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Post by kerouac on Sept 20, 2020 18:10:37 GMT
Soon I hope...we desperately need him buzzing around and being a pain in the arse.What’s the latest?
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Sept 20, 2020 18:12:16 GMT
More Bayernoatcake bait! Give the man a break🤣
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Sept 20, 2020 18:12:52 GMT
Soon I hope...we desperately need him buzzing around and being a pain in the arse.What’s the latest? ASAP |
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Post by boskampsflaps on Sept 20, 2020 18:14:53 GMT
Won't make a difference.
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Post by sheds1862 on Sept 20, 2020 18:23:33 GMT
If the likes of Mikel and Fletcher are considered unfit it's going to take ages for Allen to get up to speed
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Post by kerouac on Sept 20, 2020 18:27:59 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 20, 2020 18:35:22 GMT
He’d replace Powell.
Not what we need.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Sept 20, 2020 18:36:49 GMT
A few things but the main one being this formation is falling down due to lack of creativity and he won't particually add any, the lack of proper wing backs is the problem. He also doesn't fit anywhere in pretty much any formation. |
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Post by kerouac on Sept 20, 2020 18:56:25 GMT
I’d leave Powell in and drop Clucas....it’s all hypothetical at the minute anyway but I don’t see enough from Clucas and he goes missing far too much for my liking although I do rate him.
Powell has the creativity and if Mikel can get into shape he will contribute a bit of that too.Allen has his faults but he’s a fucking good engine for us and I always think we play way better with him involved.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Sept 20, 2020 18:58:24 GMT
I’d leave Powell in and drop Clucas....it’s all hypothetical at the minute anyway but I don’t see enough from Clucas and he goes missing far too much for my liking although I do rate him. Powell has the creativity and if Mikel can get into shape he will contribute a bit of that too.Allen has his faults but he’s a fucking good engine for us and I always think we play way better with him involved. You can't drop a midfielder that scores as many as he has, they just need a formation that works for them not the shit we're seeing now. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 20, 2020 19:00:57 GMT
I’d leave Powell in and drop Clucas....it’s all hypothetical at the minute anyway but I don’t see enough from Clucas and he goes missing far too much for my liking although I do rate him. Powell has the creativity and if Mikel can get into shape he will contribute a bit of that too.Allen has his faults but he’s a fucking good engine for us and I always think we play way better with him involved. Do you honestly think that’s what MON would do though? And Clucas offers way more going forward than Allen, more in terms of shape too. |
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Post by bgreen13 on Sept 20, 2020 19:01:47 GMT
Soon hopefully
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Post by cousindupree on Sept 20, 2020 19:04:44 GMT
We have no one who can take the game by the scruff of the neck and get us on the front foot. I like both Powell and Clucas but neither will dominate a midfield and when they are not on their game the opposition tends to run the midfield...Allen's return might give both Clucas and Powell a kick up the arse because at the moment they know they are first names on the team sheet and way ahead of the other midfield contenders Oakley-Boothe and Thompson.
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Post by Fred Merger on Sept 20, 2020 19:17:09 GMT
At least Allen gives energy,there was no energy in that performance today.players just ambling about and going through the motions. That first half performance from Vokes was nothing short of appalling.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 20, 2020 19:24:18 GMT
At least Allen gives energy,there was no energy in that performance today.players just ambling about and going through the motions. That first half performance from Vokes was nothing short of appalling. Wasn’t it just a performance of a side that aren’t suited to the formation it was playing? |
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Post by Fred Merger on Sept 20, 2020 19:40:05 GMT
At least Allen gives energy,there was no energy in that performance today.players just ambling about and going through the played motions. That first half performance from Vokes was nothing short of appalling. Wasn’t it just a performance of a side that aren’t suited to the formation it was playing? I don't think so. It is a formation that helped us stay up at the end of last season. Only today our midfield and forwards didn't show anywhere near enough to cause Bristol any problems. A really poor game from Powell and Clucas and even worse from Vokes. Brown aside, we offered absolutely nothing going forward and played directly into the oppositions hands. I know you don't like Joe Allen but I think that his work rate would have made a difference today. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 20, 2020 19:49:21 GMT
Wasn’t it just a performance of a side that aren’t suited to the formation it was playing? I don't think so. It is a formation that helped us stay up at the end of last season. Only today our midfield and forwards didn't show anywhere near enough to cause Bristol any problems. A really poor game from Powell and Clucas and even worse from Vokes. Brown aside, we offered absolutely nothing going forward and played directly into the oppositions hands. I know you don't like Joe Allen but I think that his work rate would have made a difference today. It was only any good against Brentford though and even then we got a bit lucky with some poor finishing. Against Brizzle and Forest we were all over the shop defensively and it wasn’t until the subs against Forest that the attack worked. What were they meant to do? Powell was too deep. The ball was coming from the back too slow. We generally bypassed them and why play Vokes anyway? We know he’s garbage. The work rate was fine today, the issues were all around bad negative tactics and playing at least 6 players in a formation that doesn’t suit them. |
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Post by Fred Merger on Sept 20, 2020 19:57:04 GMT
I certainly agree that it didn't suit Powell or Mikel as you are actually playing 6 at the back. Fox is obviously not a wing back and starting with that formation at home gives the initiative to the opposition which they took and may I say managed the game exceptionally well. We can't afford to allow other sides onto us like that at home it was embarrassing. We didn't trouble their goalkeeper at all.
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Post by AlbertTatlock on Sept 20, 2020 20:16:18 GMT
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Post by Gods on Sept 20, 2020 20:19:54 GMT
We must be looking at the other side of Xmas for a full return for Joe I would imagine.
I've never known anyone fully recover from a torn Achilles tendon in less than 9 months whatever they say.
Even when he is back in full contact training he's going to effectively need at least a full pre-season one would imagine.
The moment he returns can't come soon enough for me.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2020 22:58:44 GMT
We must be looking at the other side of Xmas for a full return for Joe I would imagine. I've never known anyone fully recover from a torn Achilles tendon in less than 9 months whatever they say. Even when he is back in full contact training he's going to effectively need at least a full pre-season one would imagine. The moment he returns can't come soon enough for me. Problem is at his age he may then pick up other injuries. Deja vu Shawcross and many before him. |
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Post by meirparkpotter on Sept 21, 2020 0:34:20 GMT
I’d leave Powell in and drop Clucas....it’s all hypothetical at the minute anyway but I don’t see enough from Clucas and he goes missing far too much for my liking although I do rate him. Powell has the creativity and if Mikel can get into shape he will contribute a bit of that too.Allen has his faults but he’s a fucking good engine for us and I always think we play way better with him involved. Drop our top scorer from last season, (highest scoring midfielder since Kavanagh might I add) and our current stand-in Captain?... R u ok m8? |
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Post by kerouac on Sept 21, 2020 9:19:35 GMT
I’d leave Powell in and drop Clucas....it’s all hypothetical at the minute anyway but I don’t see enough from Clucas and he goes missing far too much for my liking although I do rate him. Powell has the creativity and if Mikel can get into shape he will contribute a bit of that too.Allen has his faults but he’s a fucking good engine for us and I always think we play way better with him involved. Drop our top scorer from last season, (highest scoring midfielder since Kavanagh might I add) and our current stand-in Captain?... R u ok m8? I’m fine thanks. This is a different season with a few different players,I’d rather swap the 8 goals for a 100% ‘er who’d hopefully create more for the likes of Campbell,Fletcher and Brown etc. |
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Post by boskampsflaps on Sept 21, 2020 9:24:44 GMT
Drop our top scorer from last season, (highest scoring midfielder since Kavanagh might I add) and our current stand-in Captain?... R u ok m8? I’m fine thanks. This is a different season with a few different players,I’d rather swap the 8 goals for a 100% ‘er who’d hopefully create more for the likes of Campbell,Fletcher and Brown etc. So not Allen then, who did you have in mind? |
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Post by kerouac on Sept 21, 2020 9:50:06 GMT
I’m fine thanks. This is a different season with a few different players,I’d rather swap the 8 goals for a 100% ‘er who’d hopefully create more for the likes of Campbell,Fletcher and Brown etc. So not Allen then, who did you have in mind? Each to his own. |
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Post by stokeyank on Sept 21, 2020 20:27:36 GMT
We must be looking at the other side of Xmas for a full return for Joe I would imagine. I've never known anyone fully recover from a torn Achilles tendon in less than 9 months whatever they say. Even when he is back in full contact training he's going to effectively need at least a full pre-season one would imagine. The moment he returns can't come soon enough for me. Personally did it in 6, but each is different. Depends on how the surgery went and where the tear occurred. Before anyone says it, no I know I am not a professional footballer but I was training for athletics competition and had my strength and speed back in that time from. |
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Post by Gods on Sept 21, 2020 20:34:23 GMT
We must be looking at the other side of Xmas for a full return for Joe I would imagine. I've never known anyone fully recover from a torn Achilles tendon in less than 9 months whatever they say. Even when he is back in full contact training he's going to effectively need at least a full pre-season one would imagine. The moment he returns can't come soon enough for me. Personally did it in 6, but each is different. Depends on how the surgery went and where the tear occurred. Before anyone says it, no I know I am not a professional footballer but I was training for athletics competition and had my strength and speed back in that time from. That's a good effort. Most people I know who have done it are squash players , it is the archetypal squash injury. |
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Post by murphthesurf on Sept 22, 2020 11:07:55 GMT
Every time I see a headline like that I still automatically think they're referring to Tony Allen.  |
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Post by kustokie on Sept 22, 2020 13:23:39 GMT
I’d leave Powell in and drop Clucas....it’s all hypothetical at the minute anyway but I don’t see enough from Clucas and he goes missing far too much for my liking although I do rate him. Powell has the creativity and if Mikel can get into shape he will contribute a bit of that too.Allen has his faults but he’s a fucking good engine for us and I always think we play way better with him involved. Clucas is not living up to expectations because he is not being played in a position where he gets goal-scoring opportunities, which is absolute madness because he was our top scorer last season. There’s no room for Powell, Clucas and Mikkel on the pitch at the same time, so one has to be dropped. I’d drop Powell because he’s great on his day but those days have been few and far between so far this season. Also, he’s not very durable - he gets the shit kicked out of every game. But that’s expected in this league, he goes down easily, rolls around for 10 minutes and the next thing you know it he’s running around like nothing happened. That may be ok In Serie A but this is the championship where players get knocked for six but have to just get up and get on with it. |
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Sept 22, 2020 13:38:04 GMT
So not Allen then, who did you have in mind? Each to his own.
Allen provided 2 assists last season (and 4 goals).
Clucas provided 4 assists last season (and 11 goals).
Season before....both provided 4 assists (and that was with Clucas playing 20 games fewer than Allen)
If you're looking at who provides more assists, goals, creativity or even just discipline within the team (i.e. sticking to your job and your man), then Allen's not even in the running.
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