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Post by crouchpotato1 on Dec 20, 2020 11:15:58 GMT
I agree about Whitehead having a great game at right back but there’s not a hope in hell Joe Allen will be playing right back in a Michael O’Neill team in my opinion especially with his lack of height He is short but he’s also actually pretty good in the air, wins more headers than most others tbh. I just don’t think he can play in a midfield two and we’ve shown we can do better with others in. Cousins protects the back line better Clucas scores more Mikel is a much better passer Then there’s Allen. Whatever you think on the situation a fit Joe Allen will be in the starting eleven and if you listened to O’Neill yesterday it backs that up
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 20, 2020 11:41:54 GMT
He is short but he’s also actually pretty good in the air, wins more headers than most others tbh. I just don’t think he can play in a midfield two and we’ve shown we can do better with others in. Cousins protects the back line better Clucas scores more Mikel is a much better passer Then there’s Allen. Whatever you think on the situation a fit Joe Allen will be in the starting eleven and if you listened to O’Neill yesterday it backs that up I don’t doubt it. The totally wrong call. He’s a bench player or right back at best. The ease at which we have replaced him is a credit to the squad.
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Post by stoke111 on Dec 20, 2020 11:57:44 GMT
Whatever you think on the situation a fit Joe Allen will be in the starting eleven and if you listened to O’Neill yesterday it backs that up I don’t doubt it. The totally wrong call. He’s a bench player or right back at best. The ease at which we have replaced him is a credit to the squad. Has Allen ever played RB?
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Dec 20, 2020 11:58:57 GMT
I don’t doubt it. The totally wrong call. He’s a bench player or right back at best. The ease at which we have replaced him is a credit to the squad. Has Allen ever played RB? Yes In Bayern’s football manager game
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 20, 2020 12:02:06 GMT
I don’t doubt it. The totally wrong call. He’s a bench player or right back at best. The ease at which we have replaced him is a credit to the squad. Has Allen ever played RB? I doubt it. But he can’t play in midfield for us so why not? The side line should help him keep position.
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Post by Ron on Dec 20, 2020 12:02:13 GMT
A fit Joe Allen is important to us. Whilst we have coped without him it is just that- coped.
To suggest Tymon Thompson should be starting ahead of him is strange. A good player, full of energy and a knack for a goal.
Will be like a new signing for us.
The way he was used did play a part in our relegation in that he was picked as a 10 when he shouldn’t have been.
We will be a better team for he and Clucas in it.
A better player than some give him credit for for me.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 20, 2020 12:02:25 GMT
Has Allen ever played RB? Yes In Bayern’s football manager game Like I’d use that useless shit anywhere 😂
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Post by stoke111 on Dec 20, 2020 12:04:35 GMT
Has Allen ever played RB? Yes In Bayern’s football manager game Over 150 games in the prem, over 50 international caps and several different managers all never playing him at RB (fairly sure). But this guy decides after all that we should play the guy at RB in the championship. Gets attention I guess.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 20, 2020 12:12:15 GMT
Yes In Bayern’s football manager game Over 150 games in the prem, over 50 international caps and several different managers all never playing him at RB (fairly sure). But this guy decides after all that we should play the guy at RB in the championship. Gets attention I guess. He’s been useless for us in midfield. We have a better midfield now than we have ever had with Allen in. It’s very strange how people want him back. He’s shown he cannot play in midfield for us without it affecting the team. And if you look at what he does well objectively a wing back in a 532 suits him down to the ground. He can’t play in a midfield 2 and if there’s 3 in midfield then 1 has to be Cousins, 1 has to be Powell that leaves Clucas or Allen and Clucas is so much better.
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Post by gingerninja on Dec 20, 2020 12:15:48 GMT
Will the match be live on Stoke u tube channel as before this season?. Be good to see him back..
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Post by fulagoals on Dec 20, 2020 12:45:55 GMT
He is short but he’s also actually pretty good in the air, wins more headers than most others tbh. I just don’t think he can play in a midfield two and we’ve shown we can do better with others in. Cousins protects the back line better Clucas scores more Mikel is a much better passer Then there’s Allen. Whatever you think on the situation a fit Joe Allen will be in the starting eleven and if you listened to O’Neill yesterday it backs that up I’ve said it before, every single manager he has played for rate him highly. MON can’t wait to have him back in his midfield and rightly so. I bet if you asked every single manager in the championship if they would play a fit Joe Allen in their team then all 24 would say yes.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Dec 20, 2020 12:49:17 GMT
Over 150 games in the prem, over 50 international caps and several different managers all never playing him at RB (fairly sure). But this guy decides after all that we should play the guy at RB in the championship. Gets attention I guess. He’s been useless for us in midfield. We have a better midfield now than we have ever had with Allen in. It’s very strange how people want him back. He’s shown he cannot play in midfield for us without it affecting the team. And if you look at what he does well objectively a wing back in a 532 suits him down to the ground. He can’t play in a midfield 2 and if there’s 3 in midfield then 1 has to be Cousins, 1 has to be Powell that leaves Clucas or Allen and Clucas is so much better. Allen was playing very well for us just before his injury and although we've done well we haven't been back to that level since. O'Neill rates him - he'll be back in midfield as soon as he's match fit.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 20, 2020 12:50:37 GMT
He’s been useless for us in midfield. We have a better midfield now than we have ever had with Allen in. It’s very strange how people want him back. He’s shown he cannot play in midfield for us without it affecting the team. And if you look at what he does well objectively a wing back in a 532 suits him down to the ground. He can’t play in a midfield 2 and if there’s 3 in midfield then 1 has to be Cousins, 1 has to be Powell that leaves Clucas or Allen and Clucas is so much better. Allen was playing very well for us just before his injury and although we've done well we haven't been back to that level since. O'Neill rates him - he'll be back in midfield as soon as he's match fit. Yes we have. That’s just nonsense. Tymon has come in and shown him how to keep position. He should be ashamed tbh.
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Post by thisisouryear on Dec 20, 2020 12:55:23 GMT
Allen may well look like a new player under MON, we are a different beast nowadays under MON's guidance.
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Post by fulagoals on Dec 20, 2020 12:57:40 GMT
Allen may well look like a new player under MON, we are a different beast nowadays under MON's guidance. He already did before his injury. Looked the quality player we all (well bar one person) know he is.
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Post by mickstupp on Dec 20, 2020 12:59:56 GMT
Looking forward to having him back, but it’s wrong to expect much from him to begin with. He’s recovering from a particularly bad injury. He’s not going to be fully up to speed for a couple of months yet.
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Post by thisisouryear on Dec 20, 2020 13:05:08 GMT
Allen may well look like a new player under MON, we are a different beast nowadays under MON's guidance. He already did before his injury. Looked the quality player we all (well bar one person) know he is. He will look even better now the whole squad has evolved. We have made huge strides since he last played. I just hope his injury doesn't impact him too much when he returns.
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Post by fulagoals on Dec 20, 2020 13:06:02 GMT
Looking forward to having him back, but it’s wrong to expect much from him to begin with. He’s recovering from a particular bad injury. He’s not going to be fully up to speed for a couple of months yet. Indeed you’re right Mick Although it is now almost 2 weeks since Joe participated in his first 11v11 practice game and following that game MON quoted that having watched Joes performance in that game and with all the scientific feedback then it was tempting to throw him straight into the following championship game. He said many managers would have done based on the evidence. So with that in mind I think we may be pleasantly surprised how quickly he gets back to full speed.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2020 13:19:52 GMT
I think a fit Joe Allen will make a massive difference in the second half of the season. His pressing and energy will help get us on the front foot and turn over possession higher up the field.
Does anyone have possession stats with and without Allen in the team?
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Post by gingerninja on Dec 20, 2020 13:39:23 GMT
Maybe if all goes well Monday, he could be considered for the Coventry game?.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Dec 20, 2020 15:27:58 GMT
Allen was playing very well for us just before his injury and although we've done well we haven't been back to that level since. O'Neill rates him - he'll be back in midfield as soon as he's match fit. Yes we have. That’s just nonsense. Tymon has come in and shown him how to keep position. He should be ashamed tbh. Given his influence on play the position Tymon has successfully maintained since playing in midfield is one that appears to exist somewhere outside the space time continuum.
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Post by chad on Dec 20, 2020 15:38:59 GMT
Maybe if all goes well Monday, he could be considered for the Coventry game?. Bench I’d think
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Dec 20, 2020 16:35:11 GMT
Despite how we’ve improved since Allen was injured it in no way reflects on the player himself. A fit Joe Allen is a massive asset. He’s one of the few top class players we have left so for me the sooner he’s back into consideration the better. My only worry is that the injury could be a terminal one. No point rushing him back, if it takes a few weeks then so be it as we’ve performed fine without him but I’ve no doubt he’ll improve the team if fully fit
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2020 19:02:51 GMT
I agree about Whitehead having a great game at right back but there’s not a hope in hell Joe Allen will be playing right back in a Michael O’Neill team in my opinion especially with his lack of height He is short but he’s also actually pretty good in the air, wins more headers than most others tbh. I just don’t think he can play in a midfield two and we’ve shown we can do better with others in. Cousins protects the back line better Clucas scores more Mikel is a much better passer Then there’s Allen. Allen brings a lot of energy and it can be infectious but it can also get you a lot of running around going nowhere. Mikel brings the whole team a structure they can evolve around. You may not notice it that much, because he appears to be doing next to nothing. But you notice it a lot when he's not in the team. The last few games he's been missing there's been a void of leadership within the team and a lack of direction. The football hasn't been great, as many have pointed to, without actually admitting why that was.
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Post by lordb on Dec 20, 2020 19:08:26 GMT
He is short but he’s also actually pretty good in the air, wins more headers than most others tbh. I just don’t think he can play in a midfield two and we’ve shown we can do better with others in. Cousins protects the back line better Clucas scores more Mikel is a much better passer Then there’s Allen. Allen brings a lot of energy and it can be infectious but it can also get you a lot of running around going nowhere. Mikel brings the whole team a structure they can evolve around. You may not notice it that much, because he appears to be doing next to nothing. But you notice it a lot when he's not in the team. The last few games he's been missing there's been a void of leadership within the team and a lack of direction. The football hasn't been great, as many have pointed to, without actually admitting why that was. I want to see Allen and Mikel in the same midfield
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Post by fulagoals on Dec 20, 2020 19:40:20 GMT
Allen brings a lot of energy and it can be infectious but it can also get you a lot of running around going nowhere. Mikel brings the whole team a structure they can evolve around. You may not notice it that much, because he appears to be doing next to nothing. But you notice it a lot when he's not in the team. The last few games he's been missing there's been a void of leadership within the team and a lack of direction. The football hasn't been great, as many have pointed to, without actually admitting why that was. I want to see Allen and Mikel in the same midfield You will do.👍
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Post by onionman on Dec 20, 2020 20:33:54 GMT
Despite how we’ve improved since Allen was injured it in no way reflects on the player himself. A fit Joe Allen is a massive asset. He’s one of the few top class players we have left so for me the sooner he’s back into consideration the better. My only worry is that the injury could be a terminal one. No point rushing him back, if it takes a few weeks then so be it as we’ve performed fine without him but I’ve no doubt he’ll improve the team if fully fit Genuinely hope it’s not terminal.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Dec 20, 2020 20:43:18 GMT
Despite how we’ve improved since Allen was injured it in no way reflects on the player himself. A fit Joe Allen is a massive asset. He’s one of the few top class players we have left so for me the sooner he’s back into consideration the better. My only worry is that the injury could be a terminal one. No point rushing him back, if it takes a few weeks then so be it as we’ve performed fine without him but I’ve no doubt he’ll improve the team if fully fit Genuinely hope it’s not terminal. You know what I mean!😉
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Post by boskampsflaps on Dec 20, 2020 21:47:04 GMT
Has Allen ever played RB? I doubt it. But he can’t play in midfield for us so why not? The side line should help him keep position. Imagine Allen as a fullback
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Post by boskampsflaps on Dec 20, 2020 21:50:27 GMT
He’s been useless for us in midfield. We have a better midfield now than we have ever had with Allen in. It’s very strange how people want him back. He’s shown he cannot play in midfield for us without it affecting the team. And if you look at what he does well objectively a wing back in a 532 suits him down to the ground. He can’t play in a midfield 2 and if there’s 3 in midfield then 1 has to be Cousins, 1 has to be Powell that leaves Clucas or Allen and Clucas is so much better. Allen was playing very well for us just before his injury and although we've done well we haven't been back to that level since. O'Neill rates him - he'll be back in midfield as soon as he's match fit. Yes we have, we were still at that level last season after his injury and we're still not missing him now. And I'm sure he will, to the detriment of the team.
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