultimately, the success of a football club depends largely on 3 aspects: Recruitment, Tactics and Man Management. The manager's always going to be responsible for the latter two, but you could end up having a tactically savvy manager, who the players like and give their all for, but who keeps getting duff players foisted upon him by a useless DOF. The modern Director of Football is sport's version of the unelected, unaccountable bureaucrat in politics. The manager's job is to put the cones out at training and to get sacked when results slide. Yeah, it really isn’t in the majority of cases, certainly in English football. It possibly is at Watford and maybe Chelsea (though even there Lampard supposedly has a lot more say than some previous managers) but it isn’t the case at Liverpool, Norwich or any number of clubs who’ve had success with the model. It’s a collaboration of which the manager is very much a big part, he’s just no longer the autocrat who controls everything. Which means if he does move on, you’ve already got a system in place that means you don’t need to completely change everything to accommodate someone with a totally different style of play, attitude to the transfer market etc.
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Post by supersimonstainrod on Jan 16, 2021 10:08:26 GMT
The modern Director of Football is sport's version of the unelected, unaccountable bureaucrat in politics. The manager's job is to put the cones out at training and to get sacked when results slide. Yeah, it really isn’t in the majority of cases, certainly in English football. It possibly is at Watford and maybe Chelsea (though even there Lampard supposedly has a lot more say than some previous managers) but it isn’t the case at Liverpool, Norwich or any number of clubs who’ve had success with the model. It’s a collaboration of which the manager is very much a big part, he’s just no longer the autocrat who controls everything. Which means if he does move on, you’ve already got a system in place that means you don’t need to completely change everything to accommodate someone with a totally different style of play, attitude to the transfer market etc. From 2017,When Smith was manager,so not exactly contemporaneous,but it gives a good insight into why Brentford seem to be able to absorb the blows better than most: bleacherreport.com/articles/2718752-brentfords-moneyball-way-to-beat-football-teams-with-huge-budgets
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Post by Olgrligm on Jan 16, 2021 11:16:48 GMT
The modern Director of Football is sport's version of the unelected, unaccountable bureaucrat in politics. The manager's job is to put the cones out at training and to get sacked when results slide. Yeah, it really isn’t in the majority of cases, certainly in English football. It possibly is at Watford and maybe Chelsea (though even there Lampard supposedly has a lot more say than some previous managers) but it isn’t the case at Liverpool, Norwich or any number of clubs who’ve had success with the model. It’s a collaboration of which the manager is very much a big part, he’s just no longer the autocrat who controls everything. Which means if he does move on, you’ve already got a system in place that means you don’t need to completely change everything to accommodate someone with a totally different style of play, attitude to the transfer market etc. Chelsea for definite. I stole my description of the role from Carlo Ancelotti. Even at Southampton, which is a relative success, there was a spell in which they were churning through managers and fans were openly wondering why there was no accountability for Les Reed, who was running the show from his black box. Yes, there's an element of partnership that can work well, but if the DoF and chairman are responsible for determining tactics, style of play, profile of player and all transfers, the head coach is little better than an assistant manager with added fireguard duties. It goes without saying that our feeble attempts to try and have it both ways from late Pulis to Jones was far worse than either. Thankfully, they seem to have given O'Neill the autonomy in recruitment that past managers have without a transfer team going off and doing their own thing simultaneously. The difference is that O'Neill's scouting approach seems much more fit for the 21st Century than the big book of Portsmouth/Sunderland/Tottenham reserve players.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 16, 2021 11:35:24 GMT
Yeah, it really isn’t in the majority of cases, certainly in English football. It possibly is at Watford and maybe Chelsea (though even there Lampard supposedly has a lot more say than some previous managers) but it isn’t the case at Liverpool, Norwich or any number of clubs who’ve had success with the model. It’s a collaboration of which the manager is very much a big part, he’s just no longer the autocrat who controls everything. Which means if he does move on, you’ve already got a system in place that means you don’t need to completely change everything to accommodate someone with a totally different style of play, attitude to the transfer market etc. Chelsea for definite. I stole my description of the role from Carlo Ancelotti. Even at Southampton, which is a relative success, there was a spell in which they were churning through managers and fans were openly wondering why there was no accountability for Les Reed, who was running the show from his black box. Yes, there's an element of partnership that can work well, but if the DoF and chairman are responsible for determining tactics, style of play, profile of player and all transfers, the head coach is little better than an assistant manager with added fireguard duties. It goes without saying that our feeble attempts to try and have it both ways from late Pulis to Jones was far worse than either. Thankfully, they seem to have given O'Neill the autonomy in recruitment that past managers have without a transfer team going off and doing their own thing simultaneously. The difference is that O'Neill's scouting approach seems much more fit for the 21st Century than the big book of Portsmouth/Sunderland/Tottenham reserve players. That seems an awful lot like just ignoring the large number of instances where that’s not the case and the manager is very much involved with the process to focus on the few ones where it isn’t though? And even with some of those, Lampard seems to have had a lot of involvement with who Chelsea signed since their ban was lifted? It definitely seems more joined up for us than it has in the past with O’Neill coordinating the scouting and recruitment. Seemed a lot more scattershot before that, with no real vision or plan since Hughes lost the plot.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Jan 23, 2021 9:37:46 GMT
Well we can add to his crime sheet squandered three years of peachier payments . There was a lot in the media yesterday about arsenal squandering £190m on transfers this bloke has overseen the same it’s now logged as debt and I lien Arsenal we’ve got relegated , it’s a far bigger % of our turnover and we’ve squandered three years parachute payments consolidated ourselves as mid table championship and now teeter on the brink of FFP with our better players destined for next summers distress sales .
They are saying yesterday no one at Arsenal can possibly survivor such appalling business management it’s unthinkable in any other walk of life anywhere in the world . Meanwhile oit man hides in the shadows of disaster after disaster
Each window gets worse and meanwhile he whinges on about FFP knowing our shareholders would try and blast out of the mes if Allowed on ovoid to the fact if they gave the business £1billion he’d still screw it up leading a culture of mediocrity , arrogance and routine acceptance of failure while deflecting all accountability .
Here’s the reason we will spend our fourth and fifth consecutive seasons mid table championshop the premier league and until it changes we are where we are
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Post by FullerMagic on Sept 1, 2021 18:09:54 GMT
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Post by Veritas on Sept 1, 2021 18:14:56 GMT
Well we can add to his crime sheet squandered three years of peachier payments . There was a lot in the media yesterday about arsenal squandering £190m on transfers this bloke has overseen the same it’s now logged as debt and I lien Arsenal we’ve got relegated , it’s a far bigger % of our turnover and we’ve squandered three years parachute payments consolidated ourselves as mid table championship and now teeter on the brink of FFP with our better players destined for next summers distress sales . They are saying yesterday no one at Arsenal can possibly survivor such appalling business management it’s unthinkable in any other walk of life anywhere in the world . Meanwhile oit man hides in the shadows of disaster after disaster Each window gets worse and meanwhile he whinges on about FFP knowing our shareholders would try and blast out of the mes if Allowed on ovoid to the fact if they gave the business £1billion he’d still screw it up leading a culture of mediocrity , arrogance and routine acceptance of failure while deflecting all accountability . Here’s the reason we will spend our fourth and fifth consecutive seasons mid table championshop the premier league and until it changes we are where we are Behave and enjoy tbe moment, if you want to wallow in the past go back to the pre Premier League days.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Sept 1, 2021 18:32:10 GMT
Well we can add to his crime sheet squandered three years of peachier payments . There was a lot in the media yesterday about arsenal squandering £190m on transfers this bloke has overseen the same it’s now logged as debt and I lien Arsenal we’ve got relegated , it’s a far bigger % of our turnover and we’ve squandered three years parachute payments consolidated ourselves as mid table championship and now teeter on the brink of FFP with our better players destined for next summers distress sales . They are saying yesterday no one at Arsenal can possibly survivor such appalling business management it’s unthinkable in any other walk of life anywhere in the world . Meanwhile oit man hides in the shadows of disaster after disaster Each window gets worse and meanwhile he whinges on about FFP knowing our shareholders would try and blast out of the mes if Allowed on ovoid to the fact if they gave the business £1billion he’d still screw it up leading a culture of mediocrity , arrogance and routine acceptance of failure while deflecting all accountability . Here’s the reason we will spend our fourth and fifth consecutive seasons mid table championshop the premier league and until it changes we are where we are Behave and enjoy tbe moment, if you want to wallow in the past go back to the pre Premier League days. Jan post catch up see my latest post on this subject or Credit where credits due if it turns out so bit right now a long way to go
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Post by clarkeda on Sept 1, 2021 18:33:28 GMT
Is it worth listening to?
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Post by FullerMagic on Sept 1, 2021 18:37:01 GMT
Is it worth listening to? If you're the type of person that likes listening to Tony Scholes interviews, it's mildly diverting
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 1, 2021 23:52:27 GMT
Love how he appears when the sun is shining and we’re making hay.
Hopefully we hear a lot more from in the coming months and how this was his plan all along!
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